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treepatrol
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posted 24 February 2005 10:52     Click Here to See the Profile for treepatrol   Click Here to Email treepatrol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guy/gal has a great site.

Life phases and morphology of spirochetes
Morphology Simplified- The words "cyst" and "bleb" are interchangeable in regards to lyme spirochetes.


Same thing. In some of the older literature in particular, cysts are also called "granular" forms. Same thing. People in the Marshal Protocol camp also tend to call them "granular" forms. All this tends to confuse everyone, not just you and I.


Although the terms "egg" and "larvae" are not used in describing bacteria, these commonly used biology terms are appropriate.


These terms may not be correct here to some microbiologists but thinking of them is useful in understanding what the heck these studies are talking about.


Young spirochetes have been observed and documented as emerging from cyst forms. I call the cyst forms "eggs" when describing them to someone. You can call cyst forms whatever you like, but that's what at least some of them are.


Reproductive forms serving the function of eggs. Eggs! Yep, that's right. Eggs. ""L" form variants" or "Young Spirochetes" have been observed and documented emerging from cyst forms.


You can see a great family picture of well formed little spirochete babies safe and snug inside their cozy transparent egg on the homepage of this website, along with a picture of a parent carrying it's slimey little egg cases around.


I wouldn't go so far as to use the term "Larvae" for "L" forms though. They might not be very different from the adults. I don't think anyone knows yet.

Also I wonder if it is possible if some of the cysts serve the function of hibernation-like chambers for adults. I haven't seen any direct observational statements that spell that out specifically, that adults not hatchlings sometimes emerge from the eggs.


There are references to "adult spiral forms" emerging, but it's not clear to me at least, that the person observing this is differentiating "L" forms from adult Spiral forms. Some observers see them as the same.


Or maybe the adults don't use cyst forms to hibernate in, maybe when adults die off the eggs all just delay "hatching" until conditions are right and it's as simple as that. I hope so.

Morphology, or changing form, is not unusual in nature. Think of the life stages of butterflies or frogs. The lyme bacteria (a spirochete bacteria) has a simpler life cycle than either of those; Cyst (egg) to "L" form (just emerged or "hatched"), then to Spiral form (adult).


Not too complex. For an example of real complexity, do a google for the life cycle of Babesia!
B.b. bacteria also "exchange genetic material". In other words- they mate. Don't ask me how- I've never watched it myself. Are they male and female or hermaphrodites? I don't know.

I don't know if anyone knows. But they don't just reproduce by splitting in two. Nope, they mate and lay all their eggs in you, the little buggers

GreatSite


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James H
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posted 24 February 2005 12:05     Click Here to See the Profile for James H   Click Here to Email James H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have photos of what I believe to be some of the same forms as those on the website.

Ordinary people without a degree in biology can go microbe hunting and take some really cool pictures. Some people do bird watching, so why not microbe hunting?

Desperate Lymies kicked around a little by a medical system gone awry can be very motivated, resourceful people!

I have been sharing the most interesting photos with our LLMD, who identified a couple of them as examples of the "L" form, and showed me a reference photo of the same thing.

Last week I found a textbook perfect spirochette on a stained smear of a drop of blood. ...As well as a raging infection of what looks like Babesia. It was bad enough that it jumped right out at you at first glance through the microscope, yet she had just had a bunch of lab work done, and everything was 'normal'.

The blood belonged to a friend of ours unfortunately. We are sad for her for having to deal with this, but at the same time she is fortunate to be able to procede directly to a Dr. that will help her, instead of enduring years of misdiagnosis while the damage to her health continues.

Keep in mind amatuer microbe photos have ABSOLUTELY NO diagnostic weight with the medical community. Show them to your average Dr. and he will shrink back like a salted slug. They just don't see things at the cellular level in their practices anymore, so they don't know what to look for, and their egos are threatened. Any microbiology is ordered from a lab now, and all the physician sees are the printed words "POSITIVE" or "NEGATIVE".

Even an interested LLMD cannot use them to support an 'official' diagnosis because they are not from a certified source. They are just clues to help you to know what type of help to seek. Such clues might help an LLMD zero in on the problems more quickly, but the official diagnosis must still be documented in the accepted manner.

I'm just mentioning this to encourage interest in the science. Those so inclined will learn alot while thay are getting better. I sure have.

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treepatrol
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posted 24 February 2005 12:57     Click Here to See the Profile for treepatrol   Click Here to Email treepatrol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you email me those photos?

Thanks

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James H
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posted 24 February 2005 14:07     Click Here to See the Profile for James H   Click Here to Email James H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check your inbox.

By the way, finding a Bb spirochette in a regular blood smear is very unexpected. I either got real lucky, or else the poor individual has a really high load of 'keets.

Finding something like that at least justifies a trip to the appropriate Dr., who must take it from there.

I found a couple earlier in skin scraped from an active EM rash (mine), but never in blood.

My wife is a (retired) nurse, and since we were officially diagnosed she is always educating her friends. Once in awhile she brings something home that she wants to look at. We aren't running a lab.

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