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docdave130
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posted 26 April 2005 08:26     Click Here to See the Profile for docdave130   Click Here to Email docdave130     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just had a bout of oral yeast real bad,
first diflucan, then vped and oral miconazole nothing really helped on the tongue kept getting grosser and grosser.
so what i did every day just a little bit is actually shaved my tongue. the tongue's papilli get yeast and get real long.
so i first tried a razor, not a good idea, nonononono.
but then i tried a very sharp knife and scaped the tongue daily.
slowly but shorely the papilla got smaller and the scrapping took the yeast off.took about a week 2-3 times a day. you can probably use a tongue scaper from the pharmacy but a knife works fine if your careful. don't scrape till it bleeds just take off the yellow gunk little by little, it won't come off all at once.
you also have to supplement with oral troches of micronozole which tases ok but better than the yeast.also continue the diflucan or vtep.
also don't have oral sex, or kiss, or touch any part of your partners body with your tongue, gave her vaginal yeast and she does not have lyme.boy was she pissed!!!!!!!
Be careful and not agressive or you can do damage. but it does work, i'm proof had it for over a month, went away in 3 days with this.
also brush tongue with listerine and or toothpaste also helps speeden the process

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treepatrol
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posted 26 April 2005 08:41     Click Here to See the Profile for treepatrol   Click Here to Email treepatrol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. I used acidophilis the kind in big capsuls that are easily taken apart. I would take one or 2 apart and put in my mouth and let the sandy stuff melt then swallow after swishing for 3or4mins I repeated this every hour for a couple of days then once a day for a while.


2.Also try swishing hydogen peroxide in mouth and rinse well (((DO NOT swallow IT!!)))

And dont do this step2. within at least a hour of the 1.acidophilis swish.

I had it real bad twice tounge even started to split sore eeuuuweee. Teeth even turned greenish yuk!!!

The first step seemed to work the best and dont be afraid to take extra acidophilis.

PS NO SUGAR OR REGULAR POP

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Lymetoo
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posted 26 April 2005 11:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A good diet helps too!

Mycelex lozenges work great for oral thrush.

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posted 26 April 2005 13:02     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie   Click Here to Email charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put some tea tree oil on your finger and rub it on your tongue and around in your mouth. It tastes awful and will make you spit a lot for a few minutes but it clears the yeast right up.

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posted 26 April 2005 13:30     Click Here to See the Profile for arg82   Click Here to Email arg82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Mycelex lozenges work great for oral thrush.

I use mycelex troches when I feel my tongue starting to get sore and it nips it in the bud.

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Foggy
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posted 26 April 2005 16:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Foggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nystatin Swish & swallow was the only thing that took the fuzz off my tounge. Mycelex Trouches & Diflucan didn't do it for me.

I swish with Acidophillus and diluted Perox as well. Someone posted something about diluted bleach but I passed on that one.

Talk to your LLMD for suggestions.

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janet thomas
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posted 26 April 2005 17:47     Click Here to See the Profile for janet thomas   Click Here to Email janet thomas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My LLMD told me drink LOTS of water.

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beachcomber
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posted 27 April 2005 07:39     Click Here to See the Profile for beachcomber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nystatin swish and swollow works for me as well.

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treepatrol
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posted 27 April 2005 08:15     Click Here to See the Profile for treepatrol   Click Here to Email treepatrol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yo docdave130
Have you tried what I said or any other ones?????

Heres some more info.

Signs

The four clinical forms of oral candidiasis are:

Moniliasis or thrush -- a smooth creamy white or yellow coating on any oral surface (When the surface is wiped off, a red underlying tissue is revealed.);
Erythematous -- red, peeling patches, most commonly on the palate and tongue;
Hyperplastic (chronic) -- extra tissue that cannot readily be wiped off and may appear discolored because of staining caused by foods or tobacco;
Angular cheilitis -- red cracks at the corners of the mouth often covered by a pseudo membrane. Angular cheilitis can occur with other forms of candidiasis or appear separately. Angular chelitis from oral candidiasis has to be differentiated from similar cracks caused by vitamin B complex deficiency, dysmenorrhea, lip licking, loss of teeth or their wear, or sun exposure.



Symptoms

Oral candidiasis may cause burning or painful sensations but most often is asymptomatic. Other symptoms that may be yeast connected include a craving for sugar, alcohol, or bread; digestive problems; fatigue; depression; and muscle or joint pains.

Causes

Oral candidiasis is initiated along with decreased host defense by a variety of different drug therapies, systemic diseases, or conditions that result in changes in the oral cavity. At one time oral fungal infections were rare in the dental office until broad-spectrum antibiotics, glucocorticosteroid preparations, birth control pills, and tricyclic antidepressants were developed.

Broad-spectrum antibiotics increase susceptibility to oral candidal infections by killing the beneficial gastrointestinal bacterial flora that naturally inhibit Candida, thus disrupting the normal balance of organisms in the gut. The introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s to combat infectious diseases was one of the important developments in medical treatment. However, some bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics. We saw an example of a similar occurrence when there was widespread use of DDT in the United States and some insects became resistant. While I was assigned to microbiological germ warfare defense work for the United States Public Health Service, Center for Disease Control, researcher friends at our laboratory discovered how flies, through generations and mutations, were able to change DDT to the inactive form DDE, which the insects could harmlessly metabolize. Antibiotics also, indiscriminately or repeatedly taken, destroy especially the weaker bacteria as well as their target organisms in the body. With proper temperature and nutritional conditions, one bacterium can reproduce to over 16 million in 24 hours. In 20 drops, saliva can have as many as10 million bacteria, most of them harmless. Thus, when the normal balance of organisms in the mouth and gastrointestinal tract is disrupted, the Candida organism can overgrow and become invasive.
Glucocorticosteroid preparations appear to lower resistance to Candida by suppressing our immunity, both the non-specific inflammatory response and the T-lymphocyte response (our cell-mediated immunity).
Birth control pills have hormonal effects that can lower a woman’s resistance to overgrowth of Candida.
Tricyclic antidepressants are associated with reduced salivary flow, which can lead to oral candidiasis.



There are systemic diseases in which oral Candida infections are more prevalent. These include diabetes mellitus, hypothyroidism, hypoadrenalism, and Sjogren’s syndrome (reduced saliva).

Dietary folate or iron deficiencies as well as radiation of the head and neck region may also predispose to candidiasis development. Reports indicate that iron-deficient subjects with candidal infections have a decrease in lymphocytes, the cells in the blood that are involved in immunity. Other studies show that the immune response can be restored when iron levels are normalized.

Most of these predisposing conditions cause decreased salivary flow and/or decreased excretion of immunoglobulins in the saliva. The latter decrease lowers the efficiency of the B-lymphocyte immunologic defense mechanism that should help control Candida infections. In addition, Candida growth in saliva is enhanced and the adhesive property of the yeast to oral tissue is increased by a high carbohydrate diet.

I often see denture stomatitis, which is a chronic inflammatory condition under dentures or removable partials. The inflammation can be caused by irritation or from an allergic response to the acrylic denture base material or candidal infection. The relatively acidic and anaerobic environment under the denture is ideal for yeast growth. The denture or partial must be soaked in a nystatin solution during treatment. Deeper infections in tissue are signs that the yeast organism has become systemic and the patient should be referred to a medical specialist. A biopsy can determine if such a deep fungal infection is present.

Treatment

The oral signs that most commonly occur in my years of practice are heavily coated, discolored tongues or cracking at the corners of the lips. Vitamins and acidophilus are immediately prescribed plus a therapeutic diet and effective drug therapy, along with a diary taken of everything they eat or take in by mouth for five days.

Following are the drugs used in treatment:

Nystatin is an antifungal antibiotic made from another organism, Streptomyces noursei. It does not damage bacteria or viruses and is virtually non-toxic with negligible adverse reactions. It is most commonly used at the onset as it is effective both topically and orally. The yeast orgamism rarely develops resistance to nystatin. Trade names include Mycostatin®, Mycolog II®, and Nilstat®, in addition to generic preparations.
Amphotericin B (Fungizone®, Adria®, and Apothecon®) is a broad spectrum drug but exhibits toxicity and some side effects Therefore, it is used for the more invasive form of Candida. Blood tests should be used to monitor for liver damage. Creams and ointments, based on amphotericin B, are available for the corners of the mouth (angular cheilitis) with no signs of systemic toxicity.
Ketoconazole preparations are antifungals that cause changes in the fungus cell wall and bind with the organisms. These are Mycelex®, Monistat®, and Nizoral®.
Candicidin (Candeptin®) is an antifungal antibiotic made from another streptomycin strain.
Triazoles (Diflucan® and Sporanox®) act similarly to ketoconazole but are less disruptive to the patient and are rapidly absorbed. However, they are more costly.




Other remedies include: grapefruit seed extract, capricin tea, homeopathic Candida silicea, artemisia, grape seed oil, and gentian. FOS (fructo-oligosaccharide) is an insoluble fiber that acts as a food source for the healthful bifidus bacteria in the intestine. These bacteria ferment this carbohydrate resulting in fatty acids that are used for the intestinal epithelial cells, which enhance water and mineral absorption.

A prescribed therapeutic diet is necessary during treatment to prevent the invasive re-growth of the yeast organism. The diet should include avoiding alcohol, sugar, white flour, and refined or processed carbohydrates. In addition, in order to provide optimal treatment results, fruit and milk, as well as any foods that have been dried, fermented, or that contain yeasts or molds, must be excluded. Also, sterilizing your tooth brush in household hydrogen peroxide or 70 percent alcohol for a few minutes will prevent its re-contamination of the mouth with organisms that survive on the brush.

Taking lacto bacillus acidophilus is safe and inexpensive. It in itself is not a cure but can help provide a healthier and better recovery from a yeast infection. Each use of antibiotics can alter the balance of bacteria. A diet adequate in important nutrients aids this balance for health.

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posted 27 April 2005 22:33     Click Here to See the Profile for pab   Click Here to Email pab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've used grapefruit seed extract and it seems to work.

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