posted 14 May 2005 21:54               

Bite was Sat (today) at noon.

Thanks!!

Bryan

posted 14 May 2005 23:52               

Treat immediately, Meanwhile have tick tested for everything.
IMHO this is one case that can be prevented if that tick is
infected. Having this knowledge and being able to act on it
is soooooooo rare!!!

My best and good luck to your friend.

My two cents.......lightfoot

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lightfoot0102@msn.com

posted 31 May 2005 15:31               

This is the second time that you have come begging to Lymenet for help on abx for a friend. That makes it obvious that you don't believe that Rife works.

I looks like you think that it is okay to peddle it to the peasants here but when a friend is involved your reaction is to get them on something effective, and your only questions are which abx and how soon. Did you look in your "book"?

Your friend's tick was attached for only 30 min. Good checking on her part and if she removed it properly there's a good probability that she may not have gotten Lyme from it.

If you really believe in Rife you have missed a great sales opportunity.

If you had gotten your friend on Rife right away and if she did not develop Lyme disease you could "spin" the facts to say that Rife was "proven" to be prophylactic against Lyme.

Then everyone who steps outdoors would need to have a Rife on hand just in case of a tick bite.

Just think of all the profit you missed from the sale of your book and the kick-backs from GB4000.

For those interested in why Rife never did work, never will work, can't possibly work see Remedyfind.

Joe

posted 31 May 2005 16:57               

My book says multiple times on multiple pages that rife therapy is ONLY an experimental treatment which often works AFTER ANTIBIOTICS FAIL. The title of my book begins with WHEN ANTIBIOTICS FAIL.

Additionally, dozens of forum members on Lymenet and elsewhere have also attested to the fact that rife has helped them (there are several recent Lymenet threads even today). I am not the only one. Have you missed all the other posts explaining how rife has helped people? Why should those people be discredited?

If I was newly infected with Lyme Disease, even knowing what I know now, you bet I would take antibiotics. But if antibiotics failed (as they did with me), you bet I would use rife machines.

I have had enough positive feedback about my book from hundreds of people (including doctors and engineers) that I have become confident that the book is a great asset to the Lyme Disease community.

Yet, despite this positive feedback, occasionally I still get personally attacked, irrationally criticized, and often have personal / emotional assaults railed at me. Mostly the negative comments are laced with irrational emotion and personal agendas, as well as innuendo and other fallacies.

So, at this point I'm not really interested in having a heated, mean, and otherwise non-productive debate. I have better things to do.

If you still dont see why I am not interested in having a rational discussion with you, go ahead and re-read your last post...ask yourself - if someone addressed and spoke to YOU in that manner, would you want to participate in further communication?

Also, for your information, I have no financial association with any rife machine manufacturer.

Bryan

The Lyme Disease Book
http://www.lymebook.com

posted 31 May 2005 18:05            

You said..

"tell your friend that doxy @ 200 mg twice a day for four months for a new tick bite..."

Not to burst your balloon... but..

Might you have meant 4 WEEKS?

Just checking .. one Lyme brain to another.

You said..

"...is the minimal treatment and to go ahead with the treatment immediately while waiting the results from igenex lab."

I THINK you meant.. but correct me if I am wrong...

The tests will come back negative in the beginning.. but if the person is having symptoms several weeks later.. perhaps a Lyme test might be appropriate... and do use Igenex if at all possible.

??

I only ask because normally your posts are right on target... but my bet is today you are either herxing, tired, in a hurry.. or all of the above? If so, I wish you better days.

You said.. "i wish your friend well"

Always the sweetheart you are.

Now.. Mr. Ham...

Can we talk?

You said..

"My post above was ridiculing your hypocrisy but I guess you didn't 'get it'."

Are we herxing, oh Joe, or did you perhaps sit on a bug and get it stuck?

That isn't really a nice way to start the day.. ya think? Herxing or not...

You said.. "This is the second time that you have come begging to Lymenet for help on abx for a friend."

I, for one, welcome any one of our regular members coming here begging for help for a friend. That shows dedication and caring... which the world needs much more of... for sure.

And if I am right.. it is the third time he has come here looking for help for a friend... not the second.

You said.. "That makes it obvious that you don't believe that Rife works."

I use lotion when massaging my muscles that hurt from Lyme disease. With all due respect... that does not mean I think everyone who has a new tick bite should use lotion as a cure... not by any means.

You said... "I looks like you think that it is okay to peddle it to the peasants here .."

And from what I have seen.. most of the peasants here seem to appreciate it.

However... If you happen to feel Rife isn't what you would use.. please say so.. and try not to attack the person.

It would be appreciated by all. Thanks!

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If you get the choice to sit it out or dance...

posted 31 May 2005 18:20               

TC....personally, I would take abx for AT LEAST 6 wks with a new tick bite. If the keets replicate every 5-6 wks, then we'd better have abx in our system during that time.

posted 31 May 2005 19:05               

It never promises me a cure but I have talked to enough people to make an informed decision and I am currently trying RIFE now.

Two sessions is not enough to make a claim but I feel like I'm heading in the right direction. Time will tell.

BTW, when I asked, I was referred to a list of machines by a number of different makers.

Just my experience!

posted 31 May 2005 19:52               

I think it's clearly a testiment to Bryan's character that he would help a friend out and also know enough of the full spectrum of the disease as to what is the best coarse of action immedialtely after a known tick attatchment.

Makes me think there's lots more goodies in his book with a well rounded overview of treatment modalities, ..makes me think I'll order that book

As for your friend with the attachment, I hope she got on abx, and I agree six weeks is safeest and watching for symptoms (and all other adjunctives to help tolerate the abx during and after)..so they don't leave her with other problems.

Peace out,
Mo

posted 31 May 2005 20:44               

Nay-sayers === say it isn't proven they were Bb.

I say--- I don' wan' ANY spirochetes in my body.

I would start on doxy 400 mg a day and stay on it long after the tick test came back negative.

If the tick test came back positive--- well, how high can you count?

But, then that's just what I'D do---- not advising anyone else to do that.

(BTW---an llmd that got bitten, started antibiotics a few minutes after a tick bite. Tell ya something?)

posted 31 May 2005 21:24               

The tick does NOT have to be sent to Igenex which will take too long. Any competent lab can check a tick for lyme (not so for humans)and the results would be much faster.

God speed. Hiker

P.S. Joe, do you have Lyme? Have antibiotics totally cured you? If they have I want to know the magic combination of antibiotics!

[This message has been edited by hiker53 (edited 31 May 2005).]

posted 04 June 2005 22:43            

I went to the web site you demonstrated. What type of RIFE did you use, anyway. I've been using an EMEM5A. It has a plasma tube. It is certainly doing something to me. I herxed with it worse than my Doxy, which was pretty awful too. The herx with the Rife hit the same symptoms as the Doxy - but worse, and created some other herxes that Doxy didn't, such as horrible back pain and spasms. I quit the Doxy, and I'm going to try a different antibiotic. I won't Rife again until after I give the Diflucan a 50 days trial (unless my stomach can't hack it either!). If I am one of the unlucky ones that can't tolerate antibiotics, then I have my Rife to fall back on. I even reacted to freq's for liver support, adrenals, detox, lymph, etc. I can't use the Rife at all while on Antibiotics - the amplified Herx will kill me. The day before yesterday, I used just one small dose of HOMOZON. It is a powdered Magnesium with oxygen attached or something. After mixing 1/2 teaspoon in 6 ounces of water and drinking, you must follow with some acid, such as 1/2 lemon juice diluted in water. I had a horrible herx the following day. Completely different symptoms than Doxy and Rife. My left ear kept popping and plugging up and ringing. Then it plugged up and stayed plugged up. I felt more exhausted than usual. I fell asleep and had horrible nightmares about trying to speak and couldn't make any sound. Voice box wouldn't work and then jaw wouldn't work right. Every time I woke up and went back to sleep - the same dream. When I finally got up, my mother came over and while we were talking, suddenly my voice began to crack and it sounded like I had a bad cold or the beginning of Laryngitis. A couple of hours after she left, my ear unplugged and my voice returned to normal. I have never had this type of herx before. I tried to take Magnesium Oxide in latter part of January and had a horrible herx. I tried Whey the next week, and it just about killed me. It was by far the worse herx I've had. It seems like everything good for me makes me herx. I sometimes think the critters are so smart - they make this happen so I won't take it anymore! The Hulda Clark zapper helps my joint and muscle pain - but it only gets the critters in the blood. It also must help hypercoagulation - because I've read in numerous places that this is what causes the FMS joint and muscle pain. The HC causes oxygen deprivation to the hurting areas because the red blood cells are too huge to get thru tiny vessels. I did use a couple of pain freq's with my Rife, and they helped my foot pain and FMS-type pain, but not my back pain and spasms and stomach pain, but these were herxes. Even soaking in a hot tub will cause me to herx. There was an entire family in the Northwest that cured their Lyme with a Doug Coil Rife Device AFTER antibiotics had not cured them.

Blymie

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Originally posted by Joe Ham:
Bryan,
My post above was ridiculing your hypocrisy but I guess you didn't 'get it'.

This is the second time that you have come begging to Lymenet for help on abx for a friend. That makes it obvious that you don't believe that Rife works.

I looks like you think that it is okay to peddle it to the peasants here but when a friend is involved your reaction is to get them on something effective, and your only questions are which abx and how soon. Did you look in your "book"?

Your friend's tick was attached for only 30 min. Good checking on her part and if she removed it properly there's a good probability that she may not have gotten Lyme from it.

If you really [b]believe in Rife you have missed a great sales opportunity.

If you had gotten your friend on Rife right away and if she did not develop Lyme disease you could "spin" the facts to say that Rife was "proven" to be prophylactic against Lyme.

Then everyone who steps outdoors would need to have a Rife on hand just in case of a tick bite.

Just think of all the profit you missed from the sale of your book and the kick-backs from GB4000.

For those interested in why Rife never did work, never will work, can't possibly work see Remedyfind.

Joe

[This message has been edited by Joe Ham (edited 31 May 2005).][/B]

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posted 05 June 2005 03:43               

We all have to remember Lyme makes us really crazy at times. It is a nuro toxin.

Notice of a bite or notice of symptoms.

A bite is easier noticed because you have the bug at the time to pull off.

Flu like symptoms could be for a variety of things.

A bug you pulled off imbedded in your skin (abx right now to get started on abx) or noticed them crawling your skin, or in your clothes....yes you should start looking for symptons and as soon as flu like symptons start, start abx if not before hand.

Sometimes waiting for the symptoms can mean too late or longer to get better. Everyones immunne system is different. Also depending on age.

Flu like symptoms for many are not a big deal. Especially if no bug bite has been notice, they are not outdoors people, no animals in the house such as a dog or cat....so people think it is just a flu like symptom possibly passed around at work or at their childrens school or childcare.

They don't think about misquitoes, as a lyme carrier in the summer months. Or flies, or mites or fleas.

Thing is, when flu like symtoms last for more than a week or two something is very wrong.

At the onset of a tick bite, get abx asap and if it were me. 30 days at least of abx with co-infection live blood viewing asap.

Yes Brian. Knowing how this effect's each and everyone of us differently.... it is a good idea to ask what to do at the onset......

Brian, if you and I knew what to do at the beginning we would not have had to figure out how to save our lives in the end would we?

Joe Ham, please be more realistic of how the rest of us got to where we are now with our health before you blast someone for asking a simple question for a friend.

If we had all the answers ahead of time we would have never sought Rife or other means. These were last minute or last sought out efforts to become well when nothing else worked.

We are not claiming to be Einstein, we just hope to help anyone in need that maybe has not found help in their own quest.

Kat

Kat

posted 05 June 2005 09:01               

I'm sorry about your friend. Mine waited and no matter what I said, she still waited. Not long, 12 days, but with known tick, huge rash, flu... she's finally on treatment and scared as heck.

Even if your friend is on vacation, she can find some kind of clinic - it could mean her health and we don't want to gamble with that knowing what we know.

My best to you and yours,
StinkBug

posted 05 June 2005 11:24               

Possibly, if you have lyme disease, what you need, instead of antibiotics, is an exorcism.

posted 05 June 2005 17:05               

It is about the inability of an adult to communicate in a kind, mature manner.

Remember the bees, there is more going on here than we know.

Continue to give your energy to matters that are significant.

Peace,

BJG

posted 07 June 2005 00:58               

Wish I could help with your friend there but I don't have any good advice.

I'm posting to applaud your reserve in dealing with the a$$hole Ham.

This is the first day back on Medical for me since I got back from Alaska and what do I see???

Crap from people like Ham.

My congrats to those who stood up for you.

I don't know much about rife but I do like to make decisions for myself and to know what options are out there.

I use an alternative method along with my antibiotics which if I posted I'm sure a$$holes like Ham would attack.

Well, to each his own........