lymetwister
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A friend has come to my home and help me with my kids. She has many symptoms of Lyme, so we did a test with my Rife machine.
She appears to have herxed pretty hard from Lyme, Babs, and Bart frequencies and appears to be coming out of the herx now.
Symptoms pre Rife:
Told she was bipolar, yet only see Manic like symtpoms and she reports No Depression ever.
Hot and cold spells, like 5 min. periods of sweating profusely followed by chills mult. x during the day.
Headaches/joint pain many mos. now.
Motion sickness and Anxiety
Post Rife: Exacerbation of above, so bad, that she went to the ER as she was having terrible Air-hunger.
So the picture below was taken of her back last night as I noticed a small area at the base of her back. This rash has come and gone now 3 times over the last 3 days. I think it's Bart, but wanted your guys opinions.
She will seeing my LLMD in about a week for testing, but I thing this pretty much sums it up and the need for immediate treatment.
Appreciate your thoughts...
Gary
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Keebler
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- As long as she has ruled out other possibilities (a new shirt with textile chemicals, new laundry products, new personal care products, scratching, etc.) . . . then I would strongly suspect bartonella. Sure looks like it.
Together with the symptoms she experiences (and that the rash is a reaction to rife - it was not there before), sure sounds highly likely.
There are so many strains of bart that tests may not be accurate. I hope she has a good LLMD to consult. Good thing she has the photos. -
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Could it just be stretch marks? I have many of those same marks and am overweight. I've got no idea and am not trying to make any rude comments of course. I'm just looking at all possibilities before jumping to a conclusion.
Her reaction to rife seems suspicious though.
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Good point. could be bartonella or stretch marks. best to see a doctor trained in lyme.
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"This rash has come and gone now 3 times over the last 3 days."
Well, I know from experience that run of the mill stretch marks don't come and go. I have plenty of them and I wish they'd just go...permanently.
So don't know what to make of this. But seems like a very good idea for your friend to see the LLMD.
The anxiety could be bart or lyme or who knows? The sweating/chills could be babesia or lyme but again who knows? Headaches and joint pains could be anything. She just really needs a full workup. You are a good friend.
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Good point and them coming and going AlanaSuzanne. You're right.
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Not to derail your topic, but I have a question related to this type of rash/marking.
I used to think I had stretch marks too. It was hard to believe, because I'm 6'0 tall and never got over 200lbs, but I was also about 16 when a developed and a little heavy set for that age.
I having similar marks on the right side of my waist. I can't recall if they were ever bright red like that, but they are still there and they look more like scars.
Now, who has successfully treated Bart and the markings? I never quite knew if the markings returned to regular skin or if you'll have leftover scar-like marks from the rash.
[EDIT: Actually, now that I feel them, they are scars. they indented when I run my finger over them. About 3 lines longer than 4 inches.]
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Seekhelp, Like I tell my family and friends over and over again....I am always right My life would be soooo much easier if they all just accepted that.
Wolfed out...a lot of ppl have stretch marks. Be happy that you can't recall if they were ever red. If they look like scars and are whitish, maybe you shouldn't worry so much.
And about the Bart, absolutely get yourself evaluated and treated if need be. And if you have Bart you don't necessarily have to have stretch-marks or a rash. There are plenty of people out there with Bart who don't own a single stretch mark.
And stretch-marks, well anyone can get those and most of the time they aren't related to TBD.
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Alana, I should have been more clear. I'm positive for Bartonella. Whether the marks are Bart-induced.. that's the question.
But, what I was really looking for is... Who has had the Bartonella markings, and treated Bart... did the marks go away, or did they leave a scar?
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If you're pos for Bart, you most definitely need to treat regardless of any "markings".
Do you have a good LLMD??? The most important thing is getting treatment, especially since you know you are pos for bart.
Who cares if the "marks" went away or whether they left a scar?
Believe me, the cosmetic aspect is the least of the problem. Get yourself treated.
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adrenal disease can cause striae (addisons and cushings). The bart striae that I got were wider and dark red to purple but I think there is a wide variety.
I watched a presentation on bart where the doctor said the rash does not come and go but I've heard a number of ppl say that theirs do. He said the rash goes when treated successfully. That's what happened with mine.
My rash would get really dark when I took a bath and would lighten up after.
I watched the Fried DVD on bartonella and here are my notes on rashes:
RASHES rash - deep purple - hard - they are a result of new red blood vessels being made. You get the rash from inflammation. They don't fade without treatment.
Has been described as any of these: Rashes are maculaopapular (they are flat) urticarial (means itching) erythema nodosum - hard firm nodule granuloma annulaire ring worm appears round - elevated thrombocytopenic purpura - pinpoint rashes
My tests were negative but a rash appeared after I had been on treatment for lyme for awhile.
I don't know what the difference is between stretch marks and a bartonella rash but one thing to look for is if they are at an angle or place where you would not expect stretch marks. Check your body over to make sure you don't have them anywhere else, even behind the knees.
a full work-up seems like a good idea.
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My kids have had Bart streaks for years. If you google "bartonella rash" you'll see what they look like (the ones on the man's hip).
They started out purple but are now mostly clear or white and sometimes a little pink.
They are thicker than the photo above. I wouldn't consider those streaks but scratches.
When my husband started Bart treatment, he got very thin long scratches (at least 4" long), much like in the photo above, on either side of his backbone. They lasted for 2 days.
My 2 cents to your question, lymetwister, is that although I have not seen marks looking just like that in that same location, I would think Bart.
Bart because it does give scratches and you said these come and go (not a regular scratch).
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TerryK, thanks for that great information!
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OK.. if anyone can answer my question, please PM me.. Thanks!
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Wolfed Out,
I didn't answer because I dont' know.
My daughter is still in treatment and still has stripes.
My son just started treatment a month ago and still has stripes.
My husband got stripes and scratches and rashes during treatment but all only lasted a few days at most, then disappeared.
Hope you find someone who can give you a better answer.
I will PM this to you also.
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- I can't place it but I think I recall having read that, sometimes, bart streaks can be a fine lines, not always thick and purple. Wish I could remember where I read that. It was a LLMDs work, though.
About the coming and going - it's important to note this was in response to bart rife frequencies - so there was a challenge.
But, as mentioned above, adrenal dysfunction can cause streaks, too. -
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If that isn't a bart rash I will eat my hat. I have seen tons of different barsh rashes in books and on the net not to mention on myself. They can vary not all bart rashes are even streaks. No doubt the rife gave it a kick and the results are the streaks in the picture. When I first started rifing for bart I had similiar streaks.
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I agree with jarjar. Will you share your hat or should I bring my own?
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quote: I can't place it but I think I recall having read that, sometimes, bart streaks can be a fine lines, not always thick and purple. Wish I could remember where I read that. It was a LLMDs work, though.
Keebler, do you mean the second picture in this article:
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- kadee,
Thanks for the great detective work. Yes, that is the photo I was talking about. Actually, #2-#6 are all finer than most think of.
In another thread today, someone posted that HHV-4 (EBV) and Cpn (Chlamydia Pneumonia) can also also cause striations. -
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Topic: Has anyone read (or do you recommend) "Bartonella: Diagnosis & Treatment" by Dr. S?
karenl posted:
The photos [in Dr. S�s Bartonella book] can be bartonella, but all the photos look the same for chlamydophila pneumonia.
It also does the red lines and my virus doctor said Herpes 4 does the red lines as well. . . . -
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I've got no idea and am not trying to make any rude comments of course. I'm just looking at all possibilities before jumping to a conclusion. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
My life would be soooo much easier if they all just accepted that. 
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