canefan17
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Do you have an opinion on fasting? Even mini-fasts (1 day every now and then where you simply take a break from everything)
Just curious your thoughts - this topic rarely comes up.
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- I'm not GiGi but fasting often brings hypoglycemia for many -- and for those with porphyria, fasting can be very dangerous, even fatal. Our bodies need food, water, air. All are good. Embrace the good. -------------------
Rather than fasting, you might consider incorporating JUICING, but be sure to add back in the pulp so you have a more complex carb experience. -
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Brussels
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Stephen Buhner is a great adept of fasting.
I swear it put my lyme once in remission, without any drugs. I did it for 10 days though.
It gave me a feeling of well being, of being energized in a different way. My body entered a sort of detox mode, my brain got clearer, and I feel my body started doing what it was supposed to do, but before, was too busy to do.
I felt well until I was so well, that I decided to go for jogging. I misunderstood the energy I was feeling with physical energy. Then I felt bad, with hypoglicemia, because one is NOT supposed to do many physical activities while fasting. I learned that fast.
I ate a pear and felt well again. Then everyday, I ate a pear or apple, once a day, and that was all the food I had for about 7 days (first 2-3 days were foodless). I was very thin when I did that fasting, but that didn't affect me badly.
It was an incredible experience. I don't have the strength of mind to do it now, as I'm no longer sick, but I guess I would do it again if I fall too sick again.
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Another thing I forgot to say, my eating habits changed after the fasting. I stopped eating a lot in the evenings (my meals reduced to very light ones), ate more at breakfast and lunch, and STOPPED the snacks in between. Stopped until today!
The effect of that single fast I did years ago last until today somehow!
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Fasting while toxicities play a major role is not recommended by Dr. K. If I have heard it once, I heard it a hundred times.
Fasting or skipping a day is for well people. Not when the body is desperate for nutrients. Have not met a person with Lyme and Company who is not deficient in so many nutrients. We wouldn't have a problem with Lyme. Many people are infected with Lyme and do not get chronically ill. We should never forget that.
Of major importance are the essential minerals and proteins and absorption.
Take care.
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canefan17
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Thanks guys
It's something I'll wait/look into after I'm done with Lyme and the toxicity load is greatly diminished.
Brussels, That's awesome - did you get buhner's book?
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You might do a "fast" that includes only certain health foods. I've heard of "raw food fasts" where a person only eats raw or lightly steamed fruits and vegetables. Or a juice fast where you drink fresh juice all day.
I cannot fast due to hypoglycemia, but I have done those modified fasts.
if you're too toxic though, they might make you feel bad, so just be open to adding a cooked meal to slow down the detox. I've done a "raw fast" for as long as a week, but I was eating plenty of food full of nutrients and enzymes.
I was not able to do a raw fast when sick because my digestion got so bad. I am able to eat more and more raw veggies all the time, but they still can't make up more than half my meal, so I am still not back to the point that I can do a raw fast. At the rate my system is improving, I expect by this summer I will be able to again.
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Brussels
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Canefan, yes I read the Lyme book and about 3 other of his books about plant healing and plant spirits. Not the fasting one though.
I had active lyme when I fasted. Something in my mind MADE me fast, it was like hearing a voice saying 'stop eating, stop eating, stop eating'. I always felt like hypoglicemic so never tried it. Besides, I had gastritis for many years, so I never THOUGHT about fasting, too much pain.
By the time I decided to fast because food didn't seem right, I suffered from NONE of the problems, no hypoglycemia nor stomach pains. It was like magic.
Buhner wrote to me and said, 'your body was ready for fasting'. I had lingering lyme symptoms that didn't go and those lingering symptoms faded as the body entered a strong DETOX mode.
I had been doing dr. K.'s treatment for about 2-3 years when I decided to fast, so many years of detoxing. It did help me, it was an unforgetable experience. Even with my body, that was weakened by so many years of lyme, I was so thin,... nothing was big problem.
I gained from fasting, the days got longer, my brain clearer, my urine stinked so badly (sorry for the description) even though I was taking only water and light teas without any sugar.
It was fasting that gave me the confidence that my body was NOT as weak as I thought. This was before I knew infrared therapy (photons).
After I read a bit about fasting and I do believe that when we eat, our bodies get SO busy to digest food, select food, throw waste away, take toxins from food away, etc that it has no time to clean or fight infections.
Take the big digesting job from the body, it will do what it had to do but had no time to do. The energy goes fully into detox and into the immune system.
Of course, one may not do fasting for very long nor too often. But since my fasting, I heard of a lady who barely had any stomach left from cancer operation. The doctors sent her home WITHOUT even sewing her skin well, because they knew she had only days or weeks to live.
The woman went to a crazy healer who only told her to fast and do water cleanses (from all over...), and she had to do that for 40 days. No food, no fruit, nothing, just water. She had nothing to lose, she did that AFTER the operation. She was thin as paper! She had a baby and she did that for her baby.
After 40 days, he gave a strict diet for her. She had to stop eating meat and many other things. She followed it all. She is still alive today, and very strong.
So even for dying people, it COULD work. I don't say it does to everyone, but our bodies still have more resources than we think. This is what I think.
If my memory is right, I had a relapse later though, after the fasting, when my daughter had her relapse. It was a bad relapse for her, so many nights without sleep, hospital nightmares, after a couple of weeks into that nightmare in full winter, well, I relapsed once more. That's when I tried the photon therapy!
But I don't regret the fasting, it was a great experience, very profound and meaningful. It really made me trust my body more than I ever did, during my lyme story.
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canefan17
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Very cool.
Buhner talked about mediating through the hypoglycemic times (during a fast)
Anyhow - thanks again guys
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- If porphyria is a player, I guarantee meditating will not reduce the level of toxic porphyrins that can build up from fasting. If porphyrins get too high in number, cell death occurs. Be sure to consider porphyria. Fasting can be fatal if porphryins get too high.
Elevated porphyrins are a frequent issue for those with lyme, heavy metals and autism (or autism spectrum disorders). -
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well, i guess you can try it... I fast few days every year. It used to bring much more clarity to my mind but now I think I am too sick to notice a difference... However, I know someone who had breast cancer and she went on what desperate cancer patients call starvation: basically they stop eating for a long while not to feed their cancer, and then the tumor reduces... after that they start reintroducing food slowly, liquid first, then fruits, then solid... But my God I would never do that because while they are starving the tumor, they are starving and killing their own body....but hey, damn sickness...
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Agree with Keebler here.. resaerching potential porphyria and Keebler is right on. I wonder how many of us with chronic lyme have it as a major player.
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pamoisondelune
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How can i fast and still absorb calcium pills, since i have to guard against osteoporosis?
I need to know! What calcium (and all the other minerals) are absorbable on an empty stomach?
I used to love fasting. My body needs only one meal a day or less, and is very resentful on a 3-meal a day schedule in order to absorb calcium etc pills.
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