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yes really informative link ... thx Gigi ..
this was the one I was referring to Scorpio... oops... hadn't realized
you were on this thread too ... good luck !
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What is the name that he keeps mentioning - Lida Matman? I can't understand what he is saying.
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It is a joke not everyone has BB, in there body. Matman had a test major medical establishments had a picture of the same test positive patients were given. If you think everyone has Lyme Disease and has had it where were all these patients that had lyme symptoms in the 1950's.
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Crab Bucket said.. "If you think everyone has Lyme Disease and has had it where were all these patients that had lyme symptoms in the 1950's."
Could they have never been diagnosed with Lyme because no one knew about it back then, and there were no tests for it either?
For example, I know someone who was originally diagnosed with Montauk Knee at age 15. They suffered though years of pain and multiple knee surgeries for it and eventually lost their hearing, developed dementia/Altz, heart problems, and suffered in other ways.
And another misdiagnosed with MS who spent their entire adult life in a wheel chair in an assisted living facility, and another with severe neurological disease (unknown origin) that wasted them away and sent them to an early grave.
All had one thing in common, aside from the fact they were all related to each other (siblings). All were avid outdoorsmen and spent their childhood on Long Island, in NY and were bitten by ticks prior to becoming ill.
We now know it was Lyme disease.
I also know people who were diagnosed with malaria. Now we know it was Babesia causing the sickness.
Then there are those misdiagnosed with all sorts of illnesses with made-up names, from way back when to today.
quote:Originally posted by 8man12: If you think everyone has Lyme Disease and has had it where were all these patients that had lyme symptoms in the 1950's.
- I was bitten hundreds of times in the 50's. And here I am. Took me 42 yrs to find out I had Lyme. There are thousands who weren't so lucky.
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I will add to TCs post in response to the 50s' remark by crab bucket. My mother was VERY symptomatic for Lyme disease back in the 50s' as was I.
My mother suffered through the yrs with chronic fatigue, migraines and extreme anxiety attacks. She was ultimately dx with ALS in 1989 and passed away shortly thereafter.
I can think of other people too numerous to mention who were sick back then with undiagnosed conditions.
I wish we had someone as astute as Dr. K. back then. He is just ahead of his time. Read my signature lines about truth, and how they apply to what the Dr.is saying.
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True, Gael. I failed to mention that I fully believe my parents had Lyme also.. from the 50's or 60's. My father died in 1993 from "Parkinson's" and my mother died in 2005 from kidney and heart failure, brought on by strokes. I think she also had babesia.
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Well explain why chronic infected children in large clusters showed up near the same time in the 2 places in the Eastern USA in the early 70s?Why did this not happen in the 50s? What about NY Central Park, how many got lyme there and it was very noticeable it started in the 70s, not the 50s. Not being smart but 3 different LLMDs told me one patients posts on having Lyme disease 50 years and living in the West was about to discredit and hurt care for Lyme patients a few years ago. Fifty years of untreated BB, I would like to see this person myself. We need to watch these posts. Look around the world is full of healthy people. One of the leading lyme specialist told me today when I ask if everyone had BB in there body. Most Olympians and professional athletes in training wold turn symptomatic when they put there body extremely to the test. Probably better than 65%. I seem to agree. We could tell the soldiers of the first Iraq war that went into battle with BB infections from basic training bases in the USA. The heat brought out the infection fast. You may look up "Lyme disease Army risk factors". Hope this helps.
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As immunity starts to weaken through everyday exposures, lifestyle, air, water, life experiences, getting a bit older, new exposures, new chemicals, new lousy food, more loss of nutrients in foods as chemistry detroys it ---- on and on and on - drowning in EMF - microwave towers installed behind the crucifix or hidden in roof shingles -----
that is what finally gets us sick. And the worst at this very moment is the electromagnetic pounding on our body by the stuff we hold on our ear, by being the antenna to the guy next to us who uses his i-pod ---- again - on and on and on ---
We are literally killing outselves and for certain our children. Life Expectancy has been dropping since the mid-90's, and our kids will not live as long as we do -
take charge - speak up - and pull the fuses at night. At least you get a few hours without the bombardment. Viruses, very possibly an underlying problem to Lyme, multiply like rabbits with electromagnetic exposure. Research done.
Microorganisms of all kind have switched to survival mode - and they will win unless we start to wake up and act in the right way.
What's the right way? I will let you guys and girls answer this.
Take care of yourself and your family.
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Yo Crab Bucket- been sitting on a fire-ant mound lately?
You said... "Well explain why chronic infected children in large clusters showed up near the same time in the 2 places in the Eastern USA in the early 70s?"
Very simple. Because someone was looking for it and found it. In fact, mothers, not the officials, did the work and the thinking to put 2 and 2 together.
Crab said.. "Why did this not happen in the 50s?"
Possibly because back then people weren't thinking about it.... and thought, as I was taught, that there were 3 people you could always trust or get help from if ever needed.
1. Your Priest
2. Your local policeman.
3. Your doctor.
Even today, older people, especially, tend to listen to their doctors and do not question them because of that training from years gone by. As they say, ignorance is bliss... and maybe they have had very few and perhaps even good dealings with some doctors and don't know or care to question them.
Not true with us. We smelled the bad fish and have been addressing it ever since.
Then there is the "patent" thing. Not until about the time Lyme hit the scene did the pure evil hit the forefront when money was attached to pieces and parts of bacteria and the science was skewed to fit personal agendas, leaving patients to suffer.
Try watching the movie, Under Our Skin, Crab Bucket.
And then maybe watch The Sound of Music to lighten up a bit.
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8man12... that is an unusual address you have ... where is "
Neverland" USA ?
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quote:Originally posted by 8man12: Not being smart but 3 different LLMDs told me one patients posts on having Lyme disease 50 years and living in the West was about to discredit and hurt care for Lyme patients a few years ago. Fifty years of untreated BB, I would like to see this person myself. We need to watch these posts.
- So, let me get this straight... You're blaming ME for stupid doctors who can't figure out when someone has Lyme?
Ticks don't travel on birds or pets??
The mummy didn't really have Lyme?
and I'm a LIAR???
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8man12 .. Since you have me on your ignore list, here is an excerpt from Lymenet Rules...
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You are hereby warned.
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8 man, I don't remember listening dr. K saying everyone has LYME disease!!!
On the contrary, he said NOT everyone has lyme disease but virtually everyone has the lyme bacteria inside!
Have you seen the post about the ice man with Borrelia? This is 5,000 years ago or so????!!!
Have you heard the part dr. K says taht in the Black Forest, many women died at old age but started having arthritis early in their lives, caused by Borrelia afz, another strain of borrelia?
This has happened for the old ladies while HE grew up! So, more than 50 years ago, for sure!
I see people around me, in Switzerland, not that far from the Black Forest myself, living up to 90 years old, or even 100!!!
We are in the middle of tick land. I fell sick after my FIRST tick bite, and so did my daughter. Every year, after a couple of bites, I will fall sick again and again, and so my daughter!!
My neighbors get bitten every year, almost at the same rate as us (about 3-8 times a year in average), but they simply do not fall sick.
The same old couple who lived in my house before us, for about 30 or 40 years, passed away last year and they were approaching their 100!!!! They lived ON THEIR OWN, in a flat, almost until the end.
Had they ever been sick with lyme at 90, I would have known!!!
You bet they got bitten! They never used repellents and the woods are all around, with deers and all wild beasts! They were country people, and so were their parents!
If you listen to the whole interview, you will see what dr. K. means. Today's SAME lyme bacteria is virulent, and we don't know why.
He suggests toxicity and electrosmog. That our immune systems can't cope with these bacteria that existed already for THOUSANDS of years.
We evolved WITH bacteria, but today, the same bacteria are killing us, we are not living in symbiosis anymore!
But some people around me, are still living and coping well with Borrelia. In fact, most people live with Borrelia without ever having big problems. It is unfortunately not my case, nor my daughter's case.
So nope, not everyone has lyme, I agree. But that most have Borrelia, I have to agree. How can all these people and animals that are bitten so often never fall so sick as us, after a single bite???
At least, my whole village and the villages around, here in Switzerland, I am sure everyone that that has ever been bitten a couple of times will have Borrelia somewhere hidden. But few have lyme.
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Does anyone know where to find a very recent HPU protocol by Dr. K.? I have one from 2009 but am thinking there might be an update. I'm thinking I should just presume that I have HPU and not bother with a test.
I've just done a hair test analysis and am very high in cadmium and uranium as well as higher than desired in arsenic and lead. I will be looking to chelate but am a little confused about how to proceed. Would you do the HPU protocol alongside the chelation? Too much neuro lyme to make sense of it.
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Lymetoo i have no idea why your on my ignore list.
My ignore list reads this,.No one is on the list.
All I can say is you can bet all the sick people who visit this site can tell you there are many friends in perfect shape and are very healthy as many of us once where.
Many ticks on beavers from years back were DNA tested and not 1 tested positive for BB.
WHY?
Thats why I have my beliefs Lyme was started in CT. and NY. And there is plenty of evidence of it. My post is not too make anyone mad, it is to give these patients the truth, the truth is we have good LLMDs, besides this fellow, and there is more evidence of my findings than the Dr. in the video.
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There is no doubt about toxins. But the Salk vaccine gave most of us more problems than anything. We will pass these contamination's onto our children which is far worse than toxins. Salk knew those vaccinations was contaminated. So those fortunate enough to have parents who got the placebo have a immune system and there body knows to fight off toxins. And can fight them off, others are not so fortunate.
You will also see a sample of the CORE on the planetdrive site, which is the capsule to replenish the missing minerals, etc. when KPU is a problem.
Talk to your doctor and get help with detoxing the metals. It is not something one should do without help. You cannot detox metals when the minerals are inadequate, so you need to do both --take CORE and get on a detoxing program.
Read the details on either of the links I gave you above.
If you can find someone who does energetic testing, they can determine if you have a problem with KPU by testing you for CORE. If your body says yes, it needs it, you probably have KPU.
Here is a test you can do to determine if you have KPU www.hputest.de (English version).
Good luck. And take the time to listen to the video by Dr. K. - scroll down to the bottom of the link.It's a lot easier if you understand some of the reasons.
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Well here's my two cents - Lyme didn't "start" in Connecticut and New York - it's been around for a loooong time - I think it was "tweaked" if you get my drift. Add to that co-infections, electrosmog, genetically engineered foods, chemicals galore and increasingly stressful lifestyles and wa-la!! You have modern Lyme disease. A disease that's able to completely overwhelm it's host.
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To get to the information site for HPU aka KPU, go to www.hputest.nl
In case you have never given KPU aka HPU any thought, it is the inability to detox toxic metals and have methylation problems often induced by Lyme and/or inherited.
Learn about it and make certain where you stand.
If KPU is a problem, it means you are peeing out the very minerals that you need to detox anything. You are peeing them out constantly and are lacking the very stuff that you may be getting in some of your supplements, but not in the quantity or combination that you are missing because of KPU.
It is a serious problem that is easily remedied by taking CORE in the proper amounts.
Do not ignore KPU and make sure you cover that possible problem. Nothing you do to get rid of Lyme will work if you have an unsolved KPU problem.
The Dr.K. video on the Planetdrive link explains it in detail. Some 70% of Lymies (hate that word) have problem with KPU.
Take care.
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