posted
I'm like a loose fish - I get adjusted and go out so easily. Any way to get adjustments to start holding?
Also, my neck is constantly sore at C1/C2 - any tips to stabilize the neck?
Posts: 13116 | From San Francisco | Registered: May 2006
| IP: Logged |
manybites
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 33750
posted
I was the one doing adjustments almost 3 times a week.Over time as I was treated I do not need them anymore.Just kill lyme and coinfections and you feel better one day .
Posts: 1379 | From disable | Registered: Aug 2011
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
posted
- I always had that problem. Adjustments would not hold for five minutes. And I tried many times over years with different D.C.s, D.O.s and even N.D.s who did cranial-sacral therapy.
I found massage so much better for me (but only if done at least weekly, ongoing). Massage could work the muscles to relax and let go. Adjustments just never did that for me.
I am pretty sure (but not positive) that somewhere in this article (or another?), the author explains why the muscles can't hold adjustments.
It's the toxins that irritate the nerve and muscle fibers so badly they just "torque" out, in a manner of speaking. As long as lyme is active, adjustments will not hold, I recall reading.
I can't seem to find that explanation now but can't really read all the article due to the spacing of text. If not there, I am sure that's the basic explanation of one expert on this matter.
When To Suspect Lyme Disease � by John D. Bleiweiss, M.D.
Excerpt [that comes closest to the one I was looking for]
. . . Lyme patients tend to heal slowly and are prone to musculoskeletal injuries, sometimes without the usual antecedents.
One patient sustained a vertebral facet dislocation while shaving ( the usual context is athletic).
Even in the well conditioned athlete, there can be an unexpected spate of muscle cramps, sprains, tendinitis and bone or joint pains at the sites of load bearing. . . .
---------------------------------
Massage was in the news, this week. Relates to us as lyme can cause cytokines to go sky high and also can damage our mitochondria: -------
By Nicholas Bakalar � The New York Times - February 6, 2012
Excerpt:
They found that massage reduced the production of compounds called cytokines, which play a critical role in inflammation.
Massage also stimulated mitochondria, the tiny powerhouses inside cells that convert glucose into the energy essential for cell function and repair. . . . -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
springshowers
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 19863
posted
The bugs live concentrated in the low back and cause havic in the discs too.
I have had low back problems as the first thing I struggled with without injury and for the year up to the major onset of this disease ON certain treatments if flares and like the one I am on now anti protozoan medication and it is severe where I am being severely affected and my mobility has declined as well as increase in pain.
I have had to resort to epiderals and trying to bridge the gap while i treat so that I can at least walk. it is that bad But it is a good sign according to some that it is getting in there and it is the revealing those buggers in there and I will then get better I believe. Even though my MRI shows damage and ruptures and buldging I think it will go away with the treatment I am doing.
I also Rife and put my wands there on the spine. It helps just for the short term like calms it for half a day somewhat. But I think it again getting to the infection.
Hang in there.. and do not expect to much from chiropractor.
Posts: 2747 | From Unites States Of America | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged |
springshowers
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 19863
posted
The chiro may be something actualy causing more prolblems Try a break and other ways to treat ?
Posts: 2747 | From Unites States Of America | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged |
sammy
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 13952
posted
Good question. It depends on what is being adjusted, my general stress level, and health condition.
I've noticed that other body parts like hand, feet, jaw... hold adjustments really well. Back and ribs, not so much, they can pop right back out of place.
If I am very sick and stressed (from feeling so sick and having to deal the constant burden of insurance problems and lack finances...). I seem to not be able to hold my adjustments as long as I can when I'm feeling better and less stressed. I try my best but I feel like these things are out of my control.
A good chiropractor helps so much!!! He literally puts me back together Posts: 5237 | From here | Registered: Nov 2007
| IP: Logged |
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees. . .
BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients . . .
Links to: UPLEDGER; FELDENKRAIS and other GENTLE techinques that do NOT use sudden or sharp twists to the neck that can damage those with lyme. -
Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged |
MannaMe
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 33330
posted
My husband finds cranial / sacral therapy and massage do more to help relax the muscles and he can 'hold' his adjustments much better.
He gets cranial treatments almost weekly.
Posts: 2248 | From USA | Registered: Aug 2011
| IP: Logged |
posted
My chiro stresses to me that he's not doing something that is supposed to "hold", rather he is getting things that are stuck and not moving properly to "move" again. So, if you don't feel like it's holiding, it's because it's getting locked up again.
I've used chiro, pilates, and massage and now no longer need chiro very often at all. Pilates gets the muscles evened up so that the spine isn't pulled out of place. Massage helps, too. But neither pilates nor massage can move bone.
My chiro gave me exercises when I first came to him that he felt would keep my spine properly moving, and they were all pilates moves.
-------------------- sixgoofykids.blogspot.com Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged |
Yes my cervical spine is out often. Worse when I am flaring.
I am actually in bed today because of it. It went out and I almost threw up it hurt so bad. The worst yet. I suspect because I am in aggressive treatment and flaring.
I have atlas orthogonal chiro and he suggests having gua sha done after adjustment to loosen the muscles and lessen the tension on the neck.
They taught my husband how to do it for me but we haven't been and obviously we should be on a regular basis. It does release lactic acid so you have to detox afterward.
Let me know if you want the name. I see you are in San Fran.
Posts: 253 | From CA | Registered: Jun 2011
| IP: Logged |
Tincup
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5829
posted
Hey Bird Brain! tee hee hee
As a long time chiro patient, I have been told and noticed myself that unless I am treating the Lyme the adjustments won't hold as long.
When treating I have been able to go 2-3 weeks sometimes without an appointment. If not treating- and the chiropractors DO notice it- I can slip out anywhere from immediately to a couple of days.
I use calcium to reduce muscle tightness. Some use magnesium.
Wish I had more and better info for you, but that's all I've got!
posted
Thx everyone for your feedback - much appreciated!
re treating Lyme, I react to all abx, so am doing teasel root tincture and curcumin capsules - I don't think the combo is as strong as the oral clindamycin was, since I have to do it everyday or I feel the joint swelling.
Neither the clinda nor teasel root/curcumin seem to have any effect on the neck situ.
re massage, I'd like to, but it costs, and I'd need more income to cover that too -
for springshowers: my chiropractor puts people on the Vivatek machine - it opens up disc space and gets more circulation in the area - it's supposed to be good for discs - you could ask around to see if any practitioners have one -
re pilates, I can't do any resistance without everything going out of place! I can stretch, but if too much, I pull everything out, so have to be gentle. Must be nice to be able to do it -
Spindle - what is gua sha? Maybe I'll pm you -
TC - neat that you can go 2-3 weeks without an adjustment if you treat right -
I don't think I've found how to treat right - I just go with what seems to take symptoms down.
I've tried Calm Mg and that doesn't seem to do anything. So what about the calcium - how is that done?
So once again - my neck muscles are in spasm - so what treatments get to the muscles and the ligaments? Any treatment that works for us, so could be any of the above suggestions?
I'm so fragile that if any little jolt or bounce happens, my neck vertebrae go out.
I'm frustrated, since I have a fairly active life here in SF doing things with people who are healthy, and I'd like to be able to do more - lots going on around here...
If any of you have more info to add about how to handle joint instability, I'm open to hearing - thx -
one more thing - the most successful treatment I'm doing is detoxing with an FIR sauna - I have no idea at all if detoxing 30 years worth of toxins is going to eventually do anything for the joints?
Posts: 13116 | From San Francisco | Registered: May 2006
| IP: Logged |
IckyTicky
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 21466
posted
It took me going to the chiro 3 times a week for a year before my adjustments started holding for more than a day. He explained that when you are out of alignment for SO long your body keeps trying to go back to where it was before the adjustment.
-------------------- IGM: 18+, 23+, 30+, 31+++, 34+, 39IND, 41++, 58+++, 66+, 83-93IND IGG: 31+, 39IND, 41+ Also positive for Mycoplasma Pneumoniae and RMSF. Whole family of 5 dx with Lyme. Posts: 1014 | From Texas | Registered: Jul 2009
| IP: Logged |
tdtid
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 10276
posted
I was going to a chiro before my Lyme Diagnosis to help with pain. It was amazing for the first 12 to 24 hours but by my next appointment, I was told that it was back out.
Since then, I've been told the the inflamation in our bodies from Lyme knock it out. The chiro had no clue about any of this, but my LLMD said that is why it doesn't hold.
Cathy
-------------------- "To Dream The Impossible Dream" Man of La Mancha Posts: 2638 | From New Hampshire | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
Tincup
Honored Contributor (10K+ posts)
Member # 5829
posted
Hey td, nice to see you!
Birdy baby.... You might try the new Calcium Petities (by Bayer I think?). Easier to swallow due to the fact they are smaller.
But any good quality coral calcium may be able to help relax the muscles. Personally I like the coral powder to add to a drink too, but it can get thick and be gritty, so don't buy too much the first time around.
Need to note- I like taking my calcium at night. It can, like a glass of warm milk before bed time, make you sleepy. I don't need to feel more sleepy during the day.
posted
Robin, I have a great chiro who uses muscle testing to decide what to adjust and how to do it.
I have neck pain and its not gone yet, but greatly improved. Something the last chiro i saw for over a year couldn't get done. Let me know if you want her info..Its in the East Bay, in Piedmont.
Posts: 844 | From CA | Registered: Apr 2010
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
You can use them for massage. They come in different firmnesses. I was amazed how good they work.
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
posted
FYI - Foam Rollers for Myofascial Release and Massaging Tight Muscles
posted
Hey, thx all, for keeping the conversation going here - hopefully people can get something out of this dialogue -
TC - can you describe how you experience the calcium working - like does it work right away, or in time? How much does it help tight muscles? Have you found the Bayer calcium and coral calcium to be equally effective?
Do you think it can be taken by itself without any magnesium, or is it a good idea to have a balanced Cal-Mg supplementation?
Seren and Sparkle - I tried so many bodywork modalities when I thought I had fibromyalgia - I think all these methods are worth trying, but I'm not responding to much.
Whitney, I can't even muscle test because my muscles don't handle any pushing on them - but I will pm you about the local chiropractor - thx -
I started exploring my neck situation further and have found that it's rock solid in places. My chiropractor suggested I start stretching it and showed me some supported stretches.
I recall it took me 9 months in the swimming pool to stretch out my pelvic muscles so I could walk again. That was a year and a half before I found out I had Lyme.
So, thinking how Lyme likes to go where there isn't much O2, well, tight muscles would offer that opportunity, and I had tight muscles before Lyme happened, from all my activities,
so that would explain why this situation now - ie, to look at our own history and what we did to make a particular area vulnerable to this illness.
Hey, here we all make sense to one another, but out in town - I'm laughing now - I'm a story in town, since I ask the paratransit taxi drivers if they can PLEASE avoid hitting the potholes in the streets! You know, like when we rode bikes and wove around cones in contests.
One driver told me the other day that there's someone else in town who also asks drivers to avoid hitting potholes. I'd love to ride in the cab with this other person. We'd be like a ride in stereo.
Posts: 13116 | From San Francisco | Registered: May 2006
| IP: Logged |
sparkle7
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 10397
posted
The pilates with the roller isn't really like stretching in the traditional sense. It more like getting a chriopractic adjustment or massage.
You can get a softer roller & work it up gradually. It's more like physical therapy than anything else. It's good because you can do it at home on your own.
Pain is my biggest symptom. It's no fun! I guess these exercises make me feel empowered because I can do tham at home on my own. The roller I have came with a chart but there are really alot of different poses you can do. There are books available.
Just thought I'd mention it...
Also, there's an herb called kratom. It's really helpful for pain. It's not for everyone but it helps me to have a somewhat normal life since I have chronic back pain.
The LightWorks helps alot, too. I think it's a bit more concentrated than a sauna but it's not as strong as the PE-1 or Bionic. It's about $300 so it's not a huge investment.
Posts: 7772 | From Northeast, again... | Registered: Oct 2006
| IP: Logged |
The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:
The
Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey 907 Pebble Creek Court,
Pennington,
NJ08534USA http://www.lymenet.org/
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic