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Maya12
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I have recently heard about this and I was wondering if you can have morgellons without having any skin lesions?

I do have little red lines under my skin like little red broken blood vessels but no lesions at all

Also do the fibers actually come out of the body and you can see them? Or pick them off do they grow out like little hairs?

I have never noticed any fibers coming out of my body

Can you actually see these fibers without a microscope?

And if you do have this how the heck do you get rid of it?

This is scarring the crap out of me

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What really scares me is that I do seem to have little red and blue lines all over my neck area and face
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Not overly familiar with this disease so I just googled it. It looks like another disease that lyme can mimic. You just got a positive lyme test so I wouldn't worry.

You see your llmd very soon.

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I know it just seems that this disease tends to be part of lyme. Does it only cause skin lesions?
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Can anyone tell me anything about this disease? Can it occur without any skin lesions
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Sorry, I didn't realize it went along with lyme.

I don't have any info.

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Most people with "Morgellons" have been dx with Lyme. I personaly believe it to be the Filarial Worm co-infection that often goes undiagnosed.

The pictures at www.lymephotos.com shows what these so-called fibers look like. They are acually worms. I know because I had these exit after doing many mos of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c.

I couldn't have been more shocked because I had undiagnosed Lyme for over 35 yrs. I never had any lesions or other marks until I stopped my abx after 4 yrs.

Dr. K. treats all fo his patients for parasites/worms FIRST and Lyme SECOND. Getting rid of parasites is KEY to getting rid of Lyme.

Try not to scare yourself silly and just move forward with tx. Antiparasitics and salt/c were key for my recovery.

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Hey gael what antiparasitic herbs are good I was thinking of trying the humaworm protocol.

And really morgellens is just a form of flarial worm?

Have you been able to get rid of it and are you feeling better?

Can you get rid of these worms fully? Or morgellons disease fully?

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Can anyone else add to this?
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I used/use Parastroy (have used Humaworm, Hulda Clark) and added Hanna Kroeger Wormwood to the mix when I felt I hit a plateau. I also added extra cloves to kill the eggs, Super Digestaway by Soloray and HCL.

I am much better and will stay on maintenance dose forever of herbs and salt/c. Parasites lay eggs, some up to 200,000 a day.

If just one egg is left the cycle will start all over again. The salt/c protocol was also very powerful in getting rid of parasites. Lyme and other coinfections for me.

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Hey geal did you find humaworm helped, I called and they said it is somewhat effective at getting morgellons

I really want to do something about this and I think I will start the salt c today.

Do you feel much better now after treating thses nasty buggers

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Ok so I printed off the salt c protocol and will be taking about 15 grams of salt but I have vit c tabs in capsule form so do I just open the caps up onto a spoon till I have a table spoon worth or 15 grams? Also will sea salt work?
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Maya,

DO NOT START WITH 15 gms of salt!! That would be about 3 tsp full. I started with 1/4tsp sea salt and 1/4 tsp of Ester C powder with bioflavinoids in a large glass of water.

I use Real salt and Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health and get both at vitacost.

Gael

And drank extra water as well. This is much more powerful than you realize and can cause you to herx too hard starting with a high dose. ONLY USE SEA SALT NOT TABLE SALT!!!!! The idea is to ramp up slowly according to how you are herxing. Go to lymestrategies for the protocol.

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Here is a link re Morgellan's... check out the quick links on the left side. Hope this helps..

http://thecehf.org/

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Thanks for the help. I appreciate it

The only thing is if I did have morgellons wouldn't some of the lyme treatment kill it

Also for the salt c I have sea salt but it is iodized is this ok to start with and where could I get non iodized sea salt

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As I mentioned in the above post, you can get Real Salt sea salt at vitacost. The sea salt you have sounds like it is processed because it has added iodized salt.

You can also use Himalyan Sea salt. Treating for parasites/worms is the same tx as so called Morgellons.

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Morgellons is believed to be a parasite (filarial worms or something else), and Lyme treatment usually does not address parasites (except if babesia treatment is also included).

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Our LLMD is also a morgellons specialist. She says about 10% of her lyme patients also have morgellons.

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So I take it then that if it is flilarial worms they can be killed off

Are there any baths that will help kill them off?

And when doing a parisite clense like salt c what do you see coming out

Do the lines disapear from the skin

I don't even know if I have morgellons I just have tiny line that are blue and red on my chest and the itching crawling sensation.

Can lyme cause the itching crawling sensations

I don't have any lesions

And if they are flarial worms do they actually come out of the skin

And mostly can morgellons\filarial worms be eradicated from the body?

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Can lyme or other parisites also cause the crawling and itching sensation?
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Ok here's the thing if I had this and I have been sick for 2 years now wouldn't I see fibers coming out of my body or have black specs. I have one area of red and blue lines that could be blood vessels. Other than tha I don't have any lesions or anything.

I have a slight itch and the slight crawling sensations

How would you even know if you had this if I don't have the fibers or black spots or lesions

I know the little lines on my chest have been there for years before I got sick.

Also I have been confirmed thru igenix to have lyme

So what I am wondering is how would you even know you had this if you have no fibers or black spots or lesions?

Can you actually see the fibers protruding from the body with the naked eye?

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