Razzle
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Anybody ever hear of using Nystatin capsules as Lyme treatment?
This is my doctor's newest proposal...
Clarification: I do not have Candida problems (no thrush or "female" yeast infections ever; no gut/systemic yeast/fungus issues confirmed via ART/EDS/muscle testing, blood cultures, biopsies, skin scrapings, etc.); I eat a lot of organic dried oregano ("Origanum vulgare") daily and have been taking antifungal herbs for years and years (mostly for other purposes, but they do prevent fungal infections also).
So my sole interest in this question is Nystatin specifically for Lyme treatment - thoughts, opinions, etc.
Thanks,
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Been taking nystatin and Diflucan for yeast. I started this a month before antibiotics. LLMD said he thought many of my sx were from yeast. I did herx from this. So first was to treat presumed yeast. Then I've been taking this with antibiotics for 3 years. I think it is hard to avoid systemic yeast when you're bombing out your natural protective gut bacteria with antibiotics. Did he also prescribe a low carb - no sugar no grains diet?
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Razzle
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I don't eat sugar. But I cannot eat no grains, as rice is one of only 3 foods I can eat because of methylation issues and food allergies.
I take probiotics, take antifungal herbs, and do not have hardly any of the commonly recognized symptoms of yeast issues (no sugar cravings, no alcohol cravings, no white tongue, etc.).
I've done months and months of antifungal tannins and other strong antifungal treatments over the years prior to taking abx, and have continued many of the antifungal herbs while on abx.
Please note that I do not have a yeast/candida issue, and this has been confirmed with energetic testing (EDS/ART/muscle testing).
The Nystatin was proposed as Lyme treatment, but it sounds like there is no way it would be able to adequately treat Lyme since it is not absorbed systemically.
Thanks for the input.
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randibear
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well personally, if it doesn't treat candida then why take it???
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Randi, my LLMD had me take Nystatin the entire two years I was on abx to prevent systemic candida. I never had a candida problem during Lyme treatment. Two years would have been way too long to be on Nystatin. As a preventative, or for an intestinal infection, Nystatin is good.
Diflucan has its uses, too, and is much different than Nystatin.
Razzle, I don't see how it would treat Lyme either. Maybe ask your doctor? He might be thinking something that we all haven't thought of.
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Razzle
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The only thing he said was that he had seen that it was being used in Europe with some success. I wonder about that, though, if it only treats the gut and not systemicly (I can't spell this morning, LOL!)... I wonder if it was really treating yeast for those folks who felt better on it...
-------------------- -Razzle Lyme IgM IGeneX Pos. 18+++, 23-25+, 30++, 31+, 34++, 39 IND, 83-93 IND; IgG IGeneX Neg. 30+, 39 IND; Mayo/CDC Pos. IgM 23+, 39+; IgG Mayo/CDC Neg. band 41+; Bart. (clinical dx; Fry Labs neg. for all coinfections), sx >30 yrs. Posts: 4166 | From WA | Registered: Feb 2011
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TerryK
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Perhaps he is getting confused with another protocol that uses an antifungal for lyme disease. It is thought to have some effect on borellia.
Eur J Med Res. 2004 Jul 30;9(7):334-6.
Clinical effects of fluconazole in patients with neuroborreliosis.
Eleven patients with neuro-borreliosis had been treated with 200 mg fluconazole daily for 25 days after an unsuccessful therapy with antibiotics. At the end of treatment eight patients had no borreliosis symptoms and remained free of relapse in a follow-up examination one year later. In the remaining four patients, symptoms were considerably improved. At the end of therapy immune reactivity (IgM+) disappeared in three patients. Since borrelia spp. are almost exclusively localised intracellular, they may depend on certain metabolites of their eucaryotic host cell. Inhibition of P450 and other cytochromes by fluconazole may incapacitate Borrelia upon longterm exposure.
PMID: 15337633 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
There is more to it than this study. A doctor felt that he cured himself using this antifungal. You can do a google search to learn more.
I have taken nystatin while on abx therapy but as others have said, it is not systemic. I'd ask my doctor for more information.
Terry
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Nystatin has a really big molecule, big enough that it doesn't get absorbed into the blood. It's topical for your tongue and GI tract, but that's it.
It isn't going to help lyme at all; if lyme grows at all within the GI tract it's really not what we're concerned with.
As an aside, 'nystatin CAPSULES'? I've never heard of those.
I think Terry is right; there was a paper released recently about diflucan (flucanazole) doing something interesting that left the lyme more susceptible to standard abx. Perhaps your doctor is confusing those? It really doesn't make any sense.
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My son's doctor has him take Nystatin to prevent yeast. That is all. He has has problems with yeast in the past and the symptoms were terrible so I asked for something to prevent it. It does nothing for the Lyme.
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quote:Originally posted by TerryK: Perhaps he is getting confused with another protocol that uses an antifungal for lyme disease. It is thought to have some effect on borellia.
- Bet that's it.
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randibear
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ah, the schardt protcol. where you take diflucan for one month then penicillin for another month, alternating.
supposed to work but i've never done it.
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