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WOW!! Great video. This is a very bad infection and needs to be addressed long term...FOREVER! From what I have read, the Ivermectin does not kill the adults, but helps keep the infection at bay.
Dr. K's protocol with different antiparasitic meds is supposedly effective, but I have seen people post here that they have to keep repeating it. Some folks, rotate between the pharma meds and antiparasitic herbs and salt/c.
Adding clove caps (Hanna Kroeger) is also a good idea as it kills the eggs, is antibacterial and have read is effective against malaria. Coconut oil and coconut water is also effective.
Eating any foods that are antiparasitic is also a good idea. Thanks so much for posting this most informative video.
Please keep us posted and don't forget to do warm water enemas and or colonics to remove dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.
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Right on Tammy! Great video Lymedin!
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That was an amazing video. I am not sure who the person was that was analyzing the microscope slide, but she validated my DX of lyme disease when discussing the bands on Igenex WB!
So it appears that your body is able to handle these parasites when your immune system and gut are in good working order. It is when you have illnesses that harm your immune system, that the parasites become unmanageable.
I want to make those papaya smoothies on a regular basis! Glad I have incorporated Salt C into my regimen. I have several cloves daily too. I know I need to do more - and I will but I am doing so much right now with herbs and other forms of treatment. Slower pace may be the best way to go for me.
I am taking cholestyramine and wonder if anyone who follows this thread is as well. I am not sure if these are parasites, but I see an enormous amount of yellowish specks in all of my stools. I guess I feel good about getting rid of whatever this is!
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Can anyone explain the correlation between yeast and parasites?
When I did a modified version of Dr.K's protocol I experienced a metallic taste in my mouth. The taste only went away after a few doses of Diflucan. Did killing parasites releaseyeast
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Yes, killing parasites releases yeast, metals and bacteria. Coconut oil is very helpful in getting rid of yeast. Look up GiGi's post Babushka principal.
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I've had a bad episode and am seeing parasites I haven't seen before. Taking Alinia (along with my abx) for around 10 days with no problems; every few days I take some DE but don't when my stomach's queasy. I do saline enemas every day and the coffee 3 times a week for the past couple weeks. Friday I took 1 tsp of bentonite clay.
Saturday I woke up with a ferocious, hideous headache which lasted all day and had me flat on my back with ice on my head. I vomited a few times and saw some parasites--one that looked like a slug and another bundle of thickish strands. Neither of these could have been food as my stomach was totally empty except for water I'd drank.
I didn't feel like the Alinia was too strong--usually with too strong a dose of something I'll herx right away.
Any thoughts, ideas...I want to keep treating for these horrible things but I can't go through these die-off headaches! So far I can't tell if the coffee enemas are helping. Too soon to tell??
Arg.
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Your reaction may have been from a combination of the enemas and the clay. It's easy to deplete electrolytes and minerals with all you're doing.
Try taking your binders more often (but a smaller dose) to clear out the dead and dying parasites and toxins they were carrying (metal too). The metals alone can make you sick. Remember to add in minerals and electrolytes.
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Has anyone one had a die off reaction from DE? I thought it was just a binder?
Also, for those doing salt/c...do any of you have digestive issues that are complicated by this protocol? Not to be to graphic but like rectal bleeding, or inflammation in colon, etc.
Can you still do enemas/coffee with this issue? seems to be irritating to colon?
I already know parasites are a big issue more from evidence I have seem in the bathroom but I'm trying figure out how to work on them and still stay of my feet....keep gettting myself in a mess with everything I do...even with a ton of binders.
Tried ivermectin for a couple of weeks...pediatric doses and had the worse neurological flare.
I read this entire thread and bought the salt/c book today but the one thing that I think could hold me back is the irritation and inflammation already present in colon.
Thanks
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I have the same question about DE. Die off?
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I think DE can cause dieoff, but I thought I was pretty much used to it by now. Maybe in combo with the Alinia it tipped things over the edge... And I thought 1 tsp of bentonite WAS a low dose, sigh. I know larger amounts of it have given me a herx before.
I don't see how I can take binders if they make me herx! I do charcoal at night, but that doesn't seem like enough.
As far as minerals and electrolytes--that's a good thought, but I do take a lot of supplemental minerals. I can see about electrolytes--I think my EmergenC packets are electrolytes but maybe not enough?
I really think the headache is from die-off. I just can't see how to proceed any more cautiously.
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Yes DE can cause die-off. It is anti-parasitic (in addition to being a binder).
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I am down for the papaya smoothie & seeds and the pineapple stalks. I was just thinking about getting my hands on some.
That is the most informed microscopist that I have ever come across in that first video I posted, so eloquent too. All the things that she pointed out in the blood sample, I also see in mine.
I also see some in other people's blood. There is a correlation between the amount of symptoms that people report & the amount of dancing spirochetes & forms and various other unidentifiable organisms.
That is one of the things that I have learned with my ventures & it is great to have it confirmed by someone else.
Perhaps many of us carry the spirochete, but it is not until you get the "FULL LOAD", and most often it may come from a tick, that you acquire the potential for chronic sickness.
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Again this is for you Gael. I too am looking for the proof before I get all the proper equipment to start testing on spirochetes.
Makes you wonder. Maybe Lyme is not Lyme without the coinfections. It needs the coinfections to compromise the immune system & become systemic.
"Yes, Listerine helps but salt and baking soda works better if you can believe it. Thanks for the interest, Dr O"
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Thanks so much for posting this Lymedin. Salt is a very powerful antagonist against bb and also the cyst form.
keikko.
The sea salt and vit C will help heal the inflammation in the colon, just as it does when you soak a finger in salt water and it draws out the infection.
Hope everyone is doing well.
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Yes, thanks for that, Lymedin. It motivates me to continue using the Salt C to get at those organisms that ABX and herbs have not been able to reach. It is interesting that when you go swimming in the ocean, things like poison ivy and eczema often clear or improve.
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Keikko, aloe is good for the digestive tract.
I'm not sure I would do coffee enemas if you have any bleeding. Maybe wait until the bleeding passes. Also, binders need more water and upping your oils can be helpful too (fish oil, etc).
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Sorry, didn't see her post. Just posted response on Ip's thread.
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Thinking of possibly starting salt/c. To be honest...I'm scared! I never thought anything would freak me out but addressing parasites has me so nervous!
Can this be done while I'm taking other herbs and medicines? My thinking was yes. Ugh...I just don't know what I'm gonna do yet.
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It can be done while taking other herbs. You can start it at a very small dose...1/4tsp each salt and 1/4tsp C and work up from there. It will give you a chance to get used to it.
Probably won't see much at that dose anyway. At some point adding antiparasitic herbs would be a good idea.
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philly - maybe what you are feeling is the nervousness that the parasites are feeling because you are finally coming after them.
If you start very slowly, you should not have any problems at all. Once you get the ball rolling, my guess is that you will be so happy you are finally addressing this infection. It is especially rewarding once you start "seeing" results.
By far, this has been the most important treatment I've done so far.
Wishing you well.
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Okay...I think I'm just gonna go for it! I feel pretty good most days and this may very well be the missing piece I need to address.
Any suggestions on what brand vitamin C? I already have Real Salt in the house as that is what we use.
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I use Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health. I buy it at Vitacost. The Vitamin Shoppe also carries it for a few more dollars.
Go for it and let us know how it goes. Good Luck.
P. S.
You might also want to order some Parastroy and keep it on hand to incorporate it down the road.
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Thanks!
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I'm on albenza now. I keep getting weird little sensations like a small spider is crawling on me. I also feel like something is biting me (different places on my body). It must be killing something. I haven't seen any evidence of anything exiting other than a few 3 inch skinny white thread looking things. They must be hanging on for dear life (biofilms maybe).
I am also experiencing some yeast, which I am sure is from die off and the metals they left behind. I think I need to up my binders.
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Yay Catgirl!! The albenza seems to be hitting the parasites. The biting, crawling sensations are def a sign. The evidence is the skinning white things which could be thread worms, filarial worms or pin worms.
This is great news! Coconut oil always worked for me in getting rid of yeast. Warm water enemas are good to do to release more dead and dying toxins and parasites in the lower colon. Keep us posted.
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Thanks Gael! I'm hoping things are starting to let go now.
Thank you for your suggestion about the coconut oil too. I should probably take it with the ablenza. I'm doing the enemas, and am about to embark on colonics--should be fun (lol!).
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Thanks for getting me motivated to focus on parasites! I have passed some crazy stuff this week....feeling worse than ever, but happy this stuff is moving out. Yesterday, I passed something at least 12 inches long, felt very weak but feel better today.
The main problem I am having with getting rid of this stuff is the brain stuff....like extreme brain fog even a bit of confusion...then I will cut back on what im taking and it will clear a bit. Anyone else experience this?
I am doing the enemas every other day and am taking binders like de, clay, microsilica and chlorella.
I am going to add low salt/c today and see what happens:) digestion already seems better:)
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Im in a pickle now I feel like. I saw a Dr who is on the ILADS board but moved from that state 1 month after seeing her for the 2nd time.
Is treating parasites before/after treating Lyme important? Must one treat Parasites before attacking Lyme?
He/she wanted to do Yeast (ketokonazole) THen Pylara Then Albendazole
THEN start treating for Lyme.
Stomach issues was my very first symptom when I was young. And have stayed with me, rollercoastering and much better now for years but still there.
Dr recommended a Dr in my state (which Lymenet also recommended by a few people as best in my state) however he seems to be more focused specifically on Lyme even when I showed him previous Drs approach.
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This is a general warning to everyone about posting anything about names of horse or equine wormers for human consumption.
I posted a warning about discussing this a month ago. Lymenet does not allow this and yet it is still going on in other threads and in this thread too.
There is a lot of good in this thread. The moderators will be deleting the posts and threads that violate the rules and sending out possible warnings.
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Faithful, don't assume everyone is talking about equine wormers. What I posted above is a med for humans. In fact, all of the parasite meds I've been on and posted about have been for humans. So please check the meds out before sending me a warning. Maybe it's time for me to move to another blog.
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I got a warning too. I've only suggested taking prescriptions or anti-parasitic herbs with salt/c.
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I'm getting mixed messages. I've only posted about human meds, but I got a warning about contributing to posts that mention vet meds, even if I don't mention vet meds.
This thread is now 13 pages long. I have no idea if or where vet meds may be mentioned, but apparently it is dangerous for me to post anything on such a thread.
I was told the board could be shut down.
When I read the mod posts, I read, "Do not mention vet meds." I don't see, "Steer clear of any thread mentioning vet meds. You could get the board shut down."
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We don't want anyone to feel that they cannot post. The warning was given to everyone on the other thread if I'm not mistaken. So if you were warned, but did nothing, then don't worry.
It might help us to know which ones are veterinary meds and which ones are not. And no, I'm not going to do my own research on it.
BoxerMom.. no need to delete it.
I welcome any PM's with info. (hope my mailbox doesn't close up in protest!)
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I fully explained to everyone that I pm'd anyone who posted on that particular thread so everyone could understand the rules. I also said that not everyone mentioned the horse or vet meds but wanted everyone to understand the rules.
These meds are all over this huge thread in various places and have popped up in other threads. I have horses and know the names of most of the wormers out there so I know they are in this thread.
Please do not take what was said out of context. This is a great thread about how to help others take care of parasites.
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Faithful and Lymetoo, Ivermectin, Albenza, and Biltricide are also sold by prescription as human parasite meds. Pyrantel pamoate is also sold for humans at most pharmacies (even little kids take this one). I don't understand why they're an issue considering doctors prescribe them. Are these the parasite meds you both are referring to, because that's all I've seen posted on this blog (maybe I missed something)? If so, there is simply no need to worry about discussing these meds, because humans are prescribed them as well.
I get that we need to leave the words vet meds out of posts though.
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I get Pyrantel pamoate through a compounding pharmacy by RX.
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Thanks, Catgirl! The only thing I deleted was a link to a site that showed animals. So I assumed the med was for animals. I don't remember anything else about the link or other info.
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lax mom .. or yeast
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Thanks Lymetoo: I know I have horrible yeast problems. Just had to stop Diflucan due to high liver enzymes
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Lax, try fermented veggies. :)
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Yes! Look into the Body Ecology Diet .. they have a website that tells you how to do it.
(if you stopped the Diflucan, I'm sure the yeast is having a heyday.. sorry to hear!)
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Has anyone had an issue with yeast while taking albenza? I can't tell if it's giving it to me or something else.
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Chronic candida and parasites go hand in hand. Chronic candida is on the symptom list for parasites. A lot of the antiparasitic herbs also kill yeast. Bottom line, best to treat both. Bumps on the scalp could def inicate both.
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I just want to be in denial about parasites. The treatment is soooo rough.
Been reading a lot about parasites on this site and others. A lot of people feel if you are not getting better its probably parasites.
My son has been tested twice and both times negative, stool test from doctors data and also from regular MD, wherever they send it to, not sure.
Was put on A-P drops from BW but not for long. No change.
Is it OK to take something just to see if you have them. If so, what and for how long before you'll know.
Also will it hurt you if you really don't have parasites.
One last thing, he's currently taking Flagyl, can you treat for parasite while on this?
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I tested negative for parasites for years and was loaded with them. Parasite testing is just not reliable and if you read the statistics, over 90% of the population is infected.
Antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy and Humaworm to name a few will also hit other infections.
Salt/c is reported to kill spirochetes as well as the cyst form. IMO, it is fine to take the herbs to see if you have a problem.
It took me 6 mos of strong and persistent ingestion of herbs and then salt/c for them to let go. This is what came out of me..www.lymephotos.com. Some folks have good results with the pharma antiparasitics.
TammyN on here has a Dr. K. practioner that does ART and has helped her get rid of a LOT of parasites. Hopefully she will see this and can give you some names. She is from N. J. as well.
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I've been doing parastroy for three weeks and just started salt/c today. I've noticed the past 3-4 days I seem to have yeast symptoms..itching, sore scalp, pimples, extra tired. Maybe disrupting the parasites is causing yeast to flare. Would adding charcoal help cleanse the yeast and parasites?
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I would love the name of your practitioner also Tammy. Thanks so much!!
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I took coconut oil and coconut water when doing herbs and salt/c to kill off any candida. Warm water enemas help a lot to release dead and dying parasites in the lower colon.
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frikfrak and jlcd1- sending PMs.
I think treating parasites is perhaps the most important thing we can to in order to begin regaining our health. I wish it took me less than 20 years to figure this out....but grateful nonetheless to have finally found this path.
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jlf2012, yes - charcoal might help. Food grade diatomaceous earth taken away from meds/supplements by at least an hour may help to. Good luck!
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My allergist said yeaterday that I have major inflammation in my lungs. I know I have scarring from lifelong inflammation, but want to now treat for parasites. I have artemisinin at home, and was wondering about adding mimosa pudica. Or, should I go for something like parastroy? I also take r lipoic acid and NAC for glutithiaone. Should I continue this while taking art. and/or mimosa pud.?
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I would just go for the Parastroy. The 3 most important herbs to target parasites are Wormwood, Black walnut Hull and Cloves. You might want to also consider adding salt/c to the mix.
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i take the artemisinin now, 6 pills for 2 days in a row, then skip a day, then repeat.
I also use mimosa pudica and salt c has been added in. It makes me so sick sometimes so I'm scared to keep going. Is it normal to have to stay home and be close to a bathroom all day, because that's how i feel.
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I would cut back on the Salt C if you are feeling this way. With Salt C, you are supposed to increment very slowly and decrease your dosage when you start to herx or have loose stools. I don't know if the mimosa or artemisinin could also be contributing. I hope you feel better.
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PLEASE don't stop the salt/c except when you are herxing. It can be invaluable at killing parasites and bb. I got diarrhea even at low doses. Lower the dose if you feel too sick.
Lymephotos says it is from dieoff. Drinking coconut water that is high in potassium is a good idea to help balance electrolytes when on salt/c.
The people that have the most success with salt/c are the ones that stay on it and perservere.
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I'm missing salt c (can't wait to get back on it). I felt so much better on it (on day 13 of albenza).
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Thanks to Gael and all thrParasiteWarriors for helping me gett my life back
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Oh dyna, So very happy to hear you are well. That is such great news!!
Gael
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dbpei
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I don't want anyone to misunderstand my post I didn't mean to advise stopping the Salt C. By "cutting back", I meant to reduce the dosage if you are feeling really bad. Those are the instructions that are given in the Salt C Plus Protocol. I have highlighted below...
"You must do it exactly according to your body and your situation. In other words, it does not matter what anyone else has done or is doing, the method is designed to be uniquely tailored to you and what is right for you.
Bottom line is those who resist the temptation to overwhelm the body� by simply �loading-up� without regard for the Scale-Up Method will have the best potential for success."
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Can you do the Sea Salt without the vitamin C?
Would that still kill parasites?
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tick battler
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Wow - my kids are really fighting today...I guess it could be related to the full moon? But wasn't it last night? Is anyone else having an increase in symptoms?
Thanks, tickbattler
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glm1111
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Ema,
It's best to do the protocol the way it was established, using the sea salt and the vitamin C together. Is there a reason you only want to do just the salt?
Gael
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glm1111
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Ema,
If you just have sea salt on hand, it is antibacterial and antiparasitic, so I would start it a a low dose in a glass of water. You can start with 1/4tsp. Add the vitamin C ASAP.
Hope this helps,
Gael
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Maya12
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So I am now taking paracide and doing chelation and seem to be passing biofilms but kind of confused because I have been on and off the paracide for about 3 weeks now and haven't really seen any worms yet.
I feel like total crap and have since starting it and was doing quite well before starting but I do only take it about 3 days a week.
Can even 3 days a week of this make you feel like crap and cause a wickid long herx and how long does it take to start seeing worms? I am seeing a lot of sludge and mucus and what I think are biofilms. also noticing an increase in Bart sx.
Also how long can it take to feel any better?
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Maya12
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Can the parasite treatment also make you feel really out of it with brain fog?
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glm1111
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Maya,
Attacking parasites can def cause brain fog from the dieoff. They love the head and can nest under the scalp as well. There is also a brain/gut connection and parasites are known to hibernate in the small intestine. It is also a full moon!
Hope you feel better.
Gael
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