Topic: Colloidal Silver : Has anyone here used it for lyme ?
annxyzz
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I have been doing a search online of colloidal silver for lyme disease ( google ) and it appears that some individulas at other health sites feel it was more helpful for their lyme symptoms than ABX .
Has anyone here tried it for lyme ?
I also recently read posts about actual CURES with IV colloidals silver . I wish there was a way to get more specifics on how much needed and for how long .
If you have used silver , please share results. I bought some for bladder infections - IT WORKS! Have not used it for lymme, but on a whim I took some with ivermectin and can barely stand up two days later ! ( 1 tsp ) . I was not even herxing with iver anymore , so this cheap brand is STRONG!!!
I appreciate any feedback .
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Would like to hear more on this as well. I'll be making some in the near future.
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I bought a Silvergen CS maker and have been using it rectally, about 20ml 3x per day.
After trying ABX and many herbs including Dr. K's cocktails, which did nothing, I am finally feeling some improvement in energy with cognitive improvement. It has only been a few weeks that I started the CS with the Silvergen and I am also using the Beck Silver Pulsar for blood electrification.
I am FINALLY feeling somewhat hopeful after many many years...
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There are posts I found at different sites that shared stories of people who took a lot of ABX with no improvement and then felt better with silver. The stories were assoc with these brands: ( which I am not advocating as I know nothing about them) : Mesosilver , Argentyn 23, and Sovereign silver .
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The most interesting story I read was found at MD junction , posted by a mamber "gotthebestkids" whose doc put her on Argentyn 23 . She literally got well and resumed jogging !
At other sites I found members warning those trying silver to start at TINY doses, esp with Argentyn 23 because of horrible herxing . The argentyn 23 is suppoosedly very small molecules and more effective in penetration.
I am sharing this anecdotally because there are people claiming they improved with silver after no results with ABX . If silver helped you , please share .
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I know someone who got well using Colloidal Silver after many years of abx. A friend of a friend got better doing a colloidal silver IV.
I am leary of taking too much (the blue factor) so I will take a teaspoonful twice a day for a week or so, stop for a few weeks then do it again.
I also use colloidal silver nasal spray when I have head symptoms and really bad tinnitus. It helps.
It's all good. Best to take it on an empty stomach which is a hassle if you are already taking lot's of herbs requiring an empty stomach�.
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From my reading it appears ( and I am not an expert) that you are safe from turning blue with most brands that use tiny particles .
I found several boards with members saying teir doctors used argentyn 23 or meso silver , and that they saved money by ordering through amazon , rather than purchasing through doc's ofc .
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Drinking Colloidal silver is not very effective.
Rectal or IV is much more effective. Stomach acid neutalizes the CS when it is drunk.
Holding it under the tongue may work as you will bypass the stomach.
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Just like patches said, I hold the Argentyn 23 under my tongue for 30 seconds, then drink it...per the bottle's instructions (I also swish it around like mouthwash because I figure it couldn't hurt).
Their website states that it gets absorbed by the mouth and esophagus prior to even reaching the stomach.
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I know someone who says they got better treating with homemade colloidal silver.
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I am very interested in this too. Thanks patches for the info re: the colloidal silver and holding it under the tongue as well as the link you provided. I haven't watched it yet but I intend to.
I never heard of the Beck protocol either but I will read up on that.
annxyzz thanks for posting this. I myself am using the Argentyn 23 as eye drops on the advice of a LL opthalmologist, but so far haven't noticed much difference in terms of eye pain/pressure (also using restasis).
How do you use it for UTIs? Do you ingest it? And at what dose? Thanks in advance.
I am also wondering if the colloidal silver is effective against parasites and viruses??
Wouldn't it be awesome if there was something that was antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, anti-yeast, antiparasitic that had no side effects? Could colloidal silver be the holy grail, so to speak?
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beaches I found other message boards that had members who posted that silver got rid of lyme after antibiotic failures . I really doubt that too many lyme people have used it as docs have seemed to rely on drugs, which usually do not work ( majority of cases ) .
Silver has very enthusiastic users if you read reviews at iherb or amazon . It is not snake oil by any means . From what I understand it definitely kills viruses and bacteria . I do not know bout parasites , but droid knows someone with coinfections who was cured of lyme and coinfections with silver , so maybe it kills them. I read interesting stories at mdjunction and healingwell.
I have used it very successfuly with bladder infections , taking a tsp two or three times a day . It also got rid of a chest infection more than once that ABX did not help. I have never taken it for a long period of time, and it causes QUITE a herx for me .
I was hoping there might be some members here with more info.
The health boards I checked give the impression that LLMDs are using it now according to messages posted . The great thing is that it does not cause yeast .
The cures I read about were mostly ( not all ) achieved with IV silver , which should be VERY low risk and not terribly costly if you can find a willing physician with an open mind .
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Argingytine 23 for 8 months,, slowly increasing dose to a tablespoon 6/day. Will herximer if start too quickly. Very much improved, first time western blot reactive on only #23 vs two more key bands..
This was after two years of antibx cocktails, cowden, bab, Bart, relapse with every break in therapy. My gut could not tolerate another round of drug.
Ever grateful for mr creative md.
Now on break for two months with fingers crossed.
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So Argentyn 23 is only available through a doctor?
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No, we order ours online through Amazon.
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annxyzz
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tthyme , are you taking anything else with the silver ? Thank you so much for sharing that you are making progress with it ! I found several other stories at other boards that were very similar! The stories indicated that the person had tried many ABX and drugs and never felt improved until trying silver , then slowly saw genuine improvement . Some literally resumed a normal life after being ill for a few years !
How much silver ( dose ) did you start with ? Less than a teaspoon?
I definitely think it strongly potentiates my dose of ivermectin . I have taken iver for a year ( every other day ) and finally do not have a bad herx with it . However, I took one teaspoon of silver with it ( a cheap brand ) and for 48 hours I felt like a weak chilled dishrag who only wanted to sleep .
I will not start with one whole teaspoon !
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I'll try making my own first.
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Just a thought : I wish there was a naturopath or LLMD who would do a study or experimment with lyme using IV Colloidals silver on maybe ten patients for an extended period, then publish his results . It sounds like there are DEFINITELY some people who finally improve with it , and some who literally return to normal.
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VV , it may not be cheap, but even herbs are expensive . 8 oz of artemesia annua would cost more than this silver . And there are improvement stories on other brands than this .
I think it is wonderful that something natural like silver and garlic can kill a lot of pathogens without a million dollars and a prescription from a high priced MD . The silver stories I read all stated that drugs did nothing to ever make them feel better at all , but the silver made a difference . The initial herxes for most were strong ( a few did not herx !) and they could only tolerate 1/4 tsp to start .
I am beginning to think it possible that the silver may kill coinfections as some people had treated for those with no improvement until they tried silver . I do not want to overstate the possibilities of this, but reading stories of people who start FEELING better after never having good results with drugs is encouraging and causes me to think a study or experiment could be useful or worthwhile .
There is a study done on silver by UCLA and if anyone can find it and post it , that might be helpful. I do not know how.
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So, I made some colloidal silver @ 5-8 ppm.
Any suggestions on dosing?
I guess I'll just start low and slow.
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There is a book by Dr M Paul Farber "MicroSilver Bullet " that gives suggestions. Personally I would start with half teaspoon once a day . Then go up slowly . I bought a weak brand and took it with ivermectin ( which I had finally adjusted to without a bad herx ) and had a herx that was unpleasant for two days - with one teaspoon .
Dr Willy Burgdorfer says silver kills lyme in tests . ( I did not say it will cure everyone ) .
There are tests from UCLA that indicate that silver killed every virus it was tested with , including AIDS . The book I mentioned has documented research, even though I was not overly impressed with the style of the author Dr Farber. The writing was hokey and he included very irrelevant info , but still there was documented science from esteemed institutions.
After reading quite a few testimonies at other boards , I became curious . The testimonies , at sites like MD Junction , state that the person has been ill for "X" years and tried a WIDE variety of drugs and made almost no progress, or either made some progress but relapsed . ( Most never felt better with drugs . ) In desperation the person's doc advises silver orally , or IV . Then for the first time the lyme person slowly can not believe he feels less sick . He/ she begins to be more active and some even start jogging or working .
If you google colloidal silver lyme disease you will find boards with members like "Marthas Vineyard " and "gotgreatkids" who say the silver made a huge difference . As ttyme stated above, they began feeling much improved, and most of these people could not tolerate the effects of ABX on the gut any longer and were simply desperate.
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I have used ACS 200 spray (200 ppm) at recommendation of my doctor. You hold it under the tongue for as long as possible then swallow. Otherwise it is destroyed in the gut. IVs would be better but I imagine this would be really hard to get.
I have used it to kill an eye infection outright, and yes it has killed bladder infections for me as well. It's awesome. But I'm not sure how good for Lyme and co? I don't get a herx but others do.
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destroyed in the gut? that doesn't sound right.
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The silver molecules must be a certain small size to kill spirochetes , like the argentyn 23 , or meso silver . Not all silver would work or every formula - percentage of silver and size of silver molecules appears to make a difference.
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Any info on when to take it in relation to meals?
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I have read other posts that indicate it does not matter about meals and does not interfere with meds . If it were ME , I would take it on an empty ( or not full ) stomach , and hold it under tongue for a minute before swallowing . I have read mutiple times that this improves absorption, but I herxed without doing this , so who knows. I am just sharing what I have read .
I think 8man12 ( who posts here ) knows a lot about this and about making silver if I remember correctly . I believe he improved with his own silver. I would pm 8man12.
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Just got off the phone with my son who is using Argentyn 23. He feels it has helped but he scared to death of it. He says research into nano particles is inclusive on the side effects or retention in the body. I called the manufacturer of Argentyn 23 and they say it clears out. Any thoughts?
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If you do a search ( google ) on "colloidal silver lyme disease " it will take you to quite a few health boards . There are SEVERAL lyme sites with members stating they are using that brand ( argentyn 23 ) for lyme . Most of these people posted that it is making them feel better and that their docs believed it to be safe . It has extremely small particles which supposedly makes it extremely safe . I did not read one complaint about side effects or issues with turning blue . I personally would not worry . The book I just read "The Micro Silver Bullet " by Dr Paul Farber states that there have been very few cases reported in the past 75 years, and those reported were not true colloidal silver with small particles, and that those who "turned blue " had taken very large amounts of silver for a long time. Mainly because these days the colloidals available have tiny particles that do not get easily stuck in cappillaries . That is what I am reading now.
Others here may know more and I am just a reader , not a scientist .
There appear to be quite a few docs across the US trying it , probably because ABX so often do not work, and bec of gut issues. For me to read that there are people using it who say "I AM FEELING BETTER " is encouraging . It is not often I find lyme health boards where people communicate "I feel better ". That alone has made me interested.
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"Tests conducted last year at Temple University School of Medicine in Philadelphia found that silver colloid slowed the replication of HIV-1 (human immunodeficiency virus type 1) and the bacteria that causes yeast infections--at least in a laboratory setting, Scientists at the National Institutes of Health Rocky Mountain Institute in Hamilton, Mont., also found that colloidal silver was effective against Lyme disease bacteria in the lab. But so far the substance has not been proven in double-blind clinical trials--considered the gold standard of research--to work in human subjects, although such research is underway." - 1996 Vegetarian Times, Inc.
So that was back in '96? Can't seem to find any follow up to this.
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VV Thank you . There probably has not been a study conducted on lyme with doxycycline or we would find it .
I am encouraged to see that it works in univ study ( I already read this ) and that there are actual people at different boards giving testimony that they feel better . Those people never felt a bit better with extended use of ABX . I am using silver - just started it . If anyone starts it , start with a tiny dose . I am not using the strongest version yet , but along with my herbs it is almost knocking me flat . I was not having a rough herx with herbs til silver was added.
I read a few posts at other boards where people combined it with doxy and had good results , after having no real result with doxy alone.
The UCLA study I found said it was effective on every virus they tested it for . I do not know how to post this . But I think it is worth trying for mycoplasma , EBV , HHV 6 , CMV , for which little help is known .
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Wow, I sprayed 1 spray of Argentyn23 in each nostril for the first time today and I am having a flare that is worse than any flare I've ever had...horrible.
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