It outlines the use of apis for lyme disease. I doubt any docs in the US are using apis injections. Ive know for many years that apis bee stings work well for arthritis and Dr Donsbach has used it for many years in his clinic in Mexico with great success for difficult arthritis cases...how many of those cases were actually Lyme?
So Im wondering if anyone has any experince with this either in injeciton, sublingual tincture or homeopathic? Sublingual tinctures could be made at home if one were inclined so Im thinking about that.
The article also has interesting info on Bi-EDTA.. and the use of Bismuth. Homeoapthically I have found bismuth to be very powerful and fast acting in some viral diarrhea cases, curing in only one or two hours. I wonder if its action on the gut could be helpful for those who have lyme biofilm causing problems there. That bismuth is active against lyme is a surprise to me.
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Hubby used bee venom ointment and felt it was helpful. He rubbed a very small amount on the soles of his feet and said he could feel it traveling up his spine.
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Be very careful in using the combo of EDTA and bismuth. Hubby learned the hard way. He had gastritis and was taking pepto bismol for about a week. He went to a new ACAM doc. That doc wanted to retest his heavy metals -- prior elevated mercury treated with chelation.
Anyway the doc used IV calcium EDTA for the challenge test -- that goes in faster than the older form of EDTA. He started having seizure like episodes as soon as he got in the car to leave the docs office. He was then pretty much in bed for a couple of days. He actually got what we thought was a lyme rash also.
Anyway when he got his test results his bismuth level was elevated.
The doc in Mexico who treated with IV bismuth had a couple of patient deaths. I think there was a write-up of the protocol in the Townsend Letter for Doctors probably 5 or 6 years ago.
I think Dr K suggests using pepto bismol for a couple of weeks in his lyme treatment protocols.
There should be some links about bismuth on this forum as it has been discussed several times and I know I posted about hubby's experience when it happened.
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So I wonder ... this doc your husband went to an didn't understand the potential reaction of bismuth with Ca-EDTA?
I have mixed feelings about EDTA via IV anyway. Why do an invasive treatment when there are other more simple options to do at home at a fraction of the cost and not as harsh. I had a boyfriend a long time ago who did Ca-EDTA by IV. We saw metalic tiny tiny flakes flowing in the toilet bowel!!! I would think that such a quick detox could be harsh on the kidneys... the treatment really did open the circulation to his head though as whitnessed by thermography studies before and after.
Bi-EDTA is a compounded forumla I think. could it not be very different than taking pepto-bismol, in dosage especially?
Anyway, Im not thinking of doing bismuth. Im more interested in the honey bee venom. It could be pretty easy to make honey bee tincture.
Bismuth might do some detoxing in homeoapthic form. I know it works very well in homeopathic applications for some things, a fully nontoxic form.
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thanks for the links on the bee venom, seibertneurolyme.
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I think Dr. K uses bee venom therapy in his Lyme protocol...
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I used bee venon in two forms: one by the ointment (I bought it at dr. K's institute), it was helpful for arthritis (but it didn't heal it).
The other was the homeopathic Bee venon, and if my memory is good, it was the D 30 dilution. (X 30 in the US). It was also helpful, but as with everything else, not a single bullet treatment.
Here, it is hard to find people to use bee stings, but I heard some people do that for years, as they think it is the only thing that helps them. But as I said, they use this treatment for years, meaning, it is not curative as a single bullet treatment.
I use the bee venom ointment when I get a new tick bite, when the bite tests bad (infected). But not as a single treament: I find a slice of garlic taped on top of a bite is what brings more killing effects locally ... Dr. K's right hand practioner here in Germany suggested me to do that.
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