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Steven Buhner has a book on fasting. I believe there is something to this. I think a short fast is a very doable experiment....!
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- For anyone with porphyria, though, fasting can be very dangerous, even fatal. It's really important to know that since many with lyme have issues with excess porphyrins, KPU / HPU, etc.
Details below -- and note the posts on Spirulina (so that if calorie restriction is done, something like a Beta Carotene rich food must be on board to help. Can't explain all that but it's in here)
Topic: what type of M.D. tests for PORPHYRIA -
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Super interesting CD! Thanks for posting Posts: 4358 | From British Columbia, Canada | Registered: Jun 2013
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Fasting is also bad for people with mitochondrial disorders. Lyme impairs mitochondria...
So just be careful if you try fasting...
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- For what it's worth:
I did a medical fast (Optifast) for many months before I knew I had lyme (or any of the other things later to be diagnosed -- just thought loosing weight would "cure" me of feeling so very ill all the time.
I lost weight, alright and felt surprising okay much of the time. Still, fasting did NOT help my health at all. Made me worse in, oh, so many ways.
That's when the seizures started, too. I'm sure there was a connection. After the porphyria diagnosis, that makes more sense.
Still, the fake foods in that mix could have been the trigger for me, too, or a combination of things but fasting really changed some things about my body for the worse.
Even missing good calories intended to "feed our cells" with key nutrients for a few days can be far too stressful. There are variations, of course. Green powders and good oils are life savings during any food reduction. And that sure would have helped me to have known before I did the OptiFast misadventure.
Hemp protein powder, too, would have been nice to know about. But who knew before the internet?
I want to thank the world wide web. For now, we have so much at our fingertips. We just have to sort a lot but it's so much easier finding information that even 20 years ago.
I've learned this, most of all: my body does not do well with ANY shocks, ANY stressors. It needs support, not pushes. -
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- Lyme is very unusual in many respects toward immune function. Lyme can evade even the best immune system.
Lyme can "flip" how the Th1 and Th2 parts of immune function work. Most doctors are clueless about this.
So, it's best to get advice from a LL doctor (LLMD or LL ND) who really knows all this so they can guide in how to approach key concerns for any actions. -
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What you did is not a fast, it is only a restricted diet plan.
A true fast means water only. I did a lot of short 3 day fasts a long time ago. I also did some juice fasting for up to a week.
There were definitely health benefits associated with these types of fasts. But they were all done when I was in excellent health.
quote: The OPTIFAST Program
The OPTIFAST Program is a medically supervised weight management program that closely monitors and assesses progress towards better health and emotional well-being. The program, which usually lasts 26 weeks, utilizes a full meal replacement plan that transitions to self-prepared ‘everyday’ meals, in conjunction with comprehensive patient education and support.
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- Good point about fasting being, really, just that, no food. This was called a medical fast since it was about 400 calories a day. Still, different, as you say.
The cautions whether very little food or no food, are still important as with lyme, so much is complicated. Starving can boomerang. [Juicing, however, can be wonderful. But that's just really good food!]
There are other articles out there by LL doctors. It would be interesting to see what they'd have to say about fasting in regards to those with lyme
(and porphyrin issues, too, as are a matter for everyone, really. Even for fasting before a surgery, that is not allowed for someone with porphyria. They get a glucose IV the evening before so their body has glucose around the clock. Even fasting for routine blood work can be dangerous for those with porphyria).
Just one those brief summaries here. Some of the unique aspects of immune function with lyme:
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