Topic: Waking up at 3:30-4:30 every morning?? Thoughts
tricia386
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Its back!
Not sure why! I usually have no issues falling asleep between 9:30-10:30 every night depending on what I got going on.
But like clock work I wake up at 330-430 every morning sometimes I can fall back to sleep other times not so much which makes for a long day and makes me exhausted.
This symptom has been gone for awhile any thoughts?
Any thoughts what is or anything that could help?
Thanks as always!
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Keebler
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- If you take any kind of sleep aid, it could just wear off at that time. Most sleep Rx are very hard on the liver, too, so that could be double whammy.
Temperature of room, bedding, etc. Cool is better (when possible. I take a soft ice pack to bed now and put on my belly. In the middle of the night, if I awake and need it, I just switch it out for a "fresh" one)
Bladder needs?
Low blood sugar, liver stress, &/or just needed to move your body a little bit?
A LIGHT snack an hour before bed (that includes complex carbohydrates, a little fat and some protein). Maybe about 1/2 cup of smashed beans with a little olive oil. Or an egg, some nuts, etc.
Best to avoid dairy, though, as that can create phlegm and really stress your lungs and entire GI system, too.
Hypoglycemia is a frequent cause of interrupted sleep. The late night snack is said to be very important for those affected.
Liver support in evening. The liver is most active at that time and if it's "hot" [inflamed or stressed] it can wake one rather abruptly.
Magnesium - be sure it's spread out 3-4 x day . . . including before bedtime and maybe if you awaken later, too.
When you awaken, do not turn on any lights unless they are RED. Do not look at the clock. Keep it covered if it shine.
Do not look at a cell phone or any electronics as the instant we look, then it turns a switch on in our brain - artificial light does that. And it can take a couple hours to turn off our brain again.
maybe hit the bathroom and do some deep breathing slow Tai Chi kind of meditative moves and visualize some nice place in nature where you are peaceful.
Diaphragmatic breathing, muscle relaxation
Be sure your room is free of all fluffy stuff that collects dust, etc.
AIR OUT ROOM each evening with real fresh air, a good fresh air flush of the house is good daily.
No electronics in room, etc.
Hum. Softly sing yourself a favorite lullaby.
Train yourself to not start thinking about any concern. Not the time nor the place, remember. If you find yourself doing that, move to a nice place in your mind and use all your senses to "be there"
MELATONIN
Some of these might help. -
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- Coming out of Liver time so it may have excited your body / brain & entering Lung time (so the diaphragmatic breathing all the better)
Traditional Chinese Body Clock -
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- You might also want to learn meditation &/or how to nap (if you can). These techniques can save you for those times during the day when you need to sail away.
Twenty minutes of meditation can have the same effects as some sleep. -
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tricia386
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I do take 50 mg of trazadone every night... maybe thats causing it?
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- Trazodone sure did that for me. And I could never wake up during the day. My blood pressure would hit rock bottom and I'd just suddenly be sitting on the ground.
That was a terrible time of my life, I never got good sleep. I tried all the sleep Rx and all were just terrible for me, though. So glad those days are long gone.
However, if you decide to transition away from it, see if you can find a LL ND to help you. It should be done slowly and with specific nutrient support.
There are some excellent herbs that have a similar quick relaxation that trazadone does but without some of the risks. SCULLCAP tincture, HOLY BASIL, etc.
Scullcap will not work in dry form, though. that must be a tincture. Herb Pharm has it as a glycerine tincture. Some herbs detailed below. Best if a LL ND could advise you.
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- Re: Trazodone
Just a brief look as some aspects
So this does affect the liver's cytochrome detox pathway that is often very compromised by lyme and could add liver stress - be sure your liver support is tip top . . .
liver stress is one cause of fatigue
If you have KPU / HPU or any degree of a porphyria (and many with lyme have a sort of "secondary" porphyria due to the toxin load), this would be contraindicated
because such an affected liver may not be able to fully metabolize Cytochrome P450 drugs as it should and can result in increased toxin load (more fatigue, more pain, more brain fog).
Because of the possible porphyria relationship, it's important that some carbohydrates are available to your body overnight. See detail as to why in the links below. A little wild rice or quinoa seem the best choice, I think about an hour before bed.
Blood pressure drops upon standing, when standing, etc.
Trazodone can cause low blood pressure drops -- many with lyme have trouble with low blood pressure drops such as POTS, NMH so this could make that worse and would sure cause fatigued feeling.
I never made the connect to that until now, never knew my black outs at that time might also have been connected to this, in addition to undiagnosed lyme.
. . . While trazodone is not a true member of the SSRI class of antidepressants, it does still share many properties of the SSRIs, especially the possibility of discontinuation syndrome if the medication is stopped too quickly.[34]
Care must, therefore, be taken when coming off the medication, usually by a gradual process of tapering down the dose over a period of time. . . .
. . . Trazodone is metabolized by Cytochrome P450 3A4, a liver enzyme . . .
. . . Adverse reactions:
. . . Trazodone's propensity to cause sedation is a dual-edged sword.
For many patients, the relief from agitation, anxiety, and insomnia can be rapid; for other patients, including those individuals with considerable psychomotor retardation and feelings of low energy,
therapeutic doses of trazodone may not be tolerable because of sedation.
Trazodone elicits orthostatic hypotension in some patients . . . . -
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Keebler
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- Do you have MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity)? If so, that is one indication of the Cytochrome P450 liver enzyme dysfunction / possible porphyria influences.
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It might have something to do with your detoxification cycle of your body that is activated in the early morning hours.
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This has been the norm for me for the most part since I first got dx'ed back in '02.
One thing I have discovered -- although I may feel I am tired and want to turn in around 9:30-10, I am far more likely to actually have a decent night's sleep if instead I stave off the temptation, and don't turn in until 11-11:30pm. Sometimes as late as 12-12:30, worst case.
I also have found if things aren't ideal and I cannot shut my mind or my body off and get comfortable enough to actually get back..
1. I get down on my hands and knees and do gentle full body stretching for several minutes. I let my intuition guide me and do whatever feels the best in what and how I go about actually stretching myself out.
2. I have a few salt lamps that I have on dimmers. I turn one on and keep it on an exceptionally dim setting, and "rest" -- not certain why it works, but it often makes me sleepy enough to actually doze off and then I click the light off when I know I've reached the point where I am actually good to go--- I have my lights connected to these
which allows me to use a hand held remote control to click off when I'm ready.
3. Advil
Other things that can help are journaling, Perelandra ETS drops applied to soles of feet. White noise or a fan can help as well.
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My LLMD mentioned that the 3:30 waking (I'm actually more in the 4am waking group) is actually related to the circadian rhythm of the Borrellia bugs.
I think she said that, anyway. I might be misremembering now. I've had this issue for a year and a half...driving me crazy!
So, it might be the sleep aid or it might be Lyme..
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My LLMD told me that the most beneficial and detoxifying sleep is between 9 or 10 pm and 2 or 3 in the morning.
I also go to bed early with no problem, but often awaken at 3 or 4 a.m. This has been my pattern over the last decade. Sometimes I get back to sleep and other times, after lying there for another hour or 2, I just decide to start my day.
A recent LLMD wanted me to start trazadone to help me sleep through the night, but my instincts are telling me not to do this. This thread is validating my decision to stay away from it. Thanks!
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When I have trouble with waking too early around 3 - 4 and can't go back to sleep, I'll start taking 5HTP at bedtime. I continue the 5HTP until I've been sleeping good for a couple nights.
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tricia386
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Thanks everyone! I slept till 445 today woohoo! Just makes for a very long day! and an early bed time
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I have this problem related to where I am in my cycle. The week before my period is awful - I wake around 2 or 2:30 and can't fall back asleep until 4ish.
Sometimes it's a hunger/blood sugar thing. It doesn't hurt to have a little carby snack when you wake to see what happens. Recently, I've tried just a little OJ (maybe 1/3 cup) and a pinch of sea salt, in case it's an adrenal issue. Seems to help.
I take Trazadone (100mg) also and I don't seem to have the side effects. I have a lot of nights in which I can sleep straight for 10 hours.
Just another thought - do you wear earplugs? Maybe someone in the neighborhood is making noise at that hour that you aren't aware of and it's waking you.
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CherylSue
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good sleep info
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good sleep info
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My 3 am waking was related to dirty electricity in the bedroom circuits while the smart meter was downloading.
We now turn off the circuits to the bedrooms at night and I rarely wake anymore.
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LisaK
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I wake every night like this. for years.
rowingmom what is "smart meter"?
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A smart meter is the new electricity meters that have been installed in place of the the old meters over the last few years.
Many people react to these meters. They send signals to the electric company.
For folks who are sickened by them, they can tell the electric company to take the meter away, but they are often charged a monthly fee for not having the smart meter.
The electric company no longer has to come to your house to read the meter if you have a smart meter. So, that saves the company money.
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LisaK
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o ok, I do have one but it's at the other end of the house. is that ok?
what else wakes you up?
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The only way to know if your smart meter is making YOU sick is to get away from it (and any other smart meters) for a while. This is what is recommended on the site below:
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We are in Ontario Canada and have no opt out option, so are stuck with the thing.
The problem is not only the EMF signal being emitted to the electric company (and the neighbours signals as well), but it also puts dirty current back on the house circuits. If the circuits are turned off, this seems to be less of a problem.
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