linky123
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Looking for a natural/herbal remedy to work on a peptic/gastric ulcer.
Would appreciate any suggestions.
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Take this and drink cabbage juice. It will heal your ulcer. Cabbage juice was proven to heal peptic ulcers in the fifties.
Also you can get DGL licorice and slippery elm. Chew as much DGL, but still be cautious with it. It can cause some heart issues.
Slippery elm - just make a kind of tea / paste with warm water. Add honey if you can handle it.
My severe reflux and possible ulcer was gone if a few months of this.
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Most ulcers are caused by bacteria called Helicobacter pylori.
No amount of DGL, cabbage juice or slippery elm will cure the ulcer but will relieve the symptoms if it truly is an ulcer of this nature.
I honestly suggest seeing a gastroenterologist and having an endoscopy and/or breath test. Cure is usually 2 antibiotics with something like zantac.
You can pass this bacteria through saliva, so husbands and wives often both have the bacteria although not everyone gets the symptoms. Both, should be tested, though or it continues to be passed back and forth.
I just went through this and I used the tesla high frequency violet device and my energy healer to kill the germ. It worked and I am much better.
I had this also 25 years ago, so I know how painful it is, but back then they did not test for H. pylori and just used zantac to heal the ulcer.
I think you need to know the cause before trying to eradicate it. Use of slippery elm and marshmallow root definitely help with symptoms, but so does zantac.
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Keebler
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- as hiker53 explains about h plylori, I agree.
It's really important to be a assessed for h Pylori. I'm not sure that any natural method will adequately address that so it's vital to know if the ulcer is caused by h pylori or not.
Certain Rx can cause ulcers, too, so that would need a little detective work. But, even if some Rx had been taken and an ulcer developed, h pylori could be in the picture as well.
The Rx treatment is very specific, a combination approach but it does not have to be for very long but if it's not done just right, this could go one forever and ever.
Rife machine - or Tesla, perhaps - seem reasonable considerations and you'd know before very long if either would work for you.
IMO, though, no supplement or food is going to really work to eliminate h pylori effectively.
Until you settle on an aggressive assessment / approach, the supplements & certain foods may help.
CELIAC should also be assessed, via genetic blood work or saliva DNA sample.
If you are gluten free, be sure that nothing is slipping through the cracks. Web search:
Hidden Sources of Gluten -
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Keebler
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Yes, I had H Pylori and got rid of them with the following: Turmeric - it stops both hpylori and any burrowing types of bacteria and fungus adhering to the stomach lining so they get flushed out more easily.
Raw Garlic. It doesn't kill them but if it kills Candida and if you've been taking antibiotics, the candida has probably thrived. It also helps with the inflammation caused by HPylori.
Raw Ginger. Helps with inflammation. Coconut Oil. The mono-lauric acid in it kills h pylori and other bacteria
DGL. A raw form of licorice root. I had to order some from the US. It also helps with inflammation, kills HP, soothes and helps heal the gut.
Mastic Gum. Also kills HP A good strong probiotic... you'll need this especially if you've been on the tripple antibiotic therapy. It will restore the good bacteria which will compete with the bad ones and help kill them off.
L Glutamine. It can be a bit pricey. I began juicing cabbage juice which is high in it but it tastes horrible and it's a lot of effort. I ended up then getting one of those amino acid mixed powders f
from a body building place and then I ended up finding a liquid vitamin that had 2mg of L Glutamine in it. You probably should consider taking a liquid multivatimin anyway because the HPylori
will cause inflammation of the stomach lining which decreases absorption of nutrients. If you're taking PPIs or H2 blockers, nutrient absorption will also be reduced.
Alkalizing foods and in smaller portions. This will help with digestion also. Proper food combining. There are lots of charts online, just do a
search. It also helps to digest foods faster which will helps with healing the gut. That's what I can remember from the top of my head. At first, it
didn't make me feel better. In fact it made me feel worse because of the candida 'die off' effect. Apparently, they explode and release
horrible toxins that make you feel like utter crap. Eventually, though I got better. I had a really bad case of it, along with severe
gastritis. I'm talking so severe that I was hospitalized several times because I was unable to eat or drink water. I was so thin my ribs
were sticking out of my body about 5 cm. It hurt to lay down. Slowly though, I won that battle.
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Keebler
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- With glutamine, be very cautious about that as for those with lyme, it can be toxic & cause some nerve damage and hyper excitabilty.
Detail about glutamine and it's toxic nature to those with nerve tissue illness:
See post: Caution: Aspartate; Glutamine; and Phenylalanine (3 excitatory amino acids that can be wrong for us when added as supplements, beyond a normal dietary level)
Seaweed has its own natural MSG and can be very excitatory -
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Keebler is this similar to the lyme spirochete? Not exactly the same shape, but is lyme gram negative too?
H. pylori is a helix-shaped (classified as a curved rod, not spirochaete) Gram-negative bacterium about 3 μm long with a
diameter of about 0.5 μm. It is microaerophilic; that is, it requires oxygen, but at lower concentration than is found in the
atmosphere. It contains a hydrogenase which can be used to obtain energy by oxidizing molecular hydrogen (H2) produced by intestinal
bacteria.[16] It produces oxidase, catalase, and urease. It is capable
of forming biofilms[17] and can convert from spiral to a possibly viable but nonculturable coccoid form,[18] both likely to favor its survival and be factors in the epidemiology of the bacterium.
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Anyone else hear anything about mastic gum for lyme?
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Keebler
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- Q: Does mastic gum kill lyme?
I would never make that assumption but it may be helpful in ways other than actual "killing" - as a resin, it could be helpful in moving out toxic waste from the gut. A more natural cholestyramine of sorts.
As for whether it possesses antimicrobial properties, depends on the source & which study you consider. You'd need to talk to someone who has expertise in this area. I do not.
A LL ND would best be able to answer your question, though, and suggest the best source. For starters:
The Wiki link won't paste here. Go to Wiki and look up:
Mastic (plant resin)
Excerpt: . . . Mastic contains antioxidants and also has antibacterial and antifungal properties.[4] A Nottingham University study published in the New England Journal of Medicine claims that mastic can cure peptic ulcers by killing Helicobacter pylori bacteria.[5]
Other studies have indicated that mastic has only a modest ability to eliminate H. pylori but have also suggested that refining mastic by removing the polymer poly-β-myrcene may make the active components, particularly isomasticadienolic acid, more available and effective.[6]
Mastic may also have some value in preventing tooth decay[7] and gingivitis[8] as chewing mastic reduces oral bacteria. . . .
[then look up the sources of those statements, etc.]
Also look to MYRRH as it's also a resin and is said to possess some antimicrobial properties so it would be interesting to look as those in tandem.
Q: . . . Is lyme gram negative, too?
Yes. But that similarity may not mean as much as one might think when first reading it.
Q: is H pylori like lyme?
Well, some say it's a spirochete but there are many spirochetes and while there are some similarities in the "way they move" or such, it would be a stretch to equate it to lyme. Yet . . . we have much to learn.
A LL doctor would be best to answer your questions about this, though. -
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linky123
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Thanks for all the suggestions.
Has anyone made the cabbage juice? I don't have a juicer and wondered if a blender would work.
Not wanting to fork over the money for a juicer right now.
Will check into the H pylori as well.
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When H.Pylori gets out of hand it can cause more than just ulcers or a bit of stomach pain/nausea. Think neurological, ocular, leaky gut and a whole range of other problems.
H.Pylori and MTHFR issues amplify each other, thats important to know. It causes more imbalances in neurotransmitters for example.
Yasko finds H Pylori a very important factor when trying to deal with MTHFR issues, so she now focuses heavily on treating it.
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