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I have had a very good experience with choles. It helped with my migraines esp. It can be stool binding so you may want to balance it with magnesium citrate but I have been very thankful for being able to use it.
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Im tired of all the neuro and heroes I can't get through all due to dysbiosis-yeast.
Im hoping this mops up some toxins to calm things down.
Yes,I am worried about constipation and will be taking magnesium and extra water. HOPE
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Just be aware that you may need a lot more than magnesium and extra water. The constipation can be horrible!
Previous posts call tell you the stories. One person had to go to the ER.
So, starting slow is an excellent idea. Do whatever it takes to avoid constipation.
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Csm is being used alot now by those fighting mold illness. Its best to get the kind without sweetner. They start at 1/8 teaspoon a day and work up to 3-4 packets a day. Theyy take mag citrate an C to keep bowels going. Even occasional senna or other lax but as high as necessary with mag and c should work
Dont forget to take csm two hours away from.medicine and supps or they will detox out the meds
I was one hospitalized for constipation years go. Ten days. Because of that history they started me on welchol pwder. The pills are harder to tolerate. You start with same dose(1/8 tsp) but goal is to work up to one or two packets a day. So it is easier to take welchol but it is not as effective. Some do welchol first then switch to csm
There is a large number of mold patients who also have lyme but cant get rid of the lyme. When , on these drugs both mold and lyme sx go awsy. They believe tht is because lyme toxins are being removed
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tbh if you're really struggling with yeast and dysbiosis then cholestyramine is probably a very bad idea. You are removing bile. Bile is meant to control bacterial growth in the small intestine. So you are further degrading an already compromised GI tract.
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Im pretty confident in saying Ive done the anti yeast diet as stict as anyone for months on end with no substantial results yet as soon as I take any anti fungal agent I herd SEVERE after about 4 days
Yes I can take a tiny dose once a week and have done that but haven't made any progress.
Ive tried it all and should have made progress but haven't.
If I eat carbs I get worse,if I take any anti fungal I hex severe.
Hopefully I can continue CSM and see if its been toxic overload blocking my way all this time.
Second small dose in me about an hour ago. Hope some more
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I am cheering you on, joe. This could be the key!!
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Try to go slow and see how things go. Everyone is different.
Having said that, it really sounds like your dysbiosis is causing severe troubles when you are trying to kill of yeast. Know that yeast is a normal part of your gut flora, so there is both good and bad. Diflucan is not selective, it will kill a lot of fungal forms. And when fungal forms disappear, there's even more room for opportunistic pathogenic bacteria to grow and wreak havoc.
I would advice looking for things that make you feel better. Endless herxing is not the way to go, its just a sign from your body things are getting worse.
Have you ever checked the presence of good flora in your gut? Maybe you completely lack certain groups which will make fixing your gut very difficult. In this case prebiotics will just feed the bad guys and probiotics are just overwhelmed and cant colonize the intestine effectively.
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Im not sure what its called. Something like microbiome test, or comprehensive digestive stool analysis. So maybe yours was tested before? Did it show the levels of good bacteria and candida in your stool?
There is sadly nothing that kills only the bad and not the good. That is why its so hard to get rid of dysbiosis with killers.
quote:Now, here’s the really tricky thing or the catch-22 about this, which is generally the extent to which you react adversely to probiotics and fermented foods and prebiotics, which we’re going to talk about in a second, is roughly proportionate to how screwed up your gut is.
Are you still able to tolerate fiber or prebiotic foods? Like onions, leeks, beans etc? And did you have any improvement on the fecal transplants?
I think its difficult to see candida seperate from dysbiosis. When you have candida, you have a screwed bacterial composition. So what do the carbs feed? Could be candida yes, but dont rule out the bad bacteria yet since they go hand in hand.
Im not totally sure but i think some of the specific prebiotics feed just bacteria, not candida. Those are fructans (Inulin, FOS) and galactans. So perhaps you could do some experimentation with that?
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there were no flags in my stool analysis and Ive also had a couple of separate stool candida tests that all have come back negative.
Im not sure if its dysbosis from bacteria or fungal or both.
I do know for a fact that carbs feed them and send me off the deep end.
I do know I have a history of HEAVY atbx use, and a history of herding bad on any anti fungal agent I have tried and I have tried a bunch.
And thats what I base my diagnosis on,self diagnosed.
Negative tests on Sibo,h pylori,gastric emptying,celiac ,and on and on.
I did three fecal transplants with no herxing and also no results bad or good.
Havent a clue why I could do fecal transplants but can't tolerate probiotics.
I do know how severe I herx so just maybe Im not eliminating toxins well enough,don't know.
Im at a loss,worn out beyond belief but will keep trying.
Hopefully I can continue with the CSM and see what happens.
I will admitt to having not trying one thing and that is fermented foods to repopulate my gut because most of what I read on yeast says not to eat fermented food although there is a lot of contradicting info on that.
If I get no where with the CSM I will try fermented foods next.
Not much to lose and maybe some clues to gain as to whats going on.Be nice to catch a break.
Thanks for all input,God bless.
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Joe, just be sure you try only one thing at a time.
That is very important. You can be tempted to try two things at a time. I have been. But, it just adds confusion.
Hopefully the CSM is going to give you good results. Keep us posted!
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Yes like TF says, only one thing at a time.
However if fermented foods are on your wishlist, you may want to start preparing already. Kefir is quick to make, but sauerkraut takes 3-4weeks of fermentation. So if you want to make it yourself, dont wait too long.
Im not sure why there are stories that candida feeds on fermented foods. Perhaps they mean some kind of yeast fermentation (wine beer etc) and not lactic acid fermentation.
So you have a negative stool test on candida. So what makes you think you have it in the first place? Dont make the mistake to chase ghosts. A bad reaction to diflucan is not a confirmation you have candida.
Yes its very strange you can tolerate fecal transplants. Since they are just pure highly concentrated probiotics for your gut. The only thing that could make it different is the way of administration (oral vs rectal) and the possible addition of prebiotics to the probiotics. I assume you did the transplant correctly? Before the transplant: no fiber and sugar for 1-2weeks, a couple of days of water fasting, and a water enema to clear out old fecal matter. After the transplant start feeding the bacteria with good fiber (prebiotics). And i presume you werent taking any killers (including abx and herbals), right? Because why even bother with trying to establish new colonies if you are killing them off immediately...
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Sorry to hear that. Please go slow and dont force it.
I know i couldnt take it. The first day i took it was great, but then symptoms quickly spiraled out of control.
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"Resistant" yeast infection...show your doc this abstract (go to the link, highlight, cut and paste it into a MS word file and print it out for your LLMD):
Fluconazole assists berberine to kill fluconazole-resistant Candida albicans.
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