Topic: Effectiveness of Stevia Whole Leaf Extract Against Various Forms of B. Burgdorferi
Dekrator48
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From the European Journal of Microbiology and Immunology, 2015:
"EFFECTIVENESS OF STEVIA REBAUDIANA WHOLE LEAF EXTRACT AGAINST THE VARIOUS MORPHOLOGICAL FORMS OF BORRELIA BURGDORFERI IN VITRO"
From the last paragraph of the Discussion on page 11:
"In conclusion, the overall antimicrobial effectiveness of Stevia A extract on the different morphological forms of B. burgdorferi was comparable to the combination of certain antibiotics. Although the results of this preliminary study cannot be extrapolated directly to clinical practice, further follow-up studies are necessary which can address the safeness of Stevia and to further identify the most effective component(s) against Borrelia."
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Has anyone ever used this for bb?
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The purest form can be bought at bodyecology.com Actually Donna Gates owner of body ecology was the one who introduced Stevia to US. Have no clue of the effectiveness though.
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Then again purest form might not be the right choice since it has to be whole leaf extract, means extra virgin.
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We had a lyme conference here at a college near me at ACC and Dr. H was one of the speakers and he said stevia was a great biofilm buster along with maple syrup and cinnamon.
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Well, back when I was treated for lyme, there was no talk of biofilms. But, I ate the quinoa porridge on the bodyecology site daily. It is full of stevia and cinnamon.
I got rid of lyme over 10 years ago. Perhaps that porridge helped me.
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Is there a certain type or brand? Or are most forms of stevia, powder and tinctures, being used. All the Best, MattH
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I've been using this in my ice tea, instead of sugar. Not seeing much to indicate it does anything lyme fighting.
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I really dislike the taste of it, so if it's a treating remedy, I wonder if we can put it in capsules. The next question is, is if it's a biofilm buster, would there be any herx possibility?!
TF - cured by porridge!
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Are you'll talking about the sugar substitute you can put in tea and coffee?
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Yes the sugar substitute. I took 4 packets last Sunday over about 5 hours and I did feel like I was Herxing. I had no energy and just wanted to veg for a couple of hours. About 3 hours after my last Stevia packet (I put in water or ice tea) I started to get my energy back.
With a couple packets a day since then I am not noticing much of a Herx.
All the Best, MattH
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Thank you so much. I just bought some. I started reading the article, but my brain is not computing too well, so your answer helped.
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The Stevia "A" referred to in the study is one of these brands (liquid only):
Nutramedix®, Now®, Sweet leaf®, or Truvia®
I wish they would have identified which stevia brand was "Stevia A,"--- the one that was shown to be effective.
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Doesn't Truvia have other undesirable additives? I haven't seen a package of it recently...just relying on my memory.
I used Sweat Leaf for at least the past 10-12 yrs. I can no longer tolerate stevia though.
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I used the liquid Sweet Leaf Stevia Clear. It was recommended on this site. I bought it in a health food store.
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Yes, some of those other things contain maltodextrin and other non-stevia ingredients. Got to read the ingredients on the package.
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quote:Originally posted by WakeUp: The Stevia "A" referred to in the study is one of these brands (liquid only):
Nutramedix®, Now®, Sweet leaf®, or Truvia®
I wish they would have identified which stevia brand was "Stevia A,"--- the one that was shown to be effective.
It is NUTRAMEDIX, You give them letters LABEL in order they are mentioned i think.
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I have just begun to make a connection...
"Some of the artificial sweeteners on the market stimulate hormones which instruct your body to store fat, while others
***drive down your serotonin levels,***
which can bring on food cravings.
Stevia does NOT do this, so you can use with confidence."
"Chromium picolinate may also have a direct effect on brain receptors for serotonin. Previous studies have shown that in some depressed people serotonin receptors get too "sticky," fail to release their payload of serotonin and limit its availability. Chromium may help free up serotonin receptors."
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People with depression tend to have high, not low serotonin. It's the metabolite, 5HIAA, that tends to be low. When the metabolite is low, brain levels of serotonin are high.
This is what the actual research shows, but he makers of SSRI's do not publicly admit this. They want to sell drugs.
It's thought they work (for some) by tricking the brain into thinking it has less serotonin.
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Marnie the article is spot on about Stevia not signaling your body to not burn fat. I'm on a gluten free, low fat diet. People said when you go gluten free you will lose weight.
I wasn't losing weight but when I switched to Stevia from splenda to sweeten my tea or bake gluten free cookies. All I can say is wow, I dropped almost 25-30lbs and I'm currently wearing the same size pants I wore pre lyme and weigh the same as I was before I became ill.
Also I use Stevia sparingly so I don't think it effects my brain chemistry such as dopamine.
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Genetically...SERT (serotonin transporter) and MAOA may impact serotonin levels.
High (gut) serotonin levels are VERY symptomatic!
Wait till you have a kidney stone attack.
Or hyperemesis with pregnancy.
"5-HIAA is a breakdown product of a hormone called serotonin"
"Serotonin can be degraded presynaptically by mitochondrial monoamine oxidase A (MAO-A)
or extrasynaptically by glially expressed MAO-A
into 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA).
Once released, synaptic serotonin can be cleared by the serotonin transporter (SERT) or bind to one of seven classes of serotonin receptors residing on both the pre- and postsynaptic membranes."
SERT is genetically transcribed and is implicated in irritable bowel, obesity, autism, ADHD, bipolar disorder, and Tourette's syndrome. SERT modulates ***EXTRACELLULAR*** serotonin levels.
(Stored inactive in nerve cells/neurons.)
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Marnie
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Prozac maybe "toxic" to some individuals who genetically have low levels of MAO-A.
But not for most persons.
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quote:Originally posted by TF: Well, back when I was treated for lyme, there was no talk of biofilms. But, I ate the quinoa porridge on the bodyecology site daily. It is full of stevia and cinnamon.
I got rid of lyme over 10 years ago. Perhaps that porridge helped me.
Interesting because Quinoa has lots of SAPONINS in it(saponins kill live spirochetes) --- that coupled with the Stevia (kills all forms of borrelia) and the Cinnamon (kills biofilm) might have done the trick for you....Hmmmm... food IS medicine.
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quote:Originally posted by WakeUp: The Stevia "A" referred to in the study is one of these brands (liquid only):
Nutramedix®, Now®, Sweet leaf®, or Truvia®
I wish they would have identified which stevia brand was "Stevia A,"--- the one that was shown to be effective.
It is NUTRAMEDIX, You give them letters LABEL in order they are mentioned i think.
Thanks!! I guess the letters are part of the double blind scientific process. Right now I have a lot of Stevia powder to use up but may switch to Nutramedix liquid soon.
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quote:Originally posted by Marnie: Prozac maybe "toxic" to some individuals who genetically have low levels of MAO-A.
But not for most persons.
This just isn't accurate and I don't want anyone to be misled.
Research is finding that the SSRI's lead to treatment resistant depression (now called tardive dysphoria). How long it takes for this to happen varies from individual to individual.
High brain serotonin levels act as a neurotoxin and are absolutely not protective. According to at least one LLMD, Lyme patients cannot tolerate anything that increases serotonin levels for this reason. Their brains are already too compromised.
This particular LLMD is in Maryland and has a blog, if you want to read more.
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My sis is now "autoimmune" from lyme. She was/is on the highest doses of Prozac allowed.
She was misdx'd initially and given steroids prior to 3 years of abxs. You know what happened/happens.
She does NOT have "neuro" lyme.
My son cannot tolerate Prozac...it makes him MORE depressed.
I suspect HE has a SERT or MAOA (low) genetic problem.
This is just like Tamoxifen...the "active" cancer inhibitor is a metabolite OF Tamoxifen.
Just as the active metabolite OF Serotonin is what cures depression.
If you can't process Serotonin to its metabolite (low MAOA) - problem! Then it is toxic.
For my sis ("autoimmune")...Prozac was/is very helpful, but she looks to suffer now with antibiotic refractory lyme and her kidneys (leg edema) are impacted.
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I don't agree, and I've studied serotonin for over 20 years now. I also know about MAOA, etc..... Prozac (or any SSRI) simply isn't good for anyone, regardless of how it may provide provide symptom relief, temporarily.
I'm confused as to how your sister is "autoimmune" from Lyme but doesn't have neurolyme. All chronic Lyme is neuro to some extent. I'm also not a believer is Lyme being autoimmune. That's what the CDC and the infectious disease doctors would like everyone to believe. Post Lyme/autoimmune.
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It is called antibiotic refractory lyme.
The kidneys can be involved -> leg edema.
Treg (T regulatory) cells too low. They produce
TNFb1.
"Treg cells were functional in patients with antibiotic-refractory arthritis, and in some patients, ***higher numbers of these cells in SF appeared to participate in arthritis
resolution.***
However, as in the murine model, patients with antibiotic-refractory arthritis and
lower numbers of Treg cells seemed
unable to achieve resolution of synovial inflammation.
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I really don't care to go back and forth with this, and I have nothing to prove.
Your link regarding HBOT involved one person. I know many with (lab confirmed) chronic neuro Lyme who tried HBOT and it didn't work. I didn't click on your other links.
I don't think excessive posting translates into accurate information. I think we can just agree to disagree at this point.
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Would 5htp help with depression and whats that got to do with stevia.? Good points all around...i got vasculitis , which is neuro and auto immune in nature
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Blue, are you female?
Acute 17β-estradiol (= Estradiol )treatment down-regulates serotonin ***5HT1A receptor mRNA*** expression in the limbic system of female rats.
Estriol can be a weak or strong estrogen depending on if it is given acutely or chronically when given to immature animals, but is
an ***antagonist when given in combination with estradiol.***
If Estriol antagonizes estradiol...a good thing...VERY!!!
Because it is important for this to happen:
upregulation of the 5HT1A receptor mRNA.
Estriol and HBOT are used to treat MS also!!!
Lyme could possibly trigger MS (also Th1 driven). We come into contact with HHV6-A usually *as adults* and it triggers the reactivation of another virus too...EBV which can be latent in the thymus gland (where our B cells go to become T cells).
In addition, lyme also might trigger SLE. Persons with SLE have fewer Type 2 macrophages: M2a and M2c macrophages which would lower inflammation if they were up, but M2b are up and are believed to be the trigger for lupus.
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