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Is there a different delivery system you could use other than vaping as the propellants / vapor producers have been found to contain some harmful chemicals. And you'd never have to worry about a battery possibly exploding.

Some people with epilepsy use CBD oil just as drops under the tongue. It would be prepared a certain way, of course.
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The platium vape cartridges I use are just CO2 extracted, based in coconut oil with organic cannabis. No harmful chemicals that I know of...

You can vape with a vape pen or with a vaporizer, which you put the cannabis flowers in directly in the machine which then turns it to vapor without becoming a carcinogen(no additives at all).

There's much cheaper machines than the Volcano, I had a friend give me one, but can't remember what the name is, it's in my basement. I'd just rather do the vape pen with the platinum vape cartridges...

http://www.vaporizergalaxy.com/volcano-digital-vaporizer.html?gclid=CLGuvJyLsM8CFQIpaQodD3oBdg

But yeah, you gotta be careful with inhaling products of any sort. I know cannabis is considered to have healing properties, it still makes me wonder if it irritates our lungs.

I haven't smoked since I was like 16 and when I did, I did it like for a week. But I'd never do traditional vaping with all the crap thats out there, I'm still weary of claims like these.
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/01/11/3-studies-prove-vaporizers-good-lungs/

But for the most part, I think it's a better alternative for smokers like my girlfriend. I just do cannabis vaping 100% for the medicinal purposes which are pretty amazing, it's basically cured my sciatica, it slowly slowly went away.

Now it could come back if I get off, but like ILADs says, treat until you don't feel any symptoms left!

I was skeptic too of marijuna, never tried it till last year, but it works!!! Works beyond anything I've ever tried naturally too! Instantly you can feel the effects, compared to Turmeric or other stuff...

That's when I tell people, if you're not feeling any affects in your joints or pain within minutes with CBD oil, chances are it's weak industrial hemp.

The Special FX brand I use actually got me a high at first, it no longer does that. The high was nothing like the marijuana high, just a little euphoria for short 10-20 minutes that's all... Here's an image of it


A lot of the industrial hemp has THC .3 and lower, I'm guessing whatever this company does they use a high CBD cannabis plant, leave in a little THC, definitely more than .3 to keep the synergistic affect going. That's probably why they still just sell it at the dispensary, not online.

What's scary too is, a lot of the marijuana dispensaries in Michigan are starting to carry the industrial hemp sold online, a lot of them probably aren't aware of the difference.

I might just stick with CBD oil and RSO, but haven't decided yet. I think I felt the most affect on my sciatica with CBD, but you get the synergistic affect adding in THC vaping. It all works in my opinion!

You have to be aware the different strains of cannabis do different things, Joe Rogan talked about it on his show. Sativa can give you energy, while Indica can make you sleepy. Hybrid strains also made me sleepy, they all work good for pain, but at different levels.

Smoking is way to potent, at least with vaping you can do it in tiny little concentrates so you're not knocked out on the floor.

Right now I'm close to 90%, it's hard to tell if vaping marijuana is killing off the borrelia bacteria. I'll say this, I've had the same muscle twitching and symptoms I did with using antibiotics when I first got on them 5 years ago.

Is it herxing? Hard to say, considering this article, maybe...
http://reset.me/story/marijuana-the-super-antibiotic-of-the-future/

Still a matter of getting past the biofilms which most antibiotics cannot do, but if this stuff works as a powerful antbiotic,

it might be the best alternative we got compared to traditional antibiotics, as well as the other natural antibiotics that's available, which in my opinion are very weak.

Find another natural supplement that treats antibiotic resistant MRSA? They're might be some, but I'm sure it's overhyped!

Think about cannabis plants is, they've been bread over and over again with different strains to build a pretty powerful plant.

I can't believe how strong the odor is, considering if you grow it you could probably smell it a block away. Not many plants have same effect, something special with this plant.

And I'm downright pissed off I didn't use it earlier when I first contracted this disease. Sad it's been concealed by our government for decades, I guess we know now why, especially when you see the US government hold patents on it..

I beg you guys to watch the special Real Sports did on cannabis in the NFL. Sad this is the only video that shows the whole episode, but it's still watchable, there's short little clips in other place on YouTube, but this is the whole episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AccREj2l7c4

Dr. Raphael Mechoulam of Hebrew University of Jerusalem claimed mice were able to recover from a brain injury by 50%. The study was published by “three” major medical journals!

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Originally posted by Muscle Car55:
CBD oil is incredible, but that’s only if you buy the right brand! A lot of the CBD oil online is just industrial hemp, not the same thing as the CBD oil derived from a high CBD cannabis/marijuana plant, which Charlotte’s Web used to be.

I haven’t tried this new Charolttes Web version that’s being sold online by the Stanley Brothers, but from what I remember, the Stanley brothers claimed they bred a high CBD cannabis plant with a Hemp Industrial plant to conceive this “legal” product.

I honestly don’t think you’re going to get the same affect you will with a CBD oil that’s derived from a high CBD cannabis plant.

Many of these CBD oil companies know this, yet they still market these industrial hemp oils with big claims.

The major factor as I’ve found out through research, is keeping just enough THC in with the CBD to give synergistic effect, along with plenty of other cannabinoids and terpenes, which I assume a lot of these industrial Hemp plants are lacking.

Industrial Hemp is still very nutritious, high in protein, and has cannabinoids. But it's just no as potent as cannabis is for inflammation, as well as chronic infections like antibiotic reistant MRSA.
http://reset.me/story/marijuana-the-super-antibiotic-of-the-future/

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[qb] My young adult son is using CBD oil, but no changes in his symptoms have been noticed. His LLMD recommend using a stronger type of oil as well as looking into Medical Cannabis and referred us to Shelley White's book, "Cannabis for Lyme Disease and Related Conditions".

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Tried the CBD for 3 months with no neuro improvements. Was using one of the brands mentioned above but not sure it is the brand or me. I did not sense any changes what so ever.

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Don't give up hope with this stuff, believe me it works. You should feel some type of weird feeling in your head when you first get on the stuff, like a little bit of a high. I had a friend of mine try the CBD oil by Special FX and even he said he got high as a kite. It goes away after a month once your body gets used to it, but you should feel the effects instantly.

Some of the CBD oil I've bought by "Motor City Medicine" at a dispensary in Ann Arbor Michigan was tested by IRON Labrotories, it actually shows all the percentages on cannabinoids. As you see this CBD oil has .6 THC which makes it illegal. This stuff works great, you feel instant relief. The stuff you're buying online, no one knows the level of CBD nor the level of THC, THC might be nonexistant! And as you see with this CBD oil, it has CBD percentage of 53.5, that's pretty powerful. As well as other cannabinoids like CBG, CBN, CBDV, CBC... The industrial hemp online could be missing a lot of these cannabinoids, which prevents the synergestic effect you get with a high bred CBD cannabis plant, I just don't think you can get the same effect with industrial hemp! As I'm seeing in these statements by you guys, you're feeling nothing.

I tried this legal crap I bought at a Dispensary in Detroit, pluscbdoil.com it tasted like coffey and I felt no benefit, nothing! It's completely legal and can bought online, why some dispensaries are starting to carry this crap I don't know, I guess because it's labeled CBD and the dispensary owners think it's the same thing as the real high CBD cannabis stuff. But I'm sure people are buying it and thinking it's the same thing, it's not!

The industrial hemp even tastes different than the Special FX oil which I bought in a syringe like this PlusCBDoil stuff which is in a plastic syringe.


And honestly, I'm thinking of dropping the vape pen and going back to just the vaping machine, which heats up the whole flower so you get the whole effect. Like Keebler said, problem with oils and vaping pens is, they have to use solvents to strip all the cannabinoids off and terpenes, same way they do stuff like Cat's Claw which has alcohol in it. Some of these new products use CO2 which supposed to be better, but I believe you probably get more of synergistic effect if you vape the whole flower with a vaping machine that way it's in its most pure form.

But don't get me wrong, the Rick Simpson Oil(THC), CBD oils are still super powerful!!! They are a Godsend, I still use CBD oil with vaping cannabis Sativa. Oils have shown to shrink tumors and help pain time and time again. I'm just saying if you're going to do cannabis vaping/smoking, I would do the vaping machines like the Volcano that way you get the purest form, there's no unwanted additives, and it's not a carcinogen!

Anyways, I was like all of you 2 years ago, didn't know anything about cannabis and CBD oil, until I tried both of them a year ago and couldn't believe the relief I got with joint pain, sciatica, and even neurological thinking. I can think better now, think of things more on the spot that I could before. I still get those days where I have small brain fog, but it's a lot better.

I know I was a little harsh in previous posts chastising natural antibiotics like Samento, Cats Claw, some of the natural biofilm busters, and Rife Machines. Someone actually called me up anonymously must of got my phone number of my domain on the web, which I don't mind. But she thought I was completely against natural products. I'm not, I just think a lot of them are overhyped and you'd be wasting your money using some of them. Lets face it, a lot of this stuff is costly and the money could be used on other stuff like actual antibiotics and CBD oil/cannabis, stuff which has been proven to work in studies, as well as feeling it instantly. I still take Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Turmeric and garlic... I feel vitamins do work and they can slowly help you get back to your normal state with battling this horrible disease. But anyways, please dont take these statements the wrong way, don't want to get in another argument on here, maybe Rife machines do work, but I'm really skeptic on those machines, especially the ones bought on the web. Maybe the original machine did work! Maybe there's differences in the original to the ones on the web, just like we're seeing with the CBD oils. I don't know, but what I do know is things aren't so black and white with these treatments, there's a big gray are there...

There's something about cannabis, it might make you brain dead when using it. But maybe because it makes you think harder when using it, you're stimulating brain function or something, my friend came up with that theory. Or it just might help with brain function plain and simple.

And just remember, as Joe Rogan expresses on his popular show on YouTube. There's a big difference in the types of cannabis out there!!! I swear to God that Sativa type can give you energy and get you out doing things you normally wouldn't have the energy for, which most of you would benefit from with Lyme Disease. I noticed an improvement with my sexual drive as well when vaping Sativa based cannabis strains.

Indica and other hybrid cannabis works great for pain and neurlogical function, but as Joe Rogan said this stuff can make you extremetly sleepy and put you on the ground. Just like I stated with the CBD oil above, remember that your body is slowly adjusting to it. While you'll see a few side effects here and there like paranoia, maybe some hangovers, dizziness, of course highness as well. Your body will adjust and you'll handle it bettter.

Here's some interesting news, GW Pharmaceuticals, a British biotech company announced positive results on its latest Phase 3 clinical trial for its cannabis drug Epidiolex.

"GW Pharmaceutical Gets Closer To Forcing FDA On Cannabis"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/debraborchardt/2016/09/28/gw-pharmaceutical-gets-closer-to-forcing-fda-on-cannabis/#4adb188c22d9

And by the way, do make sure you check out Joe Rogan's channel men and lades on LymeNet. I know some of the stuff can be controversial on there and possibly angler/frustrate some people. But from time to time he's got some really really good nutritionists and naturalpaths on there like Chris Kesser. Rogan's a pretty open minded individual, very spiritual, very smart and an impressive memory bank where he can think of things right on the spot. Who would of ever guessed right? The guy from Fear Factor was so deep, lol... He even lights marijuana from time to time up on the show, lol. Anyways, be sure to check him out and this great clip here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2vNj8pshY

It would be great if he could of Dr. B, Dr. H, or someone from ILADs on the show one of these days. His podcasts can be 3 hours long! I'll message him and see if he'll do it!

Take care!

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Muscle Car,

I haven't yet read all of your new comments yet, but on Dr. B & Dr. H coming on a radio show about cannabis, they both have MD's in a state that is quite strict on cannabis, in spite of now finally having a medical MJ law. It is the most restrictive such law in the country, except for Minnesota which is also as bad.

They need to preserve their MD's, which has already been a horrific battle for both of them, esp Dr. B.

If Cuomo, the governor, who made the law so strict, had to spend just one night in the kind of pain that I'm in every minute, he'd run screaming to his doctor!!

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Originally posted by MattH:
Muscle Car,

Thanks for sharing your experience!!! I am glad your approach has worked well for you and I appreciate your passion to help others.

A bit of an explanation to provide a bit more clarity. I tried 3 different, highly recommended CBD oils at different times starting about 3 years ago and did one of those as a longer trial for about three months. I did not feel much if anything.

It may have been that I was pretty sick at the time and maybe I needed several years of the stuff. However between the cost and not getting results, I quit.

The ABX I took for over 3 1/2 years seems to have helped me get over Bartonella, but I am still dealing with Lyme. The ABX has caused a fatty liver condition so now I am dealing with pre-diabetes (elevated A1C and the symptoms).

I was stunned with the diagnosis so I again did a lot of research and read a couple books, websites and videos. About 60 days ago I started a Ketogenic diet and have lost some weight while I am cleaning up my body. It may take a good 4 to 5 months to really show great results (lower LDL, triglycerides, BP, reduced internal inflammation, reduced brain fog, and more energy). Thankfully I can currently operate well enough to do this diet and fight the Lyme (yes I still have those very bad and listless days).

Additionally I tried several months of an herb from Oregon that is illegal in many states that many Lyme patients were having success with. A very specific Lymie blend if you will. I did get to sleep better, had wild dreams, and seemed to sleep longer. However I did not improve against the Lyme, so after about another 3 months I called it quits. Also if I over-did it before bed, because it is a gooey mess to handle, I would be in slow motion for most of the morning.

I work 50 hour weeks most weeks so moving slow in the morning is an issue at work. I did lots of research, hung out on a Facebook site, and asked questions, and watch hours of videos. I wished it would have worked for me but to no avail.

So yes there may be that unique combination of bud that will help me but I have not experienced it yet. So it is back to numerous herbs, a Rife machine, and Ozone saunas. I still have some mercury detox to do and this diet will help with that also.

All the Best, MattH

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Muscle car, I'm not talking about big pharma I'm talking about university studies, many, which show it is immunosuppressive. This shouldn't turn into a huge political conspiracy theory.

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