My LLMD put me on Cowden Protocol, because I said no more ABx! Also doing high alkaline diet, which is great because I am not fond of meat anyway.
Day 5 for me - and all of the sudden, weird taste in my mouth, and white tongue. So of course it is Candida, but do you think this means it is clearing out?
I must say I have felt pretty darn good. No herxing except a muscle twitch here or there. It is definitely cleaning out my digestive system.
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It could be clearing it out. You probably had it from the abx. Are there starches or fruit in your diet?
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If it's in your mouth, it's all the way down.
Cowden also kills bacteria, right?
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I think thrush is just a dysregulated immune system. When babies get it it's not because of what they're eating; they just have immature immune responses.
I had angular cheilitis for a couple years before Lyme dx. Couldn't figure it out -- the dentist told me it was a vitamin deficiency. I wasn't on abx then and was on and off various "autoimmune" diets.
You can take coconut oil/caprylic acid if it's not that serious, but it can get really miserable if you let it go.
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Banderol does have some antifungal action as well as being antibacterial and Samento should not cause thrush.
If you suspect that the tiny amount of alcohol in the few drops you are on at the moment is a problem, you can put your drops in warm (not boiling) water for half an hour to encourage it to evaporate.
It may just be your diet, as Catgirl says, or if you have a heavy metal issue, the killing action of Samento and Banderol could be releasing some: candida and the metals seem to have a synergistic relationship. Are you taking the zeolite in tthe Cowden protocol?
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I think it means the yeast is clearing out, looking for new home since my intestines are being cleaned out (heftily by Cowden).
Catgirl: thank you for that, yes, I eat some fruit but not tons. I think I need to be careful - in fact, the Cowden states: "if you have received a long course or multiple short courses of antibiotics, then it is best to avoid ALL sugars and ALL high glycemic index foods from day 18 to day 78."
I'm on day 6, so I think I'll be hypervigilant about my diet on days 18 -78. It's not bad now, just some fruit.
Yes Tutu, Codwen is anti-bacterial as well as anti-fungal.
UKCarry: I have amalgam fillings. Dentist appt. tomorrow, to work out a plan to get those out. No zeolite that I see. Why?
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When I was on the Cowden protocol, part of the protocol was to take a Nutramedix zeolite product to sop up any metals released by the killing action of the anrimicrobials.
It looks as if that has been replaced now by Sealantro.
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Yes, sealantro is in there, and reminded me of charcoal. How did you do on Cowden, Carry?
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I think it is a well-thought out protocol, but I didn't notice improvements on it myself, despite having reactions to some of the herbs initially. I gave it about 16 or 18 months.
Having said that, I do still take Samento or cats claw sometimes and have kept the habit of taking antimicrobials and enzymes 30 minutes before lunch and dinner.
Don't be put off by my experience, as quite a few seem to do well on it. I see that Takuna is also on it now, but not when I was on it.
Sealantro sounds as if it must be a mixture of cilantro/coriander and a binder, which would make sense, as cilantro on its own is known to mobilise metals without binding them to escort them out.
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I'm glad you think Cowden is well thought out, because I just do what my LLMD tells me, LOL! I didn't research it much at all, except I know that herbs can do amazing things. I appreciate your take on it.
As for me: I'm a good healer. I have virtually no symptoms at this point, a twitch here and there. Live-able. I just want to clean out as much as I can. So doing the 70 day-ish protocol, and then reevaluating with my LLMD.
I have the thrush thing narrowed down to Sealantro, as that is on the protocol just every other day (at this time) and I didn't get thrush yesterday with no Sealantro the night prior, but did again today when I took Sealantro last night.
So bring on the Sealantro. Let's kill this candida!
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Sounds like a plan!
If Sealantro is an effective metal chelator, you will need to be consistent with taking anti-candida measures. I have found that it is sensible to rotate anti-candida herbals or other treatment.
Biotin in high doses (10,00 mcg) may also help to curb the tendency of candida to form roots that spread.
Good luck on Cowden. There is a Lyme Herbal group on Facebook that will give you an idea of other people's experience.
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Thanks Carry. I can't do FB in this political environment. LOL!
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I back Carry: anything that MOVES heavy metals may cause candida and fungi to thrive.
It happened the whole time for me.
But also, antimicrobials (abx or herbs) that kill Borrelia, bart, babesia may cause the same effect due to herxheimer.
Many bacteria thrive on heavy metals, and when they die through antimicrobials, they release such metals into circulation, then 'causing' fungal or candidal infections.
In short, any cleaning you do (anti microbial, anti parasitic, chelation) will put toxins on the move, and with these toxins are heavy metals and hidden candida that show up.
In dr. K's words: chelation makes candida and microbes lose their hiding place, then must become active to survive.
By becoming active again, they though become exposed to your immune system (or your anti microbials).
I've seen that so many times that I'm pretty sure of what I'm talking (I mean, from own experience).
Layer by layer, we keep on cleaning the house!
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