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I am currently taking ABABS by Bryon White. Please if you have used this or are on it, what dose did you start with and how fast do you keep increasing it? I was told to titrate up to 20 drops per morning and 20 drops per night. Seems like a lot to me but I am new to this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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- You would start with just a couple drops and increase slowly.
That amount might take a while to work up to it - go at what feels right for your body. As for what others do / have done, that can be helpful yet be sure to stay in touch with your own LLMD for any questions. Sometimes, the nurse there will be able to help for quick phone questions, too.
You likely have already studied the formula's home site yet, just to be sure:
Our formulas are very potent. Taking small amounts in the beginning of use is often enough to produce results, according to practitioners.
Our Immune Support formulas should only be used while under the care of a medical practitioner trained in the use of our formulas.
Likewise, it is recommended that you be on our detox and support formulas protocol while taking any of our Immune formulas, for optimal results . . . . . . .
How To Take the Formulas
Shaking the bottle well is very important. It mixes the micronized herbs with the liquid extract.
We also suggest that the bottle be succussed by hitting the bottom of the bottle on the palm of your hand 6 times before taking.
Put the amount of drops you are taking in a small amount of filtered water (1/4-1/2 ounce is sufficient) in a glass or ceramic cup.
Swish the glass (do not stir it with anything metal). Do not mix with juice.
Hold the formula in your mouth for 30-60 seconds. (This allows the formula to absorb into all the energetic pathways and increases absorption)
The BWFs are best taken on an empty stomach or 20-30 minutes before or after eating.
The formulas should be taken away from oral medications and Rx’s by at least 2 to 3 hours.
Please take the BWFs at least 20-30 minutes away from supplements, food, beverages, or other
BWF formulas or homeopathic remedies, as these formulas are a very specific recipe.
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- I could not find ABABS at their site to see ingredients to determine if it's herbal or homeopathic. But since they mention homeopathics, it's important to know if this is.
Mint, coffee, cocoa other strong substances can negate homeopathic remedies. Even in toothpaste, usually mint should be avoided when using daily homeopathic formulas. Ask your doctor about this.
Editing to add, after looking around some more, it seems that it's more about timing than avoidance.
By Mary Beth Watkins and Eric L. Foxman, R.Ph. with American Association of Homeopathic Pharmacists
Excerpts:
. . . There has never been a scientific study showing peppermint adversely impacting a homeopathic treatment.
A few homeopaths have alleged that homeopathic treatments have been totally inactivated by coffee, peppermint or garlic when the medication was taken too soon after eating these foods or other spices with strong smells or tastes.
It is possible that the lingering taste of foods or flavors interferes with the adequate absorption of homeopathic medicines through the mouth’s mucous membranes; therefore, the homeopathic medicines do not reach the blood stream properly and their effects are lost.
At the same time, the subtle effects of some homeopathic medicine may be overwhelmed by the immediate presence of caffeine or menthol, which possess strong physiological action of their own.
It is always best to take homeopathic medicines in a clean mouth free for food or flavor. It’s a good idea to wait at elast 10-15 minutes after eating or brushing teeth. And if the food flavors linger, rinse the mouth with water before taking a homeopathic medicine. . . .
. . . So, don’t skip the mint! Feel free to drink mint tea for a refreshing lift, to brush your teeth with a mint toothpaste, even use a minted soap or shampoo. Growing peppermint in the garden or on a window sill makes a wonderful addition to iced tea or salads.
But — since homeopathic medicines can be very subtle, give the remedies a chance to begin their healing action; and later in the day then enjoy aroma-therapy, garlic, spices, herbs and teas and gain the full benefit of all. -
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- While they don't have ABABS anywhere to be found.
If this might be the one, then the ingredients show no homeopathic ingredients so unless you are taking other homeopathics, mint would be fine to enjoy.
This is a tincture formula; ingredients are all herbal in nature:
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Thanks Keebler for pulling this up for me. I think I am going too fast with these drops. My llmd last week said to go back to seven drops, which is where I left off a week ago and then she told me to stop them until I saw her, so she said go back to 7 drops in the am and then try to do 7 drops in the pm. then add one drop to each every few days until I reach 20 drops twice a day. That seems like a lot to me and way too fast.
I am struggling for sure yet determined to beat this stuff. She wanted to rerun the igenex test on the babesia duncani to see if the igm changed. Unfortunatley I cannot afford another 200.00 right now since I just paid for all the coinfection testing through them only a few months ago, so I declined at the moment.
She said she wanted to see if the number (40) went up or down and that sometimes your own system can rid the babesia itself. Does this make any sense to you Keebler. How is that possible? She took me off mepron and put me on doxy for the lyme.
I am at wits end with this honestly. I feel terrible. The anxiety/sweating/shaking/headaches every single day are terrible and I believe its all part of herxing.
She said to do Epson salt baths, drink lemon water and get alka seltza gold which I will do today. Maybe I am not detoxing enough.
She is also the one who suggested I go on lamictal and I said I will not go on that horrible drug. I am still taking my Ativan and sticking with it until I found a better solution.
She also suggested I see a neurologist for my headaches, off/balance stuff, etc., which I did yesterday and boy what a joke that was. He told me he didn't believe in chronic lyme and whatever else I have. He was not lyme literate and told me there was nothing wrong with me. He did a few labs which he didn't disclose what and said to call him in a week. He told me to stay away from lyme doctors and that he would run his own lyme and babesia test and if positive, send me to an infectious disease doctor. Needless to say, I was in tears leaving that appointment. Such a waste of my time.
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- In my opinion you do not need another babesia test. And, geez, I never heard of the distinction the doctor (whom I doubt really is LL) makes regarding high or low positive. That is ridiculous. It's there, whether high or low positive, it's there for crying out loud.
Babesia can be notoriously hard to treat, it's very complex, requires combination and changed rotations for months and, often, more months. The treatments you describe have been very minimal, band aid approaches to date.
And you have the complication of weaning off of a very rough & tumble psysch Rx so you may not be able to move into the ideal treatment for Babesia just yet.
You do not need another test at this very early stage of treatment.
What might be more helpful is to check for anemia and if that's a problem, get onto the herb stinging nettle or perhaps a specific kind of B12 or other nutrients as a good support to help with that part of it while also addressing the infection part of this protozoa.
Keep in mind that anyone who has ever had babesia is not supposed to donate blood - for the rest of their life -- or donate body tissue at the end of life. That's how impossible it can be to determine if it's ever "gone".
Not to say that others have not had successful treatment. That is possible.
Still, two months is a drop in the bucket especially since the treatment path has not been able to be as direct as would be ideal.
By the posts of yours I've followed, the symptoms you describe are classic babesia - even if you have the complication with weaning off the Ativan.
". . . just had an igenex test come back and my babesia duncani igm was 40. my llmd said it was positive but not a high positive.
My big symptoms for the past year have been terrible anxiety, night sweats, shaking, feeling very messed up emotionally.
She wants me to start mephron and zirthomax. anyone have any thoughts on this treatment plan because she thought the number should be much higher than 40 because of the severe symptoms and how long I have had it, about a year." (end quote)
in another post, you reply to a poster:
"yes I am drenched every night. I also have severe air hunger and breathing issues. My llmd said to start the medication and see what happens. . . . " (end quote) -
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- I know no other way to say this - so please hear a caring and neutral / factual tone:
You are going to have to become much more lyme / babesia / TBD educated in order to figure out how to work with other doctors when you go for any added information they might be able to offer.
You have become very clear in this so that these encounters don't toss you off the sidewalk, so to speak.
It took me years to figure that out. But once I did it became easier to offer respect in advance (with a statement of fact about the lyme /TBD for background info. and a remark letting them know I'm not there to ask them to treat lyme / TBD) to some specialists for what they did know that could help as well as learning to
compartmentalize when a lyme ignorant doctor lectured me . . . yet I might be able to take results from a certain test to help as information.
Mostly, though, I learned to vet any potential new "other" doctors before even setting foot in their office. If I knew they were very much anti-lyme, I knew that lack of knowledge would not allow them the expertise to distinguish fully between what is lyme / TBD and other things. And then I just did not go.
I'm sorry that either you did not see the posts that warned you, tried to prepare you for what to expect and shore up yourself, etc. before you saw this neurologist. Or, maybe it's all just overwhelming and hard to believe what those posts tried to warn you about.
Please connect with all the ILADS minded lyme support groups within a reasonable radius to you so that you can establish connections with others about the options regarding both a new LLMD, LL ND . . . as well as other specialists should you need to consult for "other" reasons. -
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Book: "How Can I Get Better? An Action Plan for Treating Resistant Lyme & Chronic Disease"
By an ILADS LLMD, Dr. H - February 14, 2017
You can look inside the book at the link.
Though not apparent by scanning the table of contents, there are 62 inside-the-book search results for babesia so it appears much thought on this protozoa is included.
Copy & Paste the author's name to YouTube to see some of his lectures. -
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- Regarding the emotional aspect & how you were treated, what you were told at the neurol. appt. - my energy is very limited but wanted you to know that
yes, indeed, such experiences can be beyond stressful and demeaning (in, oh, so many ways). And it's also very common. Your experience has many such of the same bubbling back to my memory - and to my very gut, my emotions. Many here have been told similar or worse -- and that's why you may see the advice shared here.
About those tests that you had. Yes, call them next week. But also - at that time - talk to the office person in charge of sending out the paper copies of testst ot pa'
get your own apper copis. hands nmbe. must sotp -
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Very sorry to hear about the stupid neurologist ... arrggghhh...
Mine is from India and he actually said, "Oh, you had Lyme. That explains a LOT of things!" The doctors educated in the USA are lacking a lot of knowledge about simple things.
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My LLMD told me to start with 1 drop 2X/day once a week, then move to 1 drop 2X/day twice a week, then 1 drop 2X/day three times a week, etc. until I got to 1 drop 2X/day every day.
Then you move up to 2 drops, 3 drops, etc until you max out at 20 drops/day.
The formula is so potent and if you have detox problems you may have to go very slow.
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thank you very much for this information. I was told somewhat the samething but your llmd is doing it much slower than mine. Hopeandfaith, are you doing anything to detox? What are we suppose to do, like Epson salt baths, lemon water, etc. How long have you been on this and how many drops are you up too?
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