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been
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Hi All,

Last night while doing my nightly check for ticks on my kids I found a tick embedded in my 6 yr old son's head.

I immediately pulled it out and saved it.

I suspect it wasn't there for long possibly 2 hrs.

Tick wasn't engorged and there was NO blood when I pulled it out.

A small red mark was present from where the tick began to break the skin.

Since there was NO blood should I get him on abx as a precaution?

Thanks in advance,

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It's a difficult decision. There was no blood in the tick that got me sick and it was attached for less than 6 hours. I did get sick though with a fever, but didnt' recognize it as being Lyme so wasn't diagnosed for 3 more years.

Draw a circle around the red mark so you can see if it grows.

My LLMD's opinion is that you treat for a tick bite if you live in an endemic area.

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@Six, Thank you for your input and I agree.
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Very tiny ticks usually will not show blood. The moment they bite, they already may inject whatever nasty they have.

I've got about AT LEAST 72 tick bites so far (in the last 12 years). I must say that not every bite made me ill, but many did, and it was independent of the time the tick bit me. At least, that is my general impression.

it has nothing to do with having blood or not, as some are so TINY, we can barely see their legs.

The 1st one that made my 2 year old sick bit her on her head. I pulled it next day after she woke up with tummy ache and in bad mood.

No one believed this was a tick, until I let it run on the table. It did walk, and after I smashed it, I couldn't see really blood. It was there the whole night, for sure, as she had played in the country side the day before.

So blood or not blood, that is not the question!

The questions are:
- is the tick infected or not?
- is the immune system of your son strong enough to fight the infections, even if it is infected?

Just as preventative, I would rub some killer essential oils 4-5 times a day on the site, plus tape some garlic slices in the night, for about 2 weeks.

And put him on Buhner's herbs, the ones he suggests after a fresh tick bite. Just in case.

If you can, add a stronger dose of Vit D3, Vit C (I use liposomal, it's incredibly strong), magnesium, keep his diet clean and nutritious for at least 1 month (no sugar, junk), give some liver supplement (like milk thistle), possibly MSM daily or chlorella, increase zinc (for the immune system), add Omega 3 (for the nerves and brain), propolis (tasty), eleuthero and/ or echinacea.

Think of it as if a strong flu virus would be around for one month, and do whatever comes to your brain that would help his immune system.

Good luck!

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@Brussels thank you for your input! Can you list the killer essential oils you're referring to?

I have Buhner's herbs on hand and all the supplements you mentioned.

Also, as a side note this was a mature tick not a nymph.

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I don't think it makes any difference on the blood. Treat if you can find a willing doctor.

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I was shocked to find a fully engorged tick in my armpit early one morning in December.

I panicked, squeezing & pulled so hard on the tick that it ripped of causing a bleeding gaping wound.

Of course I screamed & threw the tick in the toilet.

As soon as the tick flushed away, snap, I woke up!!! And I wept cause I knew that was so stupid & wrong in every way.

Crazy what can happen when your not awake & your mind goes in fight or flight mode.

I’ never had any of my tick bites bleed before that. They have always left a distinct bite

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Been, I use Olbas oil, that has some strong peppermint inside. I suppose any antimicrobial oil that is strong can be rubbed (but you may have to dilute it a bit, if it's something like oregano oil, thyme oil, for example).

Just read how much one should dilute. Lavender is mild, but I don't know if it is really strong. I find peppermint is strong enough, and Olbas has 3 more oils(if I remember well) mixed with peppermint, so it may be not a bit problem.

If you don't find the info, write again!

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It's a myth - a lie, really, that a tick has to be attached for any length of time. The instant the skin is broken and mouth parts make contact, that's the instant that a tick can infect.

It may not, and it may not be an infected tick, though, especially for any tick that has had a previous blood meal of any mammal, infections are not magically kept locked up for any number of hours after they bite the next meal.

Also know that there are other tick-borne infections to consider.

https://sites.google.com/site/virginialyme/ticks/how-long-to-transmit

Bite Transmission time for Bb and other TBD


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4278789/#b19-ijgm-8-001

Int J Gen Med. 2015; 8: 1–8.

Lyme borreliosis: a review of data on transmission time after tick attachment

Michael J Cook - 2014 Dec 19

Excerpt:

. . . Mechanisms for early transmission of spirochetes have been proposed based on their presence in different organs of the tick.

Studies have found systemic infection and the presence of spirochetes in the tick salivary glands prior to feeding, which could result in cases of rapid transmission.

Also, there is evidence that spirochete transmission times and virulence depend upon the tick and Borrelia species.

These factors support anecdotal evidence that Borrelia infection can occur in humans within a short time after tick attachment. . . .

[Full article at link above]
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