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Judith16
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HI,

My LLMD told me on my last visit that while I have Lyme Disease I should never have a root canel. He told me it can make the Lyme worse.

Has anyone ever heard of this, and if so what is the story here?


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Absolutely. Root canals are strongly discouraged. Do a search here. It has been discussed many times.

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Really? I have never heard this. Of course, I am not positive I have Lyme, but do have a good chance. I just had a root canal I guess a year or more ago.

What kind of affect can a root canal have on Lyme?

Umm...that makes me think now. How are the two related?

Interesting subject and I am glad someone brought this up. I would have never known this. Thanks!

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Wondering if anyone knows what the alternative would be instead of getting a root canal?

Do you have the tooth pulled?

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Not until I paid attention to cavitations, a word I had no idea what it meant, and root canals, was I able to be cured from Lyme and all infections. Mercury was nothing new to me, but that I could be supplying the playground for all the anaerobic critters (they need no oxygen to multiply) inside my jaw/sinuses and at places where I used to have wisdom teeth removed forty years ago, all that came as a shock. Today, I know that that is the reason many Lyme sufferers keep on suffering.

I just found this article again and thought it might be helpful to some.

CAVITATIONS AND ROOT CANALS

Dr. Meinig: Well, we were talking about the fact that he didn't know about double-blind studies and what he did instead. He knew that he could introduce his own thinking into what he was doing and so he repeated a lot of things.

For instance he had a patient who had kidney trouble and had a root filled tooth. He removed that tooth, put it under the skin of a rabbit, the rabbit got kidney trouble and died within a few days. He took the tooth out of that rabbit, surgically of course, and washed it in soap and water, disinfected it with a disinfectant and put it under the skin of another rabbit and that rabbit got kidney trouble and passed away. He then took that tooth out of that rabbit and put it in another rabbit and he repeated that 30 times.

Laura Lee: The same tooth?

Dr. Meinig: That's right. The same root filled tooth. Now the reason he did that was that he had to prove to himself and to the world that this infection was able to be transferred and the only way he knew it was to do more animals and it wasn't that he disliked rabbits, in fact he took very good care of his rabbits, but this was one way he could do something about it. Now one of the things that happens with these root filled teeth is that when they are removed it is very often that periodontal membrane that is infected and the surrounding bony socket remains in the jaw and sometimes healing gets rid of that but many times it doesn't. And what happens then is an infection that occurs in the jawbone and I think we should turn this over to Dr. LaMarche because he's going to be telling you something about that phase of things.

Laura Lee: And the term cavitation. Dr. LaMarche...

Dr. LaMarche: Well cavitation actually is a cavity within the bone which was formerly occupied by a tooth. I think it's important that our listeners know that our office is one of 30 in the United States, Canada and Europe that have been selected to participate in a research group called the North American NICO Research Group. NICO is an acronym - Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational Osteonecrosis. Which is another word for dead bone, actually it literally means a cavity within the jaw that is lined with dead bone that causes pain.

Our research group was formed by Dr. Jerry Eboco who is an oral pathologist in West Virginia, and he began researching this extensively in I believe early '90s. Papers have been written on it since the '80s, and more recently he's been pursuing this and he gathered together a group of dentists so that we could make the connection between trigeminal neuralgia, atypical facial pain, chronic migraine headaches and cavitations. And what we have found in addition to this is when cavitations are removed, not only do we find that these trigeminal neuralgia's or this pain is relieved, but we find that patients also realize other improvements within their systemic health.

Laura Lee: How do you remove a cavitation, what do you mean by that? Remove the dead bone?

Dr. LaMarche: Well, cavitations do not show up extremely well on X-ray, but when they are located and maybe a little bit later we can describe how we locate them, but a cavitation is...an incision is made in the gum tissue over where a tooth was formerly located, a large enough area or flap is laid so that the gum is removed from the bone and we are allowed to penetrate the cortical plate or the bone overlying the cavitation. The dental instrument, in this case a drill, will actually fall through the bone and into this cavity. Before we clean it out, however, we go in with an instrument called a curette and scrape it very thoroughly and we submit this sample to the pathologist.

Laura Lee: What kind of lab results do you often get?

Dr. LaMarche: Well, I would say that probably 98% and even larger than 98% what we find is what's called ischemic osteonecrosis, it's bone death due to poor perfusion of oxygen or blood supply to a local area. The cavitations are lined with dead bone, the body's response to that is to...

Laura Lee: Seal it off!

Dr. LaMarche: Seal it off, it does that with fat, we will find fat in there. Ultimately the fat becomes calcified so we see what's called calcific fat necrosis. We will sometimes see chronic inflammatory cells, however that is not the hallmark of this disease, as a matter of fact we see few inflammatory cells - many times we'll see bacteria colonies, toxide filaments, within these specimens. I think another very interesting thing that we have learned from this through our biopsying is that the pathologist will identify what he terms fibrin sludging. That is the fibrin will actually start pooling.

Laura Lee: What is fibrin?

Dr. LaMarche: It is the part of the clotting factor and there is some proteins - C proteins, S proteins...

Laura Lee: From blood that was in there when the tooth was pulled?

Dr. LaMarche: Exactly. What happens is the blood initially comes into the site but because of the body's inability to break down the clot or because of the body's ability to make a very tenacious clot - one has either what's called thrombopheha or hypofibrinolysis. Laura Lee: Whichever it is, it doesn't sound nice.

Dr. LaMarche: Either one of them, one of them is a very tenacious clot or an inability to break the clot down, consequently nothing gets in, nothing gets out, we have bone death.

Laura Lee: Why does it happen in the jaw bone 98% of the time? If someone breaks their leg bone, that bone heals up nicely in most instances. Why does the body have more trouble with the jaw bone tooth extractions than say other parts of the body?

Dr. LaMarche: That's a very good question. I believe that when a bone is broken and two pieces are put together that's a different kind of...

Laura Lee: There's no space left.

Dr. LaMarche: Exactly, however what has been done in the Jewish Hospital in Cincinatti, a Dr. Glick, MD has made a direct correlation between the head of the femur, people fracturing the head of the femur, that osteonecrosis or bone death is identical to that which we find in the jaws.

Laura Lee: Because that's a more solid part of the bone, a denser part of the bone? What is it about that site?

Dr. LaMarche: I would say that probably it has more to do with the circulation to the area.

Laura Lee: Okay.

Dr. LaMarche: Again, osteonecrosis as we see it is defined as ischemic osteonecrosis and ischemic implies that it is a lack of perfusion of blood to the site.

Laura Lee: In both cases it's a lack of oxygen that leads to the mutation of the bacteria, they go from being aerobic to being anaerobic bacteria in root canal instances. And here you find a lack of oxygen to the site so there is a common factor. How often do you find where you take out an infected tooth, say a root canal tooth, either it's infected and you say I don't want to put a root canal in, let's pull it and do other options, or it's a root canal infected tooth that you pull - probably you're going to have necrotic tissue arising because it's so full of bacteria, or that compared to say a wisdom tooth that needs to be pulled for other reasons, it's not infected or impacted - it just needs to get taken out.

Dr. LaMarche: That's what we're now recommending no matter why you have to take a tooth out - even if it isn't infected, then a protocol needs to be followed and that protocol means that the dentist after he removes the tooth he also removes the periodontal ligament or membrane which is a fibrous tissue that holds the tooth in the socket, that's what keeps the tooth from failing out.

That becomes infected and it's still attached very securely to the surrounding bony socket and so what we recommend is that the dentist go in with a slow moving drill and remove that periodontal membrane and about 1 mm of the bony socket in order to prevent these infections from occurring. And strangely enough we find in many areas for instance, wisdom teeth when they're removed, even though they were healthy teeth - for some reason or another they very often develop a cavitation around them.

Some 400/0 of all wisdom teeth extractions develop cavitations and the thing that should be done and what we're thinking is better to be done, is to remove that periodontal membrane at the time you remove the tooth and some of the surrounding bone in order to prevent this from happening.

Laura Lee: Well, that's great when you're getting a tooth extracted by a dentist that knows this research and knows the procedure, but what about all those people who have wisdom teeth? I mean most of us have had our wisdom teeth extracted and they've grown over and the dentist didn't know and so then you have a situation where you probably have to go in again and clean that out as you were describing. We'll take a break and take some phone calls when we come back and what we're going to do is have information only about the topic - cavitations, root canals, nutrition.

These are the topics, and please don't get too personal and ask for a diagnosis. That's not what these two doctors are here for, but to give out information on some of this new research. We'll be right back.

Laura Lee: And we are back, hi, Laura Lee here and we are talking with Dr. Michael LaMarche, dentist in Lake Stevens, Washington area and Dr. George Meinig. He's the author of Root Canal Cover-up, and you were in Ojai, California. We have some calls for you gentlemen, we have Call calling in next. Hi, Call, thanks for joining us.

Gail: Thank you. A couple years ago I had a root canal done and as soon as it was done it didn't feel very good and I kept telling them I thought something was wrong and they told me it was a great root canal and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. And I've had a lot of pain in my right ear, and the jaw as a result and I can't find a dentist that's willing to take that tooth out. I've been to three endodontists and five dentists and no one will pull that tooth, because they look at it and say it's a great root canal. So my question is - where can I find a dentist in my area that will actually look at this and possibly extract that root canal tooth, it's a bicuspid.

Dr. LaMarche: Can I ask what area she's in?

Laura Lee: You're in Tacoma, Washington, Gail?

Gail: Yeah.

Laura Lee: Michael, you mentioned that there were 30 dentists involved in the cavitation research, what about the root canal research? How many dentists are there out there that are up on this and familiar with the work?

Dr. LaMarche: Well currently, right now, in the research group there are 30 of us, and I'm sure that there will be more.

Laura Lee: Can dentists anywhere say "I want to get involved, I want to find out?" They're looking for more dentists?

Dr. LaMarche: Yes, if they would contact you perhaps you might connect them up with me and we could make arrangements for them to communicate with Dr. Bocho so that they could learn more about this because certainly we need more involved....

Laura Lee: Is there a list available so that someone could send...I'11 be happy to distribute the information, but if there's a list then our listeners in San Francisco to Minneapolis could also write in and get a list of dentists.

Dr. LaMarche: Exactly. Dr. Bocho did ask those of us participating in this research if we would have any objections to him giving the names out and I cannot recall that anyone raised their hand and objected, so I'm sure that he would provide you with that list.

Laura Lee: And Dr. Meinig do you have any sort of list of dentists who are up on this?

Dr. Meinig: I have a list of dentists that I refer. This is such a new subject many dentists are in disagreement with it of course, because they haven't heard or seen the research.

Laura Lee: They may disagree until they see the research...

Dr. Meinig: We do have a scattering of them around the country and the only thing is that when we give you a name, the first thing you ask is whether they follow the root canal extraction protocol. Now that may sound like a lot of things to say, but if you just ask if they follow the extraction protocol and they say "yes," then fine. If they say "no," then you keep looking, because what you want is somebody that does follow that protocol.

Dr. LaMarche: I would like to add too to this, if I may, that it's very important that you have that biopsy. I think to take the tooth out, to say we've taken care of your problem, or to remove a cavitation and to say that we've taken care of the problem is incorrect without substantiating the clinical diagnosis with a pathologist's report.

Laura Lee: So what do you find out? If you had any bacteria colonies, then what? Then what do you do?

Dr. LaMarche: Well, let me say that for example root canal teeth radiographically on X-ray - they look beautiful, and there are those people that don't believe that they cause a problem and probably they don't cause a problem when one is healthy and in a healthy state. I think when root canal teeth become a problem is when one becomes older and there are more immunological challenges. Each root canal tooth that we have removed we have documented on the last 150 - 147 of those have had ischemic osteonecrosis around the tooth.

Dr. Meinig: Is it in the bone around there?

Dr. LaMarche: That is in the bone surrounding the tissue. Laura Lee: Not to mention the tooth itself, right?

Dr. LaMarche: By the way, the trichologist (fungal scientist) also decalcifies the tooth and examines if there is any necrotic or dead tissue within the tooth and some ofthese have been extremely well filled, well done technically.

Laura Lee: Okay, we have Mike calling from a car phone before he gets out of range. Hi, Mike.

Mike: This has been a very interesting topic. My wife is suffering from a probable root canal, but my question is: the research that they did with the animals where they implanted a tooth - how it had affected the kidneys which was the thing of the original patient or whatever - I wanted to know if the original human patient got better or saw improvement after that and after the infected root canal tooth was pulled out.

Dr. Meinig: Sorry I didn't answer that right away. We get so involved in telling what's wrong we forget about telling you what happens. Most of these people recover quite quickly, a little of it depends on how long they've had the infection. Obviously if they've had it for five or ten years it may be pretty well entrenched and take a while to get rid of it and may not get rid of it completely. Most of them however, go away completely and so many of them in one or two days, it's really very startling.

Some of us are beginning to think that it's a little more than the transfer of infection and it may be electrical in some way, electrical transference through the acupuncture meridians and through other systems in the body. There are a number of things we don't know about this, other than we do know that it happens and very many people by the next day - their arthritis is gone. I've had them call and tell me that they can now do their mile jogging and walking that they couldn't do yesterday when they had that tooth in their mouth.

Laura Lee: To me it seems like "hedge your bets." If there's this kind of research on line, take advantage of it and this information. Hi, Laura Lee here for a second hour to spend with Dr. George Meinig and Dr. Michael LaMarche talking about cavitations, that space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted can lead to having necrotic dead bone tissue there, can lead to jaw pain, neck pain, other problems. And also root canals, the theory being that, in fact this is pretty much confirmed, it's not really a theory, it's confirmed science, is it not, Dr. Meinig?

Dr. Meinig: Well, Dr. Price used 5,000 animals to help with all of this confirming.

Laura Lee: And he ran through those rabbits. The research indicating that microtubules in the tooth can harbor bacteria that mutate and that can get out into the bloodstream and cause problems and compromise the immune system and lead to degenerative diseases



So, we're going to find out what to do, how to prevent problems and the first place is - nutrition can play a role. I know that you also did some extensive research with Dr. Price's theory that nutrition impacts the development of the jaw and the person, the personality. An extraordinary amount of research done that is being confirmed today.

By the way, someone wanted to know about getting a list of dentists in your area that is upon this research and can perform some ofthese techniques. There is a list from Dr. Bocho who is heading up the NICO research of which Dr. LaMarche is a member, one of those 30 dentists nationwide who is conducting research into cavitations. And that's one reason why you're doing the biopsies and sending it to the lab, because that's part of the research. You want to know...

Dr. LaMarche: May I add something here - that Dr. Bocho and our group has applied for a grant and we are waiting to hear from NIH, the National Institutes of Health, regarding acceptance of this grant. And it looks as though they're very excited in supporting us in our research.

Laura Lee: So this is very mainstream then?

Dr. LaMarche: Yes, it is.

Laura Lee: It's not alternative research when we have the National Institutes of Health involved.

Dr. LaMarche: No. This makes very good sense, what's happening, and you can't lie with microscopic slides.

Laura Lee: There are two lists - the Dr. Bocho list of dentists, those 30 dentists in the area, and also the Price-Pottenger list of those who specialize in root canal removal problems.

Dr. LaMarche: Right.

Laura Lee: Okay, we have two lists available and if you send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to me at P.O. Box 3010, Bellevue, Washington 98009 we'll be happy to send you those two lists. Let's take a call next from Alex calling from Salt Lake City, KCNR, hi Alex.

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I have had a LOT of experience with this whole arena of root canals, jaw osteonecrosis, and jaw infection. I have flown around the country to see some of the top specialists in this area, and have many friends who have done this as well.

I think all of what is stated in this interview must be couched in some major caveats...

Though I think it's very rare, there are some butcher dentists out there who have made a killing off of patients who are desparately sick, and are hoping that removing some "cavitations" in their jaw bones will make them better. Inadequate diagnosis is done prior to a procedure, and some patients get the surgery done needlessly. In order to cover themselves, a few bad dentists in the bunch will say they saw "bad bone" - but in reality what they saw is normal.

The proper diagnostic procedures for determining bone necrosis/death include: MRI, CT, and three phase bone scans. Even with these scans, the necrosis may be missed - but, it's better to be as comprehensive as possible. The kind of scan that is really needed to be accurate is not yet invented. It needs to be something that is able to determine BLOOD FLOW. Some guy tried to create something and called it the CAVITAT - but in the end it didn't work, and did not have consistent results. One friend had 3 different ones done, and all 3 were radically different. One friend was told by a certain dentist in Ohio based on the CAVitat that he needed all of his teeth pulled. he did it and is very very sick to this day.

There is no question in my mind that some people do get better when infected teeth and root canals are removed, and the jaw bone curetted to remove dead and infected bone. I have heard several stories about successful removal of root canalled teeth that resulted in weird symptoms disappearing. Having said that, it is also true that many people live quite well and healthily with root canals.

Those of us with Lyme disease understand that it is amazingly complex, and is a multisystem infection. The same is true of Jaw osteonecrosis and osteomyelitis (infection). All doctors know that bone infection is one of the most difficult infections ever to get rid of. Most docs will tell patients that you can get it into "remission", but it often comes back. It is difficult to completely sterilize bone, if not impossible.

Bone infections anywhere else in the body are treated very very aggressively by a team including an orthopedic surgeon and an infectious disease doctor who aggressively covers the patient with antibiotics before and after invasive surgery. The same exact level of care is needed for bone infection in the jaw and facial bones.

That is where the DANGER lies with these dentists who do bone surgery in the jaw. Very few of them require antibiotic treatment with surgery and for a period of time afterwards, and because of that surgery can actually make a patient A LOT WORSE. i HAVE HEARD many many stories of patients who had aggressive cavitation surgery - wisdom sites scraped, many teeth removed with bone drilling underneath - who GOT MUCH SICKER AFTERWARDS. They were not properly treated with antibiotics and antifungals post surgery to prevent the spread of infection, and to mop up what was not removed that may remain. and, in some cases, they did not even need surgery at all in the first place. We all know that Lyme can cause migrating tooth pain.

Knowing everything I have learned over a 4 year intense period of dealing with this type of infection - I WOULD NEVER EVER let anyone go into my jaw bone without having a very competent infectious disease dr. monitor antibiotics for me, and I would be wary of doing surgery without IV antibiotics for adequate bone penetration. Competent infectious disease docs, as we all know, are very hard to find. So are the really competent dentists/oral surgeons - the ones who insist on doing a biopsy, and who do cultures sent right away to a hospital lab to see what bacteria caused the infection and what antibiotics would work against it.

Reputation is everything when it comes to these dentists. It's so important to find one who is very competent - who knows how to segment the tooth and rotate each individual root out to avoid traumatizing the bone underneath or the adjacent teeth. The ones who make sure the patient is on a broad spectrum abx. like Clindamycin after surgery.

As it is today, there is a huge black hole that exists where the worlds of dentistry and medicine intersect. I think some of the guys that have spearheaded this work on cavitations and necrosis are brilliant, and are filling a big void that the medical world has missed. Doctors know that teeth/bone infections can cause heart issues, and that patients with mitral valve need to be premedicated on abx. before dental work, but that's where their knowledge ends. Just like a tiny area of bone infection in any other bone in the body can cause very systemic infectious symptoms like fatigue, night sweats, fevers and weight loss - the same can happen with unseen jaw infections caused by infected root canals. There is just a dirth of information out there on it.

Anyway, I'm happy to talk to anybody about my experience and all the info. I've gathered along the way with this.

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One more thing to add...

One of the dentists interviewed claimed that it's easy to treat, and most patients respond very well and quickly. Based on my exposure to this world and community of patients, I would argue that this is not true - in the same way that the IDSA guys claim Lyme is easy to treat and done quickly. I have heard so many stories of people with chronic bone infections in their jaw who remain chronic - some needing to stay on a low dose antibiotic long term to quell the symptoms. The worst patients in my experience are those who have had the most invasive and extensive surgeries. Removing teeth in and of itself can cause osteonecrosis and infection!! If you do a pubmed search with"osteonecrosis of the mandible" or "osteomyelitis of the mandible", you will see ample evidence of this. Having cavitation surgery is by NO MEANS a benign procedure. Like any other surgery, it comes with major risks.

Another last issue is blood clotting disorders. One of the leading specialists in this area has found a high correlation in his patients with osteonecrosis of the jaw with blood clotting disorders. These disorders, combined with blood restrictors used by dentists during procedures, can cause a dangerous lack of blood flow to the tooth and bone when it needs the blood flow the most. some people need to get on thinners in order to have the best chance of healing well.

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Wow Anneke. Thank you for the flip side of this coin.

I keep looking at the root canal connection to my own illness. Certainly the 5 canals I had to have after my first bout of lyme came out of the blue and made no sense with my high standard of healthcare in my diet and my care of my teeth.

I have had two dentists now assess my teeth and of the 5 root canals, they both picked the same 3 as being infected. One used ART and one used EDS. Still I have my teeth. That is partly because my doctor asked me to hold up and because the cost $18,000. stops me in my tracks.

I don't have any obvious pain although one RC tooth has recently begun to vibrate or pulse. I don't really know how to describe it any better. It isn't painful, just annoying.

I actually would love to have them out, but it is scary.

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Anneke:
question about your osteonecrosis?

did you or are you taking biphosphonate
suppliments for osteopenia or osteoporosis????

etidronate (Didronel), pamidronate (Aredia), alendronate (Fosamax), risedronate (Actonel), zoledronate (Zometa), ibandronate (Boniva) ...

Jaw avascular bone necrosis associated with long-term use of biphosphonates
Bisphosphonates are currently used to prevent bone complications and to treat malignant hypercalcemia in patients with multiple myeloma, or bone metastases from breast and prostate cancers [1].
Within the last year we observed 10 patients who developed jaw bone necrosis while on treatment with zoledronic acid (Zometa�; Novartis) or pamidronate. All the patients had breast cancer with skeletal disease and received long-term treatment with bisphosphonates (range 14-48 months, median 30 months). Four patients developed this complication after tooth extraction or other odontostomatological procedures, and six had a spontaneous event. All patients but one had inferior mandibular necrosis.

Patients started to complain of jaw pain, difficulty in masticating and in brushing teeth. The clinical appearance simulated dental abscesses or osteomyelitis. Biopsy of the involved area showed the presence of necrotic lacunae, with infiltration of lymphocytes and histiocytes. In six cases, histological or cytological diagnosis of suspicious osteomyelitis was done (Figure 1).
Figure 1. Acute suppurative inflammation with fibrin and resorptive scalloping of margins of non-vital bone are the main microscopic findings of jaw bone necrosis.

This pathological feature, identified as `jaw avascular bone necrosis', appears as a growing, painful, unilateral swelling of the jaw in patients receiving bisphosphonates [2-4]. Pain is frequently resistant to common anti-inflammatory drugs, causing severe impairment of quality of life. The definitive cure of avascular bone necrosis is controversial [4]. Surgical treatment and the use of hyperbaric oxygen seem to be partially effective. The removal of painful teeth may alleviate symptoms, but it eventually leads to further exposure of the bone [2]. In these cases discontinuation of bisphosphonates may be advocated, although the clinical benefit of this has not yet been proven.
In our experience, four patients underwent curettage of the affected mandible, but in two patients the symptoms persisted. Subsequently, one patient experienced a mandibular fistula, with persistence of pain and purulent secretion, despite massive use of antibiotics.

One patient with strong radiological suspicions of a jaw metastasis, was treated with local radiotherapy, but without clinical benefit. Afterwards, she developed a mandibular fistula. Another patient, after receiving hyperbaric oxygen therapy with no benefit, underwent wide resection of the affected bone, with no results. Another patient was treated with partial resection of the mandible, with a mild clinical improvement.

Pamidronate and zolendronate are nitrogen containing bisphosphonates and bind preferentially to sites of active bone resorption, exerting direct effects on osteoclastic activity through different mechanisms, including cytoskeleton changes, decreased liposomal function and inducing osteoclast apoptosis [1, 4, 5]. Normal osteoclasis is vital to bone turnover, while its inhibition halts bone resorption, leading to the accumulation of non-vital osteocytes, microfractures of mineral matrix and bone necrosis. The selective appearance of this process in the jaw may be due to the specific anatomical pattern of harboring teeth, thus uniquely exposing this part of the skeleton directly to the open environment [2] and to continuous trauma due to mastication or to odontostomatological interventions.

The antiangiogenic effect attributed to bisphosphonates might play a role, together with microtrauma and inflammation, in causing ischemic changes [1, 4, 5].

Understanding the precise mechanisms involved in the process may lead to the prevention of this skeletal complication. Long-term routine use of drugs should take into account the risk of this relatively uncommon event.


G. Sanna*, M. G. Zampino, G. Pelosi, F. Nol� and A. Goldhirsch

Istituto Europeo di Oncologia, Via Ripamonti 435, 20141 Milano, Italy

(*Email: [email protected])

References

1. Lipton A, Coleman RE, Diel IJ, Mundy G. Update on the role of bisphosphonates in metastatic breast cancer. Semin Oncol 2001; 28 (Suppl 11): 2-91.

2. Marx RE. Pamidronate (Aredia) and Zolendronate (Zometa) induced avascular bone necrosis of the jaws: a growing epidemic. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 2003; 61: 1115-1118.[CrossRef][ISI][Medline]

3. Migliorati CA. Bisphosphonates and oral cavity avascular bone necrosis. J Clin Oncol 2003; 21: 4253-4254.[Free Full Text]

4. Ruggiero SL, Mehrotra B, Rosenberg TJ, Engroff SL. Osteonecrosis of the jaws associated with the use of bisphosphonates: review of 63 cases. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 2004; 62, 527-534.

5. Green JR, Bisphosphonates: preclinical review. The Oncologist 2004; 204, 9 (Suppl 4): 3-13.

what all this means that anybody taking any of
the above drugs to increase bone density runs the risk of ostenecrosis(dead bone) in the lower
jaw.
i have talked with the md doing the research
but they do not have figure on the prominence of the bone death.
his study was done on people that already
had it and not a population study.

docdave

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Hi Docdave,

Yes, I've heard all about the bisphosphonate connection. From what I've gathered, the problem has been primarily with cancer patients who had chemo, radiation, and were placed on bisphos. afterwards. It's hard to tell at this point like you said, how many in the pop. are affected who have not had cancer.

I was not on bis. at all before my ordeal. But, I did have surgery on my jaw as a teen to correct a bite problem, and I know this made me more vulnerable to necrosis and infection.

I did see a promising press release a few weeks back re: a drug company that has gotten a grant to do research on the necrosis issue.

Have you had problems with this?

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Judith,

You might have the same doctor as I do.

My last visit I told him I needed a root canal and had a leaky filling. He told me to have the tooth pulled and not get a root canal either.

He explained that for some reason in lyme's patients, the lyme's symptoms flip to neurological problems. He said that they are not quite sure why this happens.

I also was told to have an xray of my jaw to make sure there is not an abscess. I have an appt next week to see a dentist about mercury removal.

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Interestng reading,,,,

Now if only I "COULD" read it thru all the million dollar words,,,I is a plain meat and taters guy that cant dechipher all the huge words. Wish somebody could go thru and write it in easy to read terms. Something a common feller can handle. Like "see Spot run" that kind of words.

Appreciate the input,,,wow,,$18,000 dollars to pull 3 teeth,,,no wonder I still have all mine which need pulling desperately!!

There is me, string tied to door knob(and my root canaled tooth),,,knock knock,,,who's there,come in quickly so it pulls my tooth, door opens,,,inward instead of the required 'out' to pull the tooth,,,try again!!!
darn-I will get this right eventually--just don--

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A question from the unknowing,,,

What effects do "silver points" do for health and dental health of LYME patients???

These were done in very first part of the 70's as a anti inflamary thing and was told once they should be removed.

next guy said IF they arent bothering you,,,leave them alone. Which is correct??How do you KNOW they arent bothering you??

I guess they match my every tooth canaled and capped ,,,,,and my every tooth amalgam filled cept the very front ones that were composited instead!!

Also matches my upper right dental infection I have had for 2 years plus running here!!!Just continue to push the infection pocket around with my finger.

So question remains,,,get them all pulled,regularly or have the ligaments and sockets ground out down to and including some bone!!???????feeling poorly like --just don--

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silver point root canals ALWAYS GET REINFECTED.
THE CEMENT USED TO PUT THEM IN REACTED WITH THE SILVER.

i have removed many silver points in my time,
everyone was corroded, and the tooth abscessed.

they now use gutta percha, a rubber material
i have read all of GIGi's articles and can say there is a percentage of root canals that fail,
some from the start, some over a long period of time.

most endodontists do yearly followup's on these rootcanals.

i do believe if done with technique, the chance
of infection and reinfection will be less.

1) clyndamycin 150mg tid 2 days before and 3 days after for immunocompromised patients
2)vital teeth, nerve alive, should be done in one visit.this will prevent infection on the second visit.
3) teeth already with abscess. these teeth need to be cleaned out and sterilized prior to
filling with gutta percha.
this involves using a microscope to get all
canals.
it also involves the endodontist to use rubber dam, and incubate a cotton point after cleaning
to make sure it is sterile.
this is an old technique that was dropped 20 years ago, but i believe now a necessary step after reading GiGi's literature.
the tooth should not be sealed until the
canals are sterile.
cement and gutta percha must be used to prevent\
infiltration of bacteria into the bone.
this infiltration goes from mouth ,down tooth
or periodontal ligament and into bone.

also very important, teeth with vertical
fracture from crown to root should be reomved.

docdave [group hug]

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anniek:
this osteonecrosis has been found in at least 3 woman that have not had breast cancer and just using fosamax.

the reason for the osteonecrosis is not difficult to understand.
there are osteoblasts-bone removing cells
osteoclasts-bone naking cells
biphosphonates stop the osteoblasts from removing
bone to the bone(ca and phos)

without the removal of ca from the bones the bones get denser. Hence the treatment for weak bones.
since the body exceopt the mouth is sterile under
the skin, this does not cause a problem, cause the bugs can't infect the bone.

in the mouth however,bugs are rampant, and
the bone gets infected all the time.
the osteoblasts remove the infected bone and
new bone is made to replaceit.
but with inactive osteoblasts, the bone infection gets bigger and bigger and then
destroys large portions of the jaw.

there is no cure or abx that with kill the infection. only treatment is to remove dead bone.

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Just some personal experience here:

My energy and symptoms improved greatly after a root canal. The pain and infection had been taking their toll.

They didn't use the rubber plug, and did use the white filling. Can't tell you anything more technical than that.

When I first started using the Sota SP lite (in vivo blood purifyer/microcurrent) on my wrist, the tooth that had the canal would ache for an hour. After about a week of treatment it stopped bothering me.

I had to wonder if somehow the machine was pulling toxins or bacteria out of the jaw. It feels fine now.

This all falls under the category of "I don't know and no research basis here, but it worked for me."

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Root canal teeth are dead teeth and seldom hurt.
I had 12 of them at one time and never had a pain.
They kill quietly by releasing the most deadly toxins known to man - mercaptans and thioethers.
They drip drip that into your system as long as the root canals remain. Most root canals fail eventually. "Root canals cause cavitations." These words straight from a research/scientist who has been dealing with little else for many years. He was ALS/wheelchair and removed all his root canals. He is well today after many oral surgeries to remove the damaged jawbone, the hiding place for the pathogens/bugs/critters.


TOPAS test done in the dental chair for little money will tell within minutes whether a root canal is still okay or has already failed. The tooth has to be agitated by tapping or chewing a couple of minutes before the test is done. Only then are the test results valid.

Just a bit of what I learned that helped me to get well again.

Take care.

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How do the bacteria in the dead tooth survive?tal tubules of a dead tooth. But from where do they get their food to survice and replicate and release toxins?

If the bacteria reside at the very end of the root-canal, i.e., where there still may be some blood supply, or if they reside in the access canals, I can understand how they may survive in immune compromised individuals.

But I don't get it if they reside in the tubules.

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I had a root canal in 1995. Took just 2 visits instead of the 3 my dentist had estimated. No problem, no pain afterward, no infection, and so far - 12 years - so good. Didn't affect the Lyme in any way, good or bad. (But thinking about all those fillings - I think I have 13 - makes me very concerned.)
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Hi,

Boy, all these posts are really interesting. The main thing is I have had root canels before, and I dont think I have had problems with them. I have had 4, I believe. I was shocked to say the least when my LLMD told me no root canels. I do not want to lose my tooth so I am going to do more research before I make a decision.

As far as ostoenecrosis, I am well versed in that subject since I developed that in my shoulders and hips after taking Decadron in the early 80's...Decadron is a potent steriod.

I just had my first hip replacement because of that. Eventually I will be getting a second one in the other hip.

Gigi..... What is a TOPAS test? What do they do for that?

Judith

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Right now I have got to finish our annual Easter Egg preparation and I will gladly respond later. So check back. First things first!

Do you remember how exciting it was when you found that new ball or chocolote bunny in the tree or hidden under someone's bed when it was a rainy Easter Sunday? Remember it and enjoy the moment.

Happy Easter to all of you.

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bacteria in an abscess in the bone are
highly anaerobic(don't need oxygen)
the can survive almost any condition in the body
and by far the hardest to kill.

bacteria get nutrients by killing bone,
killed by white blood cells they form pus.
pus is bacteria and dead bacteria.

many anaerobic infections in the body are very dangerous because they can not be killed.
many orthopedic infection are anaerobic.

hbot will help kill some of these bacteria in
extreme cases.
can't remember if bb is anaerobic, but i would
venture to guess that it is.

once sealed off in the tubules, the bacteria
pretty much go dormant.
if there is a good seal of the root canal.
they will not get into the bone.
ther is not communication of the tubules to the periodontal ligament, unless there is a crack
in the tooth.

that is why root canals on cracked teeth don't work.

docdave

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quote:
Originally posted by stymielymie:
bacteria in an abscess in the bone are
highly anaerobic(don't need oxygen)
the can survive almost any condition in the body
and by far the hardest to kill.

bacteria get nutrients by killing bone,
killed by white blood cells they form pus.
pus is bacteria and dead bacteria.

Is it possible that the pus appears as pimples around the mouth...and is the precense of these pimples an indication of an absess cavitation or could the pus come from the tooth itself?

quote:
Originally posted by stymielymie:
many anaerobic infections in the body are very dangerous because they can not be killed.
many orthopedic infection are anaerobic.

hbot will help kill some of these bacteria in
extreme cases.
can't remember if bb is anaerobic, but i would
venture to guess that it is.

I've heard that calcium hydroxide is the best compound for killing bacteria in a root-canal. Is this true?

According to http://www.mgoldmandds.com/rctchoices.htm CaOH2 has to be used over a relatively long perdiod of time (~1 month) as a temporary filling in order to achieve efficient killing throughout the tooth.

Another compound that apparantly is becoming popular for sterilization is ozone. However, I case of a root-canal I don't see how the ozone can possibly kill all the bacteria in the short time it's in the tooth. It just seems impossible to me that it would be able to get into the access canals or even to the tip of the main root...even if used in conjunction with NaOCl. I mean, it's only there for 30sec or so. What do you think?

quote:
Originally posted by stymielymie:
once sealed off in the tubules, the bacteria
pretty much go dormant.
if there is a good seal of the root canal.
they will not get into the bone.
ther is not communication of the tubules to the periodontal ligament, unless there is a crack
in the tooth.

So are you [indirectly] saying that it is NOT important to sterilize the tubules when doing a root-canal, as long as the filling of the root-canal is done properly? Or should an attempt be made to kill the bacteria in the tubules as well...just in case?

Finally, I'm curious what you think about Biocalex?

What I've heard is that some holistic dentist seem to be using this as a filling AND as a bacteria killing compound, since it is based on CaOH2. What I'm concerned about is that Biocalex will tend to penetrate throughout the tooth (incl tubules and access canals). Over time it then expands and becomes extremely hard, to the point where it becomes impossible to do any repairs on the tooth. I'm not sure what to believe.

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Micheal got answers to all your questions
1)yes pimples on gum are like pimples
on the face these pimples are called
fistulas and if you put a fine piece
of gutta perch in the opening and xray it.
It will go directly to and abscess.
The term cavitation is not a dental
term but made up by the person
who invented the machine.
These can show abscessed teeth when
nothing shows on xray at the root.
It is very dx for an abscessed tooth

Sometimes the tooth will be extremely
painful and a fistula will form.
This indicates the nerves in the tooth
are dead and the tooth has started
to abscess.

An abscess is an area where white
blood cells migrate to try to kill the infection.Dead white cells are the pus.
As the bacteria die they give off a gas byproduct, can't remember offhand.

This gas builds up in a closed space ,like
a pressure cooker ,causing extreme pain and
pressure of the nerves in the periodontal
ligament. this is why a dead tooth hurts
so much.

Treatment for pain can be either lancing
fistula, or opening the tooth to let the
gas out of the tooth,(this is like
decaying flesh and is awful smell.

2)yes caoh is the material or choice at the present time for killing the bacteria.
why does it work???
the bacteria survive and produce and acids environment. the caoh neutralizes the
area and kills the bacteria by removing
their environment.

Many dentist try to get an infected tooth
numb with lidocaine, so they can work
on it.
many dds don't know the chemistry involved
with infection. the area being anesthesized
in an infection and the lidocane is also
acid, hence no anesthesia.

i recommend clydamycin to kill some of
the bacteria in bone, so that anesthia can
be obtained.

3)it is impossible to adequately clean tubules
in the dentin.
they run perpendicular to the root and canal
and there are no instruments that can
clean them. CAOH does get in the tubules
and will kill what tissue is there, but not
get rid of the tissue.
A very good seal of the root canal can show
filling of the tubules.
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4) Biocalex is an extremely difficult material to use. i would think within 5 years there will be a good CAOH sealer.
see, CAOH is basically chalk, when add to water
gives a very soft paste, which is now use
to kill the bacteria. up until several years ago, formaldehyde based materials were used.
Biocalex is similar in nature to the foam insulation you get at home depot.
not the insulation but how it works.
too much biocalex and the material will expand and crack the root.
this is very common.

any more,
docdave [sleepy]

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Judith, you asked

"Gigi..... What is a TOPAS test? What do they do for that?"

TOPAS test is very simple to check the condition of a root canal tooth.
Most biological dentists and most "alternative" practitioners/doctors do it. It costs, I believe under $50. Done in the dental chair and takes a minute.

Very important that tooth in question is agitated by chewing or by seriously tapping it for a couple of minutes. Stick a little strip of test paper on the edge between the gum and the tooth for one minute, and then into a certain solution that comes with the test kit; and it turns a certain color when there are toxic proteins coming out of the tooth. Check out www.altcorp.com for more details.

Of course dentist/practitioner can do all sorts of vitality tests eliciting different type of pain reactions which tell whether a tooth might be salvagable or a dead tooth.

Dead tooth is a bad tooth. A dead tooth produces thioethers: one of the worst toxins known to man. Root canal teeth do not necessarily cause pain. None of the 12 or 13 root canals I had caused me any pain whatsoever. They only slowly, gradually were poisoning my body, and it took many months to get the poisons out of my body even after I had all of the teeth removed. Thioethers/mercaptans are very easily found with the different kinds of energy testing, i.e. ART. My husband's feet were loaded with thioethers -- no wonder he couldn't walk any more!
Lyme Disease, Morbus Parkinson, MS, Plantar fascitis? ---- Dentists awake.

Altcorp: They cannot be sterilized effectively and most eventually fail and spread the toxin throughout the body.

Biocalix does not do the job either.

Take care.

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I have reams about this subject - from the many seminars I attended over almost ten years. The story is still the very same today as it was in 1998. Dentists are still proclaiming root canals are a good thing, and I am just about ready to toss all of it into the recycle toter.

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At a Lyme Conference a couple three years ago, several scientists, doctors, dentists attended (I have listed the respective websites numerous times), as did Dr. K., and these are notes/words spoken by some of them who deal on a daily basis with chronically ill and teeth. A lot of exhibits were shown - I can just give you some of the sort of loose talk.

That's the kind of discussion during which n o b o d y falls asleep - I assure you.

The scientist who has tested hundreds of root canals clearly stated that he ``has never found a root canal that was not toxic.'' They ``never found a devitalized tooth that is not toxic.''

Explanations given: Why in the jawbone? Why is this the place where the most toxins are? What is the reason for this?

1. Toxins accumulate in general areas that have a paradoxical issue: it needs a high blood supply (because the way the toxins come in there is through the blood stream). They just don't grow in the area; they go the for blood supply. They need to have that.

2. They need to have a disturbance of the venous and lymphatic outflow. That's a precondition, and this creates what is called an eddy in the river (old kayakers know that). An eddy in the river is where the river flows fast around a curve, but on the inside of the curve, there is a place where the water recirculates. It recirculates forever, and you can put a bottle in it, even if it is a raging Class 4 river, raging by; if you put a bottle in the river at this place, three weeks later it is still going around.

These eddies we find at the roots of the teeth. This is where the occlusion comes in -
Occlusion dentists! A tooth that is not sitting at the perfect angle, like none of most teeth are; or it has to with nutrition of the parents; with the facial development of the face, how the roots of the teeth are, how the cusps are.

If the dentist gives you a filling or a crown where the angle is off by one degree, it creates abnormal forces on the root of the tooth that causes a continuous inflammation at the root which is one of the preconditions mentioned - the increase of blood flow.

Inflammation and an increase in the blood flow go together. Also the torqueing of the tooth on the bite creates a kinking of the lymphatics and the veins that are supposed to move the pooled blood at the root of the tooth away; so you get pools of blood there; and then the toxins that are contained in the blood pool in this area; they burrow their way into the bone because it kills the osteoblasts, the cells that are there, and you create a toxic hole at that place.

That's one of the first preconditions. The question is - what are the toxins that we find in there.

Researcher's comment: In this case we took 36 root canal teeth from ALS patients (about 9 ALS patients in total) and ran an extraction from those teeth taking the toxins out. Result - CWD borrelia (cell wall deficient) - a very contagious blob; cannot be shipped from one lab to the other (security). This form of Lyme stays very prolific and alive for as long as 72 hours - even in the sunlight.

These discussions went on for three days. I have pages of these hours of talk. I know with absolute certainty from my own situation that root canals as they are done at the present time are for the birds and make people sick. Same for my husband. If I had kept my root canals, I would not be alive today. The researcher himself used to be labeled ALS and was in a wheelchair. He had tremendous leasions and many operations. Most cancer patients have root canals and removal is a must. Druckey, a very astute microbiologist and M.D. out of the University of Heidelberg, found'' these dental toxins to be the world's most perfect carcinogen, creating an appearance and function of a malignant cell until the carcinogenic dose was reached.''

Next question is - when is the carcinogenic dose reached? Everybody is a little bit different. It can be 6 months, 6 weeks, 6 years, 22 years. You are sitting there thinking ``well, I have 5 root canals and I am not having any problems at all''. Two years later you are diagnosed with incurable cancer.

Most the time there are no clinical symptoms pointing to the root canals, so therefore it is assumed that the root canal is not causing any problem. Dentists and medical doctors usually do not exchange any information in the cafeteria. As the expert indicated, ``don't believe it. This is an insidious silent situation.''

Someone here indicated all research limited to Weston Price. Forget that one. It is widely known, even sometimes published. Somehow dentists lose their licenses. And funding for research disappears. Who would want to admit that root canals and mercury in the mouth and subsequently brain is toxic and may cause cancer somewhere down the way........

Take care.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/damspr11.html
Check out www.altcorp.com - I was unable to pull it up today. Or check out the links given above by Michael.

Don't get a root canal, and

Take care.

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Hi docdave,

Hope you got a good nights sleep... [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by stymielymie:
pimples on gum are like pimples
on the face. these pimples are called
fistulas and if you put a fine piece
of gutta perch in the opening and xray it,
it will go directly to an abscess.
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It is very dx for an abscessed tooth

Just to avoid confusion, I am NOT seeing any "pimples" inside my mouth or on the gum. I only get pimples on my face, not too far away from where the infected tooth is.

Is this still dx of an abscess?

quote:
Originally posted by stymielymie:
Many dentist try to get an infected tooth
numb with lidocaine, so they can work
on it.
many dds don't know the chemistry involved
with infection. the area being anesthesized
in an infection and the lidocane is also
acid, hence no anesthesia.

I looked on this page to get some understanding of chemistry behind local anesthesia, and now I understand what you were saying above:
http://www.doctorspiller.com/local_anesthetics.htm

What type of compound SHOULD the dentist use for numbing, if any at all? From the above webpage I would think that good old novocaine is the best, due to its high pH value, which would offset the low pH value of the infection.

Wrt to NaOH2, is it safe to leave it in the canal for a month?

Michael

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I'm not an MD. The above is IMO and in my experience as well as from health related books.

I've had symptoms consistent with neurological Lyme disease since 1986. Was diagnosed with Lyme in 2004. Am feeling better now than ever before.

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quote:
Originally posted by GiGi:
Someone here indicated all research limited to Weston Price. Forget that one. It is widely known, even sometimes published.

If you know of other research confirming Dr. Price's findings about the rabits developing the exact same disease as the patient the tooth belonged to, please provide reference.

quote:
Originally posted by GiGi:
Somehow dentists lose their licenses. And funding for research disappears. Who would want to admit that root canals and mercury in the mouth and subsequently brain is toxic and may cause cancer somewhere down the way

I understand what you're saying, but from what I see, well, people just won't be shut up. Some people are more interested in doing good and finding the truth, no matter where it will take them.

To use an analogy...the list is long of LLMDs and Lyme researchers who put their reputation and careers on the line EVERY DAY to show "this and that" about Lyme disease, to treat it and to diagnose it...and this is true no matter how controversial their work is.

My point is, their are exceedingly strong-minded people everywhere, incl in dentistry, who care more about the truth and who care more about other people than their own career and reputation. As an example of what happened to one such dentist, namely Dr. K. of Mt.Kisco, see here:
http://www.dentalwatch.org/reg/kulacz.html

So I still ask myself why there isn't any newer research confirming Dr. Price's findings wrt the rabits developing identical symptoms as their tooth "donor". Most of Dr. Price's other findings have been confirmed, just not the part about the rabits, as far as I can tell.


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I've had symptoms consistent with neurological Lyme disease since 1986. Was diagnosed with Lyme in 2004. Am feeling better now than ever before.

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I thought I would share with you all the Toxicology Report Results that I just got back from a failing root canal that I had extracted back in late February. Proof like this has woken me up to the serious role that dental problems can play in our health. This tooth (#14- upper left 2nd molar) had orginally been treated with a filling back in 2001. Then in 2004 after mild pain never went away I had a root canal done on it. I had only mild and intermitent pain since 2004, but always felt in my heart that something was not right. the years.

After following the advice of Gigi and looking into it more, I finally decided to have something done about this tooth as well as a few others. The dentist who did the procedure sent the #14 extracted tooth to ALT Bioscience lab where it was tested for how toxic it was. The way they test it is that they see what percentage of enzyme activity is inhibited by the prescence of the tooth. so the results you see below indicate that 6 major enzymes involved in the production of ATP are nearly completely shut down. My results are here:

Phosphorylase Kinase 89.2%
Phosphorylase A 90.4%
Pyruvate Kinase 87.7%
Phosphoglycerate Kinase 84.3%
Creatine Kinase 88.00%
Adenylate Kinase 77.4%


All 6 of these ihibition rates fell within the highest range of "EXTREME" Toxicity provided by the lab. I know how important enzymes are to my health and seeing this was absolutely startling. There is no way the human body can be healthy with your enzyme activity ruined by these toxins.

So far, I have not seen much improvement in my health, but I am well aware of the time it takes to clear some of these toxins out my body. I would like to see more information from GiGi or others on how to remove the toxins once the source has been removed.

Logan

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Very very interesting Logan.

My enzyme activity is shot and I must supplement heavily. Also my detox pathways are blocked. I have 5 root canals.

I sure wish I saw more people say they were healed by removing them.

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Luvs,

"I sure wish I saw more people say they were healed by removing them."

I have to say that I have seen many, many.

However, I am sorry to say that there is a lot more damage to undo besides removing the root canals.
Certainly I would not be here, much less totally well, with root canals in my mouth. Same for my husband. Same for many people that I have followed through the process. Some wait too long and do not make it. There was a fellow on the board who contacted me, when it was literally already too late. He got to the point where he became too weak that the surgery could not be done until he improved a bit. He never made it.

I know several who used to be patients and are no longer around.

I certainly would keep a watch with frequent TOPAS tests. Depends on how sick one is. It also is of no advantage to wait until the bone loss is too great. The bone infection also does not remain with one tooth - it spreads.

I just want people to be aware. Everybody dances to a different drummer. I wished I had removed mine ten years before it became really critical. I would have had a much better chance at choices for replacement. Dr. K. clearly told my during my first appointment "if you want to live, ....." Well, a am very much alive - without root canals.

Okay. Said it all again.

Take care.


P.S. It is never just remove the root canals. The oral surgery has to be done just right, and above all very complete. For some people it takes more than one surgery.

The fellow who lectured at our last Conference who has done many years of research with hundreds of root canals (altcorp.com) had to have many surgeries
to remove the root canals and get his jaw cleaned up. He was diagnosed ALS and lived for a long time in a wheelchair. Today he travels all over the world, is funded by foreign countries to do this and related research, and testifies before the U.S. Congress on such matters.

There are so many facets to any chronic disease.

A longtime patient who was also mostly wheelchair bound had done a lot of work, except she refused to take a root canal out. She didn't and couldn't walk. She wasted a long time before she finally decided to have it removed and the area cleaned out surgically. She got up and out of the wheelchair, walking, within a day. She could never get pregnant for years; she now has two children and is absolutely healthy and happy.

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Logan,

"So far, I have not seen much improvement in my health, but I am well aware of the time it takes to clear some of these toxins out my body. I would like to see more information from GiGi or others on how to remove the toxins once the source has been removed."

Logan, it took me a good three years before I finally was well. Now for dental toxins (as opposed to heavy metals), patients are taking high doses of MSM 3 - 6 grams (of "clean" MSM per day (Designs for Health has one with real fruit flavor and is easy to take). I posted about the different types of MSM available - not all are good. I think Designs for Health is the only company using this process. You do not want the MSM from the feed stores!

If you have not addressed viral infections, worms, parasites, and most of all taken down the heavy metal load --- that takes time. Fungi and mold is a problem as long as you carry a heavy metal load. It cannot be done in a few weeks. Emotional work is very important when it comes to releasing toxins from the body.

Take care.

Take care.

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Michael,

" If you know of other research confirming Dr. Price's findings about the rabits developing the exact same disease as the patient the tooth belonged to, please provide reference."

A dentist by the name of S.E. in Texas did the same research in the 1990's. His then wife had severe Liver problems, and two rabbits got the same liver problems within weeks from the root canal implants. They were removed and both rabbits lived happily ever after. This dentist is still in practice.

I am certain there is a lot of similar research - keeping up with what I am keeping up is enough for me.


You may want to study the work of Bouquet, Hussar, Kulazc, Dr. Boyd Haley, Bob Jones (www.altcorp.com) etc. etc., and some of the references attached to the article below.

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A Comprehensive Review of Heavy Metal Detoxification and Clinical Pearls from 30 Years of Medical Practice
Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD

A. Introduction:

Heavy metals appear in the mammalian system because they have become part of our environment. We are in a constant exchange with our environment which is goverened by the laws of osmosis. If mercury is in the fish we eat, over time we have mercury in our system. We cannot keep our system pristine and clean, because we are seperated from our toxic environment only by semi-permeable membranes: skin and mucosal surfaces. Maintaining relative cleanliness requires a number of inherent detox systems to work overtime against the osmotic pressure of the incoming toxins. As the toxixity of our environment increases so does the osmotic pressure, pushing the often man- made poisons into our body.

Toxins never come alone. They come in synergistically acting package-deals. Mercury alone is toxic. Together with zinc it is many times more toxic, add in a little copper and silver, as in dental amalgam fillings and the detrimental effect to the body increases manyfold.

Together with mercaptan and thioether (dental toxins) the toxic amalgam effects grow exponentially. Add in a little PCB and dioxin, as in fish, and the illness causing effect of the methyl mercury in fish increases manyfold. Toxicology is to a large degree the study of synergistic effects. In synergy 1 plus 1 = 100. Heavy metals are primarily neurotoxins There is a synergistic effect between all neurotoxins which is responsible for the illness producing effect.
Making the neurotoxin elimination a major part of my practice has been an amazing experience. Many illnesses considered intractable respond when the related issues are successfully resolved.

What are Neurotoxins?
Neurotoxins are substances attracted to the mammalian nervous system. They are absorbed by nerve endings and travel inside the neuron to the cell body. On their way they distrupt vital functions of the nerve cell, such as axonal transport of nutrients, mitochondrial respiration and proper DNAtranscription. The body is constantly trying to eliminate neurotoxins via the available exit routes: the liver, kidney, skin and exhaled air. Detox mechanisms include acetylation, sulfation, glucuronidation, oxidation and others. The liver is most important in these processes. Here most elimination products are expelled with the bile into the small intestine and should leave the body via the digestive tract. However, because of the lipophilic/neurotropic nature of the neurotoxins, most are reabsorbed by the abundant nerve endings of the enteric nervous system (ENS) in the intestinal wall. The ENS has more neurons than the spinal chord. From the moment of mucosal uptake the toxins can potentially take 4 different paths:
1. neuronal uptake and via axonal transport to the spinal chord (sympathetic neurons) or brainstem (parasympathetics) - from here back to the brain.
2. Venous uptake and via the portal vein back to the liver
3. Lymphatic uptake and via the thoracic duct to the subclavian vein
4. Uptake by bowel bacteria and tissues of the intestinal tract

Here is an incomplete list of common neurotoxins in order of importance:

(i)Heavy metals:
mercury, lead, cadmium, iron, manganese and aluminum (are the most common).
Common Sources: metallic mercury vapor escapes from dental amalgam fillings (they contain about 50 % mercury, the rest is zinc, silver copper, tin and trace metals). Cadmium: car fumes, cigarette smoke , pigment in oil paint Lead: outasing from-paint, residues in earth and food chain from time when lead was used in gasoline, contaminated drinking water Aluminum: cookware, drinking water
(ii) Biotoxins:
such as tetanus toxin, botulinum toxin (botox), ascaridin (from intestinal parasites), unspecified toxins from streptococci, staphylococci, lyme disease, clamydia, tuberculosis, fungal toxins and toxins produced by viruses. Biotoxins are minute molecules (200-1000 kilodaltons) containing nitrogen and sulfur. They belong to a group of chemical messengers which microorganisms use to control the host�s immune system, host behaviour and the host�s eating habits.

(iii) Xenobiotics (man-made environmental toxins):
such as dioxin, formaldehyde, insecticides, wood preservatives, PCBs etc.

(iv) Food Preservatives, excitotoxins and cosmetics:
aspartame (diet sweeteners), MSG, many spices, food colourings, fluoride, methyl-and propyl -paraben, etc.


Heavy Metal Toxicity

Metals can exist in the body with different kinds of chemical bonds and as different molecules. Mercury appears to be the king-pin in the cascade of events in which metals become pathogenic. Mercury can be present as metallic mercury (HgO), as mercury salt (e.g. mercury chloride - HG+), or as methyl mercury (HG++). Methyl mercury is 50 times more toxic than metallic mercury. Methyl-Hg is so firmly bound to the body that it has to be first reduced to HG+ before it can be removed from the cell. This is achieved with reducing agents (�antioxidants``) e.g. intravenous vitamin C and reduced glutathione. To remove Hg-Salts or metallic Hg from the outside of the cell, other agents are useful Mercury belongs to a group of metals that oxidize in the presence of sulfur and form compounds with sulfur (sulfhydryl affinitive metals). Methyl mercury is already oxidized to its maximum and bound firmly to sulfur in the different proteins of the body. The following metals belong to the sulfhydryl affinitive group and respond to similar detoxification methods: Copper, arsenic, cadmium, lead, mercury. Aluminum and iron for example would not respond a sulfur compound. Some detox agents have multiple mechanisms by which they bind to metals. The algal organism chlorella has over 20 known such mechanisms.

Other metals oxidize with oxygen. Iron turns to rust when oxidized. Rust is nontoxic to the body, whereas iron is. Iron overdose responds to a chemical called desferoximin (desferal). Aluminum responds to the same detoxification agent. A recent Japanese study showed that Chinese parsley, cilantro, is a powerful elimination agent for aluminum stored in bone and the brain.

Other facts:
* Some metals are extremely toxic, even in the most minute dose, whereas others have very low toxicity, even in high doses. However, dependent on the dose, all metals can become toxic to the body. Iron can cause severe oxidative damage, copper may compromise liver function and visual acuity, selenium and arsenic have been known to be used to murder people and so on.
* Most metals serve a functional role in the body. For example, selenium is needed in the enzyme that restores oxidized glutathione back to its functional form as reduced glutathione. Another important function of selenium is its role as a powerful antioxidant in preventing cancer.
* Some metals have a narrow physiological range. That means the difference between a therapeutic dose and toxic overdose is very small. Selenium is an example of this. Magnesium on the other hand has a wide physiological range and thus is more difficult to overdose.
* Some metals have no physiological function. Mercury, lead, aluminum are in this group. Even the smallest amounts have negative physiological-effects.
* biochemical individuality: some people may react more or less than others to the presence of heavy metals in the tissues. Some people may develop a severe chronic illness after exposure of a few molecules of mercury, whereas others may be more resistant to it. Genetic deficiencies in the enzymes responsible for the formation of the metallothioneins and glutathione production and reduction are examples.

Possible side-effects during heavy metal detox:
Every patient can be affected by metals in two ways:
1.Through their non-specific toxic effects
2. Through the system�s allergic reactions to the neurotoxins
Often these two distinctive types of symptoms cannot be easily distinguished. During a detox program, the patient may also temporarily become allergic to the various substances that help to carry out the toxins. This is based on a physiological mechanism called �operant conditioning``. Every time the detoxifying substance is given, mercury emerges from its hiding places into the more superficial tissues of the body, where mercury can now be detected by the immune system. The immune system however is fooled into thinking that the detoxifying substance itself is the enemy. The immune system now starts to react to the detoxifying substance as if it was the mercury itself. This reaction typically resolves spontaneously after six weeks of not using the detox agent in question. This type of conditioned reflex can also be easily treated with simple techniques e.g. NAET, PK (APN), or by giving the detox substance in a homeopathic dilution for a few days. Often the basal membranes in the kidney will swell as a sign of the allergic reaction, causing low back pain, anuria or inability to concentrate urine. Neuraltherapy or microcurrent stimulation of the kidneys quickly resolves the issue. Muscle aches indicate the redistribution of toxins into the connective tissue and an insufficient program. Depression, headaches, trigeminal neuralgia, seizures, increased pain levels indicate redistribution of metals into the CNS and an inappropriate detox program. Eye problems and tinnitus that occurs during detox indicates redistribution of metals into these organs and requires selective mobilization from these locations before the program is continued. I use a specific type of microcurrent for this purpose

Some recently published findings related to the metal issue:
Iron/mangnese: A recent paper on Parkinsons disease (Neurology June 10, 2003;60:1761-1766)revealed that just by eating iron and manganese containing foods such as spinach or taking supplements containing Mn or Fe -the risk of developing PD increased almost 2 fold. This demonstrates that even dietary supplements or organically grown foods are amongst the possilbe culprits in metal toxixity.
Methylmercury:
There are two major sources:
1. mercury escaped from dental amalgam fillings is converted by oral and intestinal bacteria to methylmercury, which then is bound firmly to proteins and other molecules. Methyl mercury crosses the blodd brain barrier and the placental barrier leading to massive prenatal exposure. Earlier studies determined that over 90% of the common body burdon of Hg is from dental fillings. Recent studies show that eating fish is starting to compete with amalgam fillings for the leading position as a risk factor.
2.Seafood
A recent study (JAMA, April 2, 2003;289(13):1667-1674) revealed the following It is estimated that nearly 60,000 children each year are born at risk for neurological problems due to methylmercury exposure in the womb.
One in 12 U.S. women of childbearing age have potentially hazardous levels of mercury in their blood as a result of consuming fish, according to government scientists.
The U.S.FDA recommends that pregnant women and those who may become pregnant avoid eating shark, swordfish, king mackerel, and tile fish known to contain elevated levels of methylmercury, an organic form of mercury. Nearly all fish contain some amount of methylmercury. Mercury accumulates in the system, so larger, longer-lived fish like shark or swordfish contain the highest amounts of mercury and pose the largest threat if eaten regularly.

The National Center for Policy Research for Women & Families published in May 2003, that the following fish are lowest in methyl mercury:
* Catfish (farmed)
* Blue Crab (mid-Atlantic)
* Croaker
* Fish Sticks
* Flounder (summer)
* Haddock
* Trout (farmed)
* Shrimp
The FDA also recommends these fish as safe to eat:
haddock, tilapia, wild alaskan salmon,and sole

Ethylmercury:
A recent quote from Boyd Haley, PhD: �our latest research clearly points to the ethylmercury exposure as being causal in autism. The tremendous enhancement of thimerosal toxicity by testosterone and the reduction of toxicity by estrogen explains the fact that 4 boys to 1 girl getting the disease and the fact that the bulk of severe autistics are boys. Most importantly, this autistic situation clearly shows that exposure to levels of mercury that many "experts" considered safe was capable of causing an epidemic of a neurological disease``.

B. Symptoms

Other authors have tried to specify typical symptoms for each metal. Because of the synergistic effects and simultaneous occurence of several toxins at the same time. The best source of literature on the effects of specific metals on the ystem are the old homeopathic textbooks �materia medica`` (Kent, Boericke)
I prefer to look at a client in a systemic way, not focussing on single issues . A manganese typical symptom (ie violent behaviour) may be a lot more worrysome in a given patient then their particular mercury related symptom (ie insomnia). However, the practical focus of detox should be almost always on the mercury first. If mercury is adressed appropriately, the manganese often leaves the body as a side effect of mercury detox. The opposite is not true.
Any illness can be caused by, or contributed to, or exagerated by neurotoxins. Here is a short list:
* neurological problems: Fatigue, depression, insomnia, memory loss, blunting of the senses, chronic intractable pain (migraine, sciatica, CTS etc.), burning pain, paresthesia, strange intracranial sensations and sounds, numbness. Autism. Seizure disorder. Hyperactivity syndromes. Premature ejaculation and inorgasmia
* emotional problems: inappropriate fits of anger and rage, timidness, passivity, bipolar disorder, frequent infatuation, addictions, depression, dark mood, obsession, psychotic behaviour, deviant behaviour, psychic attacks, inability to connect with god, etc.
* mental problems: memory loss, thinking disorder, messy syndrome (cluttering), loss of intelligence, AD, premature aging
* GI problems: candida, food allergy, leaky gut syndrome, parasites, inflammatory bowel disease
* Orthopedic problems: joint arthritis, persisiting musculo-skeletal pain, fibromyalgia, TMD, recurrent osteopathic lesions
* Immunological disorders (autoimmune diseases, hypothyroid disorders, MS, ALS, Sjogen�s Syndrome, CFIDS, MCS etc.)
* Cardiovascular disorders ( vascular disease, arrythmias, angina, increased heartbeat)
* Cancer -mercury, arsenic, copper etc. can be a trigger
* ENT disorders: chronic sinusitis, tinnitus, glandular swelling,
* Eye problems: macular degeneration (dry and wet), optic neuritis, iritis, deteriorating eye sight, etc.)
* Internal medicine problems: kidney disease, hypertension, hypercholesterinemia, syndrome X
* OB/gyn: difficulties of pregnancy, impotence, uterine fibroids, infertility, etc.

C. Diagnosis
* History of Exposure: (Did you ever have any amalgam fillings? How much fish do you eat and what kind? A tick bite? etc)
* Symptoms: (How is your short term memory? Do you have areas of numbness, strange sensations,etc)- A complete neurotoxin questionaire is available from AANT@425 462 1777
* Laboratory Testing:
direct tests for metals: hair, stool, serum, whole blood, urine analysis, breath analysis
* xenobiotics: fatty tissue biopsy, urine, breath analysis
* Indirect tests: cholesterol (increased while body is dealing with Hg), increased insulin sensitivity, creatinine clearance, serum mineral levels (distorted, while Hg is an unresolved issue), Apolipoprotein E 2/4 , urine dip stick test: low specific gravity (reflects inability of kidneys to concentrate urine), persistently low urine ph (metals only go into solution in acidic environments - which supports detoxing), urine porphyrins
* Autonomic Response Testing: (Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt M.D., Ph.D.)
* BioEnergetic Testing (EAV, kinesiology etc.)
* Response to Therapeutic Trial
* Functional Acuity Contrast Test (measure of Retinal Blood Flow)
* Non-specific neurological tests: upper motor neuron signs (clonus, Babinski, hyperreflexia), abnormal nerve conduction studies, EMG etc . non-specific MRI/CT findings: brain atrophy as in AD, demyelination
* Several �challenge tests`` are used today. They generally involve measuring the urine metal content, then administering an oral or iv. mobilizing agent and re-mesuring the metal content in the urine after a few hours. Most well known is the DMPS challenge test: However, there is agreement amongst most researchers, that the urine Hg content does not reflect total body burdon - only the currently mobilizable portion of Hg in the endothelium and kidneys. If nothing comes out, there can still be detrimental but non-responsive amounts of Hg in the CNS, connective tissue and elsewhere.
* I have developed a simple approach that works well. I use autonomic response testing (muscle biofeedback) to determine what metal is stored where and what detox agents would be most suitable for this individual. I obtain a hair sample and have it analyzed. It may or may not show any toxic metals. Metals reach the root of the hair via the blood stream. Hair only can show those metals, that have been in the blood in the last 6 weeks. That means, hair only reflects acute toxicity or recently mobilized metals but not the true body burdon. Then we embark on the detox and mobilizing program. In 6 weeks another hair samle is send to the lab and analyzed. If for example manganese is now high, mercury starting to rise (mostly it is methyl Hg, that is reflected in hair), aluminum is at the same value as before, it means, that this program is starting to mobilize Mn ad Hg, but not Al. Through minor adjustments and following the client closely, we observe as the levels in the hair may rise for months or years before returning to low or absent levels. That is the end point. At that time biochemical challenges with Ca EDTA, DMPS or DMSA can be valuabe to see if there are still hidden pockets of metals somewhere in the system that have been ovrlooked with the other methods. In general, the hair-mineral analysis is often overinterpreted. Hair minerals are a reflection of the toxic-metal induced distortion in mineral metabolism.


D. TREATMENT
Why would we want to treat anyone at all? Is it really needed? Can the body not eliminate these toxins naturally on its own?
First we need to consider a multitude of risk factors, which influence later decisions:
Here is a short list of independent risk factors which can either cause accumulation of metals in an otherwise healthy body - or slow down, or inhibit the bodys own elimination processes.

* Genetics - Several genes are involved in coding for the production of inherent detox mechanisms. Example: ApoE being the major repair protein in neuronal damage and responsible for removing mercury from the intracellular environment. There are 4 different subtypes, one of them making the individual prone to accumulating Hg: (Danik, M. and Poirier, J. Apolipoprotein E and lipid mobilizatin in neuronal membrane remodeling and its relevance to Alzheimer's disease. In: Brain Lipids and Disorders in Biological Psychiatry, edited by Skinner, E.R.Amsterdam:Elsevier Science, 2002,p.53-66.)Also well known and studied are the individual genetic differences in glutathione availability. Several companies in the Integrative Medicine Field are offering genetic testing today. So far my clinical results were not impressive when I based my detox program on genetic testing only.
* prior illnesses (i.e. kidney infections, hepatitis, tonsillitis etc.)
* surgical operations (scars often restrict the detoxifying abilities of whole body sections, such as the tonsillectomy scar with it�s effect on the superior cervical ganglion - restricting lymph drainage and blood flow from the entire cranium)
* medication or �recreational� drug use (overwhelming the innate detox mechanisms)
* emotional trauma, especially in early childhood. This issue is huge and almost never appropriately adressed
* social status (poor people may still drink contaminated water)
* high carbohydrate intake combined with protein malnutrition (especially in vegetarians)
* use of homeopathic mercury (may redistribute Hg into deeper tissues)
* food allergies (may block the kidneys, colon etc.)
* the patients electromagnetic environment (mobile phone use, home close to power lines etc. Omura showed that heavy metals in the brain act as micro antennae concentrating damaging electro smog in the brain)
* constipation
* compromise of head/neck lymphatic drainage (sinusitis, tonsil ectomy scars, poor dental occusion)
* number of dental amalgam fillings over the patients life-time, number of the patients mothers amalgam fillings

Detox Methods

There are many considerations in choosing detox agents. After choosing the appropriate agent for the individual client and particular metal and exact chemical form of it, we have to consider the body compartment where the metal is stored. For example, the algae chlorella is ideal for removing virtually all toxic metals from the gut but has too little effect on mercury stored in the brain. Intravenous glutathione may reach the intracellular environment, even in the brain, but is fairly ineffective in removing mercury from the gut. Each agent has a primary place of action, which determines when, how much and for how long it is used. Agents that have multiple effects on compounds of different metals in the various body compartments are the basis for our detox program. Most specific agents are used for special situations only.

High protein, mineral, fatty acid and fluid intake
Rationale:
* proteins provide the important precursors to the endogenous metal detox and shuttle agents, such as coeruloplasmin, metallothioneine, glutathione and others. The branched-chain amino acids in cow and goat whey have valuable independent detox effects. Amino acid supplements, especially with a concentrate of brached chain amino acids are valuable.
* Metals attach themselves only in places that are programmed for attachment of metal ions. Mineral deficiency provides the opportunity for toxic metals to attach themselves to vacant binding sites. A healthy mineral base is a prerequisite for all metal detox attempts (selenium, zinc, manganese, germanium, molybdenum etc.). Substituting minerals can detoxify the body by itself. Just as important are electrolytes (sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium), which help to transport toxic waste across the extracellular space towards the lymphatic and venous vessels.
* Lipids (made from fatty acids) make up 60-80 % of the central nervous system and need to be constantly replenished. Deficiency makes the nervous system vulnerabe to the fat soluble metals, such as metallic mercury constantly escaping as odorless and invisible vapour from the dental amalgam fillings.
* Without enough fluid intake the kidneys may become contaminated with metals. The basal membranes swell up and the kidneys can no longer efficiently filtrate toxins. Adding a balanced electrolyte solution in small amounts to water helps to restore intra-and extracellular fluid balance

Pharmaceuticals
* DMSA . Developed in China in the late 50s. Action via sulfhydryl group. Needs to be given every 4 hours around the clock to prevent redistribution of Hg and lead into the CNS. Approved for use in lead toxixcity. Causes major brain fog, memory problems during detox, depression and in children sometimes seizure disorders due to redistribution of metals. Indiscriminate use in the US. Common dose: 50-100 mg q4h - 3 days on, 11 days off for 3-12 months
* DMPS: developed in Russia as further development of BAL. Available both injectable and oral. The oral form is the most effective oral chelator commercially available. 1 tabl TID. Common dosage: 3 days on, 11 days off. The injectable form can be used to mobilize Hg and lead from hard to reach places, such as the autonomic ganglia, joints and trigger points. The iv injection works primarily on the endothelium (several hundred square meters) and the kidneys. Common dosage: 3 mg/kg body weight once/month. The iv form should never be used unless the patient is �covered`` with intestinal binding agents such as chlorella, cholestyramine, apple pectin or chitosan.
* Desferal: good subcutaneous detox agent for aluminum and iron. More severe possible anaphylactic reactions then with other common detox agents. Research by Canadian-German researcher Kruck showed good results with AD patients. Dosage: 1 vial/week s.c - 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off
* Ca EDTA: most information available at www.gordonresearch.com. Given as 1 minute push 5-10 ml once/week. Originally developped to remove s calcium deposits, recently found to also be effective for mercury and other metals including aluminum. Side effects are so far underreported and can be serious -mostly due to redistribution. The more conventional use of sodium EDTA over a 2 hr period was used to increase nitric oxide in the arteries causing vasodilation and increased perfusion of diseased heart muscle.
* Intravenous Vitamin C. Recent book by Tom Levy, MD. Detoxes mercury, lead and aluminum mostly over the colon which is desirable. I use 37.5 gms with 500 ml distilled water and 10 ml ca gluconate over 1 hr. Can be used daily. Once a week is common, especially during amalgam removal. Irritating to veins. Causes hypoglycemia. No serious side effects. Safe to use for most dentists.Oral vitamin C works less effectively. Must be given to bowel tolerance.

Natural Oral Agents

Cilantro (chinese parsley)
This kitchen herb is capable of mobilizing mercury, cadmium, lead and aluminum in both bones and the central nervous system. It is probably the only effective agent in mobilizing mercury stored in the inracellular space (attached to mitochondria, tubulin, liposomes etc) and in the nucleus of the cell (reversing DNA damage of mercury). Because cilantro mobilizes more toxins then it can carry out of the body, it may flood the connective tissue (where the nerves reside) with metals, that were previously stored in safer hiding places. This process is called re-toxification. It can easily be avoided by simultaneously giving an intestinal toxin-absorbing agent. A recent animal study demonstrated rapid removal of aluminum and lead from the brain and skeleton superior to any known other detox agent. Even while the animal was continuously poisoned with aluminum, the bone content of aluminum continued to drop during the observation period significantly.
Dosage and application of cilantro tincture: give 2 drops 2 times /day in hot water in the beginning, taken just before a meal or 30 minutes after taking chlorella (cilantro causes the gallbadder to dump bile - containing the excreted neurotoxins - into the small intestine. The bile-release occurs naturally as we are eating and is much enhanced by cilantro. If no chlorella is taken, most neurotoxins are reabsorbed on the way down the small intestine by the abundant nerve endings of the enteric nervous system). Gradually increase dose to 10 drops 3 times/day for full benefit. During the initial phase of the detox cilantro should be given 1 week on, 2 -3 weeks off. Fresh organic Cilantro works best (as much as person can compress in one hand), when given in hot Miso soup. Miso contains synergistically acting amino acids.

Other ways of taking cilantro: rub 5 drops twice/day into ankles for mobilization of metals in all organs, joints and structures below the diaphragm, and into the wrists for organs, joints and structures above the diaphragm. The wrists have dense autonomic innervation (axonal uptake of cilantro) and are crossed by the main lymphatic channels (lymphatic uptake).

Cilantro tea: use 10 to 20 drops in cup of hot water. Sip slowly. Clears the brain quickly of many neurotoxins. Good for headaches and other acute syptoms (joint pains, angina, headache): rub 10 -15 drops into painful area. Often achieves almost instant pain relief.


Chlorella:
Both C.pyreneidosa (better absorption of toxins, but harder to digest) and C.vulgaris (higher CGF content - see below, easier to digest, less metal absorbing capability) are available. Chlorella has multiple health inducing effects:
* Antiviral (especially effective against the cytomegaly virus from the herpes family)
* Toxin binding (mucopolysaccharide membrane)
all known toxic metals, environmental toxins such as dioxin and others
* Repairs and activates the bodys detoxification functions:
* Dramatically increases reduced glutathion,
* Sporopollein is as effective as cholestyramin in binding neurotoxins and more effective in binding toxic metals then any other natural substance found.
* Various peptides restore coeruloplasmin and metallothioneine,
* Lipids (12.4 %) alpha-and gamma-linoleic acid help to balance the increased intake of fish oil during our detox program and are necessary for a multitude of functions, including formation of ther peroxisomes.
* Methyl-coblolamine is food for the nervous system, restores damaged neurons and has ist own detoxifying efect.
* Chlorella growth factor helps the body detoxify itself in a yet not understood profound way. It appears that over millions of years chlorella has developed specific detoxifying proteins and peptides for every existing toxic metal.
* The porphyrins in chlorophyl have their own strong metal binding effect. Chlorophyll also activates the PPAR-receptor on the nucleus of the cell which is responsible for the transcription of Dna and coding the formation of the peroxisomes (see fish oil), opening of the cell wall (unknown mechanism) which is necessary for all detox procedures, normalizes insulin resistance and much more. Medical drugs that activate the PPAR receptor (such as pioglitazone) have been effective in the treatment of breast and prostate cancer.
* Super nutrient: 50-60% aminoacid content, ideal nutrient for vegetarians, methylcobolamin - the most easily absorbed and utilized form of B12, B6, minerals, chlorophyll, beta carotene etc.
* Immune system strengthening
* Restores bowel flora
* Digestive aid (bulking agent)
* Alkalinizing agent (important for patients with malignancies)

Dosage: start with 1 gram (=4 tabl) 3-4 times/day. This is the standard maintainance dosage for grown ups for the 6-24 months of active detox. During the more active phase of the detox (every 2-4 weeks for 1 week), whenever cilantro is given, the dose can be increased to 3 grams 3-4 times per day (1 week on, 2-4 weeks back down to the maintainance dosage). Take 30 minutes before the main meals and at bedtime. This way chlorella is exactly in that portion of the small intestine where the bile squirts into the gut at the beginning of the meal, carrying with it toxic metals and other toxic waste. These are bound by the chlorella cell wall and carried out via the digestive tract. When amalgam fillings are removed, the higher dose should be given for 2 days before and 2-5 days after the procedure (the more fillings are removed, the longer the higher dose should be given). No cilantro should be given around the time of dental work. During this time we do not want to moblize deeply stored metals in addition to the expected new exposure. If you take Vitamin C during your detox program, take it as far away from Chlorella as possible (best after meals).
Side effects: most side effects reflect the toxic effect of the mobilized metals which are shuttled through the organism. This problem is instantly avoided by significantly increasing the chlorella dosage, not by reducing it, which would worsen the problem (small chlorella doses mobilize more metals then are bound in the gut, large chlorella doses bind more toxins then are mobilized). Some people have problems digesting the cell membrane of chlorella. The enzyme cellulase resolves this problem. Cellulase is available in many health food stores in digestive enzyme products. Taking chlorella together with food also helps in some cases, even though it is less effective that way. C.vulgaris has a thinner cell wall and is better toerated by people with digestive problems.

Chlorella growth factor
This is a heat extract from chlorella that concentrates certain peptides, proteins and other ingredients. The research on CGF shows that children develop no tooth decay and their dentition (maxillary-facial development) is near perfect. There are less illnesses and children grow earlier to a larger size with higher I.Q and are socially more skilled. There are case reports of patients with dramatic tumor remissions after taking CGF in higher amounts. In our experience, CGF makes the detox experience for the patient much easier, shorter and more effective.
Recommended dosage: 1 cap. CGF for each 20 tabl.chlorella

NDF and PCA
Both are extracts from Chlorella and Cilantro and very effective in detoxing. They are well tolerated, but very expensive

Garlic (allium sativum) and wild garlic (allium ursinum)
Garlic has been shown to protect the white and red blood cells from oxidative damage, caused by metals in the blood stream - on their way out - and also has ist own valid detoxification functions. Garlic contains numerous sulphur components, including the most valuable sulph-hydryl groups which oxidize mercury, cadmium and lead and make these metals water soluble. This makes it easy for the organism to excrete these subastances. Garlic also contains alliin whis is enzymatically transformed into allicin, natures most potent antimicrobial agent. Metal toxic patients almost always suffer from secondary infections, which are often responsible for part of the symptoms. Garlic also contains the most important mineral which protects from mercury toxicity, bio active selenium. Most selemium products are poorly absorbable and do not reach those body compartments in need for it. Garlic selenium is the most beneficial natural bioavailable source. Garlic is also protectice for against heart disease and cancer.
The half life of allicin (after crushing garlic) is less then 14 days. Most commercial garlic products have no allicin releasing potential left. This distinguishes freeze dried garlic from all other products. Bear garlic tincture is excellent for use in detox, but less effective as antimicrobial agent.

Dosage: 1-3 capsules freeze dried garlic after each meal. Start with 1 capsule after the main meal per day, slowly increase to the higher dosage. Initially the patient may experience die-off reactions (from killing pathogenic fungal or bacterial organisms). Use 5-10 drops bear-garlic on food at least 3 times per day.


Fish oil:
It is clear that the high consumption of fish oil protects the client from the damage caused by the amalgam fillings. The same is true for the high intake of selenium.
The fatty acid complexes EPA and DHA in fish oil make the red and white blood cells more flexible thus improving the microcirculation of the brain, heart and other tissues. All detoxification functions depend on optimal oxygen delivery and blood flow. EPA and DHA protect the brain from viral infections and are needed for the development of intelligence and eye-sight. They also induce the formation of peroxisomes and helps protect them. The most vital cell organelle for detoxification is the peroxisome. These small structures are also responsible for the specific job each cell has: in the pineal gland the melatonin is produced in the peroxisome, in the neurons dopamine and norepinephrine, etc. It is here, where mercury and other toxic metal attach and disable the cell from doing its work. Other researchers have focussed on the mitochondria and other cellorganelles, which in our experience are damaged much later. The cell is constantly trying to make new peroxisomes to replace the damaged ones- for that task it needs an abundance of fatty acids, especially EPA and DHA. Until recently it was believed, that the body can manufacture ist own EPA/DHA from other Omega 3 fatty acids such as fish oil. Today we know, that this process is slow and cannot keep up with the enormous demand for EPA/DHA our systems have in todays toxic environment. Fish oil is now considered an essential nutrient, even for vegetarians. Recent research also revealed, that the transformation humans underwent when apes became intelligent and turned into humans happened only in coastal regions, where the apes started to consume large amounts of fish.
The fatty acids in fish oil are very sensitive to exposure to electromagnetic fields, temperature, light and various aspects of handling and processing. Trans fatty acids, long chain fatty acids, renegade fats and other oxydation products and contaminants are frequently found in most commercial products. Ideally, fish oil should be kept in an uninterrupted cooling chain until it ends up in the patients fridge. The fish-source should be mercury and contaminant free, which is becoming harder and harder. Fish oil should tast slightly fishy but not too much. If there is no fish taste, too much processing and manipulation has destroyed the vitality of the oil. If it tastes too fishy, oxydation products are present. There are 5 commercially available grades of fish oil. Grade I is the best.
Dosage: 1 capsule Omega 3 taken 4 times/day during the active phase of treatment, 1 caps. twice/day for maintainance
Best if taken together with chlorella
. Recently a fatty acid receptor has been discovered on the tongue, joining the other more known taste receptors. If the capsules are chewed or a liquid oil is taken, the stomach and pancreas start to prepare the digestive tract in exactly the right way to prepare for maximum absorption. To treat bipolar depression, post partum depression and other forms of mental disease, 2000 mg of EPA are needed/day (David Horrobin). For the modulation of malignancies, 120 mg of EPA 4 times/day are needed. The calculations can easily be done with the information given on the label.

Balanced electolyte solution (Selectrolyte)
The autonomic nervous system in most toxic patients is dysfunctional. Electric messages in the organism are not received, are misunderstood or misinterpreted. Toxins cannot be shuttled through the extracellular space. Increased intake of natural ocean salt (celtic sea salt) - and avoidance of regular table salt - has been found to be very effective in resolving some of these problems. Most effective is a solution pioneered by the American chemist Ketkovsky. He created the formula for the most effective electrolyte replacement, which was further improved by Morin Labs, and is now called �selectrolyte``.
Dosage: 1 tsp in a cup of good water 1-3 times/day During times of greater stress the dosage can be temporarily increased to 1 tbsp 3 times/day

Adjuvant therapies:
Lymphatic drainage
Mobilized metals and toxins tend to get stuck in the connective tissue and lymph channels. They can no longer be reached by biochemical agents. A mechanical approach is needed. Dr.Vodder�s MLD approach is very good. We are using a superb group of microcurrent instruments developed by a Japanese researcher. The results are often astounding. The device can also be applied transcranially to mobilize metals from the brain with ease and with no side effects, when the patient is simultaneously on a good detox program. I call this process electromobilization.
Photomobilization: I found that the release of metals from the CNS can be rapidly achieved with the use of narrow band polarized lightstimulation of the eyes. Each metal can be defined by it�s spectral emissions when it is heated up ( Fraunhofer lines). When light of the exact same frequency is beamed into the eye (using a special instrument) the release of this exact metal from the intracellular environment into the blood stream is triggered.
Sauna therapy
Peer reviewed literature shows that sweatting during sauna therapy eliminates high levels of toxic metals, organic compounds, dioxin, and other toxins. Sauna therapy is ideal to mobilize toxins from its hiding places. However, during a sauna, toxic metals can also be displaced from one body compartment into another. This means mercury can be shifted from the connective tissue into the brain. This untoward effect is completely prevented when the patient is on chlorella, cilantro and garlic. The addition of ozone can be used to deliver an effective anti-microorganism hit while in the sauna. The moment mercury and other metals are removed from the body, microorganisms start to grow. We use a ozone steam cabinet which allows us to combine the effects of hyperthermia and ozone therapy in a very safe and comfortable way.
Colon hydrotherapy:
Colong hydrotherapy removes not only fecal matter from the bowel but also sludge and debris that has attached itself to the wall of the colon. It has been shown that these residues can be years even decades old and often leaked out toxic doses of many different chemicals during those years of residue collection. During a metal detoxification program, many toxins appear on the bowel surface and shifted from bowel surface into the fecal matter. However, since many of the toxins are neurotoxins, and the colon is lined with nerve endings, many of the mobilized toxins are reabsorbed into the body on the way down. To intercept these toxins while in the colon, colon hydrotherapy is the ideal method.
Recommended use: 1-2 colonics per week during active phase of detox.
Acupuncture and Neural therapy:
Both are closely related techniques that balance the autonomic nervous system (ANS). Compartmentalized metals are often trapped because of specific dysfunctions of the ANS. Both can be resolved with either technique.
Exercise:
To facilitate in the detoxification process, exercise is absolutely needed. Many patients with chronic disease are unable to engage in vigorous exercise e.g. jogging. We help our clients to find the right level of exercise appropriate to their level of illness. Without exercise, mobilized toxins accumulate in the connective tissue, kidneys, lungs and skin and can cause a new set of symptoms and perpetuate the patient's illness. A good exercise program should include 3 components: a) muscle strength training b) aerobic training c) stretching.
Recommendations: 20 minutes twice a day is the minimum requirement during the active detox phase
Kidney protection:
When metals are mobilized a certain portion travels through the kidneys. The kidneys may react with swelling of the basal membranes and decrease in filtration rate. To prevent damage to the kidneys the patient has to drink increasing amounts of water (with selectrolyte solution). The kidny has a filtrating surface equal to a ping-pong table, the gut that of a soccer field. The nephrons - like brain cells - live long and cannot be replaced once damaged. The gut membranes are renewed every 3 days. It is foolsih to push toxic metals through the kidneys and wise, to push them out through the gut. Chlorella pulls toxic metals through the mucosal surface of the intestines from the blood and protects the kidneys.
Additional recommended supplement: Renelix 15 drops three times a day
Bowel flora:
When metals are moved out of the body through the feces, the bowel flora is damaged. During the active phase of the detox, chlorella works as an excellent pre-probiotic: It selectively feeds the good bowel flora. In addition, we recommend taking HLC (Acidophilus/Bifidus) two capsules with each meal.


Psychological issues:
There is a strange but largely overlooked association of metal toxicity and psychological issues.
I found that often when the client has a breakthrough in psychotherapy her/his symptoms become temporarily worse. This is often falsely believed to be a healing crisis (immune system acivation). In this situation the client�s urine will often show high levels of toxic metals with out a provocative agent being used. The psychological intervention has led to a release of deeply stored toxins. I developed a targeted rapid approach to resolve related psychological issues called �applied psychoneurobiology or APN``, which is a form of muscle biofeedback assisted counseling.
The Klinghardt Axiom and the Triad of Detoxification:
By experience I found the following to be true: each unresolved psycho-emotional conflict or each unresolved past trauma causes the body to lose the ability to successfully recognize and excrete toxic substances. Also each entanglement or limiting connection with another family member, unhealed relationships and unhealthy, non-life affirmative attitudes limit the organisms ability to detoxify itself. In fact, the type of retained metal or other toxin and the body compartment, where it is stored, can be predicted with a high degree of certainty by knowing what type of unresolved psycho- emotional conflict is present in a client and at what age the associated event occurred.

For each unresolved psychological issue there is an equal amount of toxins stored in the body.

When the patient starts to effectively detoxify on the physical level, repressed emotional material moves from the unconscious to the more superficial subconscious part of the brain. Instead of feeling better from the lessened toxin burden, the patient will often start to experience unpleasant inner states of being, e.g. tension, anxiety, sadness or anger. This is commonly mistaken as a side-effect of the medications used for detoxification or as an unspecified ``detox reaction''. When this emotional material is not dealt with, the body stops releasing further toxins - the tension or discrepancy between the unresolved psycho-emotional material and the already released physical toxins is too large. Both are out of balance - the toxin container is less full then the container with the unresolved emotions. Unless appropriate psychological intervention is chosen as the next step in treatment, detoxification cannot progress.

Things are further complicated by the increased activity of microorganisms such as fungi and molds, bacteria, viruses, prions and different species of mycoplasma during a detox program. Insecticides, herbicides, wood preservatives, mercury, and other toxins are used by us with a single purpose - to stop the growth of microorganisms and other unwanted pests in the outside world (farm fields, materials and furniture made from wood, to preserve food, etc.). When these toxic agents have entered our inner environment (via the food chain, air, water, skin contact or amalgam fillings) they have the same effect in us. They stop the growth of microorganisms - at a price: they also harm the cells of our body. As the patient is detoxifying from these agents, microorganisms may grow out of control, since the growth of the microbes is no longer inhibited by the poison. Paradoxically, it is the toxin induced impairment of our immune system that enables the microorganisms to enter our system in the first place. Once established, they are hard to conquer and removing the causative toxin is no longer enough. The organism needs help with the elimination of the infectious agents.

The flare-up of previously hidden infections occurs regularly during mercury detoxification. Historically, this fact is well known: mercury was used quite effectively for treatment of the bacterial spirochete causing syphilis. Some people died from side effects of the treatment, but many people lived after eradication of the infection. The reverse happens, when we withdraw mercury from the body: spirochetes, streptococci and other microorganisms present in many hiding places (such as the red blood cells, the jaw bone, inside the lateral canals of a root filled tooth, inside the calculus of a bone spur, in the soft tissues of a whip-lash injured neck, in the gray matter of the brain etc.) may start to grow and extend their hold on us. Microorganisms use their respective neurotoxins to gradually achieve control over our immune system, our behavior, our thinking, and every aspect of our biochemistry. It is the microbial neurotoxins that are responsible for many, if not most poison related symptoms, not the poisons themselves.

For each equivalent of stored toxins there is an equal amount of pathogenic microorganisms in the body (Milieu theory of Bechamp)

Patients who are infected with Borrelia burgdorferi, the spirochete which causes Lyme disease, often are unaware of their illness. They may have some joint pains or fatigue, but nothing that alarms them. However, frequently they start to become more symptomatic during or after a successful mercury detoxification program: they may experience MS-like symptoms such as muscle weakness, increased levels of pain, numbness, fatigue or mental decline. The same is true for infections with mycoplasma, streptococci, tuberculosis and others. Therefore, it is important to anticipate the temporarily enhanced growth of microorganisms during a successful detox program. There is a latent period in which the microorganisms are already recovered, but the host's immune system is not. During this time the practitioner has to prescribe appropriate antifungal, antibacterial, antiviral, and antimycoplasma medications. I prefer natural solutions which are often sufficient - or even better in the long run then medical drugs - such as freeze dried garlic, bee propolis, colloidal gold and microbial inhibition microcurrent frequencies.

The immunesystem in a client with unresolved psychoemotional material and compartmentalized toxins is unable to recognize and eliminate the microorganisms present in the toxic areas of the body. Those areas serve as hiding and breeding places for these organisms. Unfortunately they have been termed ``stealth organisms'', implying that they behave in secret unpredictable ways, that they have learned to evade a perfectly evolved and functional immune sytem. There is a fear, that they are slowly gaining control over us and that there is really nothing we can do about it. We can, if we understand the triad of detoxification.

The Detoxification Axiom:
For each unresolved psycho-emotional conflict or trauma there is an equivalent of stored toxins and an equivalent of pathogenic microorganisms. To successfully detoxify the body the three issues have to be addressed simultaneously.

The triad of detoxification:
* Detoxification of the physical body
* Treatment of latent microorganisms and parasites
* Treatment of unresolved psycho-emotional issues

E. Conclusion:
Detoxing the patient from heavy metals can be an elegant smooth experience or rollercoaster ride. The problems that occur can always be resolved with the use of autonomic response testing (ART). Without the use of ART and addressing the psychological issues (with APN), embarking on a heavy metal detox program can be unsatisfying, incomplete, sometimes dangerous and may not lead to resolution of the underlying medical condition. We recommend that each patient undergoing a metal detox program stays under the supervision of an experienced and qualified practitioner. There are many more ways to approach metal detox. However, many roads I have witnessed also did not lead to complete resolution of the underlying problem and are shortsighted. The practitioner should avoid short term interventions for long term issues and should not underestimate the depth and magnitude of the underlying problem.

F. References
and recommended reading about mercury from dental fillings and related issues.

The references for chlorella, CGF, Fish oil, cilantro, garlic, ART, APN and others can be obtained from the American Academy of Neural Therapy: [email protected] and at www.neuraltherapy.com

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Gigi, for the first few weeks after surgery I was having a sour taste ooze out of the wound site. I had never had any sour taste prior to surgical intervention, and determined that this must be good because the toxins are releasing out of there. however, it is still a month later and I still have some slight sour tast coming from the #14 site.

I have been putting the KMT 24 nodes right no my cheeks several times a week to facilitate further healing in my jawbone. I am wondering if this somehow is causing continued draining of the bad areas?

Or di I need to consider going back in to the surgeon and doing a "final cleanuo"?

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Gigi, for the first few weeks after surgery I was having a sour taste ooze out of the wound site. I had never had any sour taste prior to surgical intervention, and determined that this must be good because the toxins are releasing out of there. however, it is still a month later and I still have some slight sour tast coming from the #14 site.

I have been putting the KMT 24 nodes right no my cheeks several times a week to facilitate further healing in my jawbone. I am wondering if this somehow is causing continued draining of the bad areas?

Or di I need to consider going back in to the surgeon and doing a "final cleanuo"?

Logan

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This darn topic just keeps coming back and haunting me.

I was just thinking this morning before reading this thread...maybe I need to start the teeth process $$$$$$ and I wonder if I should have my one and only root canal removed first or start on my dozen teeth with metals?

It's all Gigi's fault. I see her name on here and my mind/heart instantly tell me to quit avoiding this issue.

Pam

PS Bejoy, back in 05 I had started doing strep freqs with my rife machine (muscle testing revealed). My one and only root canal went ballistic on me during those sessions for over several days. It pulsed and throbbed like someone had taken a hammer to it. Finally whatever it was died, if I'm lucky. I had never had pain in that dead tooth until I ran those freqs. I wonder what else is in hiding there?

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Logan,

you paid the surgeon a lot of money -- so call him/her and ask the question. It takes a long time for toxins to be released. High MSM doses - I posted details just yesterday or day before - help to release the dental toxins. Lymph drainages, done manually and with KMT, help.


Map,

Do the TOPAS test - it costs little and can be done by anyone that has the kit. Many alternatives and knowledgable dentists do it.
Then you know for sure. If it releases toxic proteins after the tooth has been agitated a bit, you know for certain that it is not healthy.

Usually, dead teeth do not necessarily hurt.

Take care.

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....booting up for laceyj regarding dental list for biological dentists:

Send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to Laura Lee at P.O. Box 3010, Bellevue, Washington 98009 to receive 2 lists. (posted on above post by Gigi in 2007)

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thanks! this is great information

but after reading all this

how do you treat cavitations or is it even possible
so overwhelming! im still researching!

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Pulling up an old thread about root canals, cavitations etc, for the ones interested in reading.

Different types of opinions are shown.

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A very interesting study: you can see exactly why such dead teeth (root canal) have much more space to harbor bacteria than healthy teeth!

http://www.orotox.de/assets/pdf/Multidimensional-diagnosis.pdf

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I had a root canal and apicoectomy early on in my Lyme treatment. I really needed it and it helped.

I do think that chronic problems in that tooth - namely a first unsuccessful root canal by an incompetent dentist - weakened my immune system and made me prone to Lyme. (Moral: don't ever get a root canal by a dentist; go to an endodontist).

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I had a visit to a nighttime clinic last night from an infected tooth. Had a wound there since the dentist had removed some gum to let it drain. Have the apicoectomy scheduled for Tuesday morning.

My infection almost killed me. I was given Prednisone, which I normally would never take, because the doctor said it was a life or death issue. They upped my clindamycin, 300 mg 4xday and added Zith. I've also got Augmentin if I feel the clindamycin is no longer helping.

I'm hoping the apicoectomy on two root canals will eliminate this infection. While down the line i'll probably need these two teeth out, I'm not ready to deal with extractions. I had a tooth removed 6 months ago and it was awful. Problem there with the biological dentist is he did not give anything for the infection other than ozonated oil.

There is a gapping medical hole between dentists and the medical field. Crazy, all the suffering.

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So sorry for you Jackie. It is extremely dangerous, I agree. Just go on doing what you feel your body can handle.

I hope your infection goes down fast. I had soooo many teeth problems, even after lyme was gone. The advantage is that, without lyme, you have time and energy to treat the mouth thoroughly.

With lyme, there is little time, little resources, lack of energy to go and do a deeper treatment. There is a huge gap between dentistry and medicine! It's as though our mouth do not belong to your body but are separate entities!!

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I'm much better. That clinic doctor saved my life. All my mysterious pains are gone and my mouth doesn't hurt anymore.

Crazy.

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Amazing!!!! Glad it helped you!!!
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