Testing the usefulness of twin formation theory: the tocopherols and vitamin D. Kunst L, Ladas H.
Hunter College CUNY, NYC 10021.
The theoretical and empirical search for biologically and pharmacologically active molecules has long been of interest.
In 1965 Revici proposed a class of biologically and pharmacologically active molecules which he described as having twin formations.
Twin formations are defined as molecules containing two or more adjacent carbon atoms having the same induced electrical charge.
An examination of recently discovered facts about the biological activity of the tocopherol family and of vitamin D lends support to this concept, which if true, could greatly facilitate selection of promising pharmacological substances for testing. PMID: 2345533
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HI, Pingpong -
I have no idea what this means. Do you?
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I think it means the pharmaceutical companies want to clone natural nutrients and make money, money, money. What other reason would there be. We can already get those now, for real.
Why would we need copies ? It's not nice to fool mother nature.
They may have the same carbon atoms, but something would have to be different if they are going to get a patent, I think.
Unless they would try to get a patent on actual Vit. D or E somehow. I guess if someone else can own a patent on anyone's blood, who know what would be allowed.
And, it's true, if a patient has a blood test done and a researcher finds something unique, the patient doesn't even have to know that the research can just take that for their own gain in the name of research and development (and sales).
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There already is a patent on a vitamin D production process, and it was granted shortly after the discovery of the vitamin, but not by the discoverer. Someone found that a fungus elaborates a cholesterol like substance (ergosterol) and when that substance is exposed to UV light, it is converted to a vitamin D like substance, ergocalciferol. The process is inexpensive, and can be manipulated to produce oodles of ergo. The kicker is, Ergocalciferol is only about 25% as effective as the natural vitamin D we make from sunshine, so you would need 3-4 times as much in your blood to get the same effect as your own natural vitamin D and to get a level of ergo that high, you's be flirting with vitamin D toxicity. Now also realize that ergocalciferol is the form of vitamin D that foods are fortified with, it's cheap, remember?...Makes you wonder dunnit?
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Hmmmm.
So, what do you take to supplement your Vit D intake, doc?
It's currently 18 below zero here so I've little interest in sunbathing at the moment - although it looks like another sunny, frigid day.
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Look for a vitamin D product that specifically states that is derived from fish or cod liver oil, that is the closest to our natural sun derived D. Fish derived D does not come in doses over 1000 Iu, so if a product says 2000, 5000, 10000, or 50000 units, it is either ergo, or a lanolin derived product and not as effective as sun induced or fish derived...
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Hi there Pong....
How about explaining a practical use for this
If quantum physics is telling us that when one atom of say the gas helium is taken to -.000001 kelvin while placed under pressure and then lazer cooled to perhaps -.000000001 kelvin it displays properties of a wave that includes atoms which can have the same properties of energy at two ends of the universe and display these properties simultaneously.
how do you add this mechanism into the manufacture of a more potent vitamin D?
And yo, How does that help the human suffering from Paget's syndrome or the resorption of calcium once the body past menopause male or female starts consuming it's own skeletal structure...causing osteoporosis?
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I don't know how the quantum physical explanation for observing identical phenomena simultaneously at two ends of a universe can help, but anyone with post meno- or andro-pause problem should be closely following their vitamin D levels, as the hormone form will substitute somewhat for the missing Growth Hormone...
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Just to add to this multifaceted discussion...
I've been on the frequently discussed Marshall Protocol for 15 months, and have experienced remarkable progress. I seem to have had the deepest "cleansing" or herxing in the winter months -- when I get very little sunshine.
As many of you know vitamin D is said to be a seco-steroid, which has a suppressive effect on the immune function. A recent technical paper I read demonstrates shows how D can alter the biochemistry of the spinal disc nucleus (I can send you the paper & PowerPoint).
If one has a "normal and healthy" immune system, and they are free of stealth pathogens, maybe dietary D is a good thing. But by recognizing the "duplicity of D," I have my life back!
If anyone wants more information or insights, feel free to email or PM. I am no one's "groupee" and just want to help.
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That's only partly true, it is a seco-steroid, but its effect on the immune system is regulatory, not suppressive. You say you herxed more in the winter months; that means you felt lousy more often in the winter months, and that is consistent with a low vitamin D level, Lyme disease or not. While there may be elements of the Marshall protocol that will benefit someone with immune system challenge through detoxification and nutrient repletion, limiting vitamin D intake and production can only be detrimental to good health, and will likely prolong whatever illness is present. In addition, a study in "Stroke" demonstrated that vitamin D deficiency is present in most cases of acute stroke. It would be interesting to look at all comers who went on the Marshall protocol to see if there was a tendency to stroke...and if there was such a tendency, it was likely (and erroneously) attributed to Lyme sequellae, and not D deficiency.
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best i recall from revici's work, 'twin formation' means two adjacent atoms in an organic molecule that have the same electic charge. in inorganic ceemistry, this is not a stable atomic arrangement, as like charges repel.
no, i'm not a chemist, but tis is my understanding.
when i find my memory stick, i can post more on this.
see text of emmanual revici, m.d. aearch of this site should pull up title of his book.
fwiw, i thought i'd post this, esp. w/ injunctions against its supplemental use by a certain medical 'regimen', employment of which, would result, and heas resulted in, a severe vit. d deficit, and 'visits' to the e.r. by some with adrenal failure, and other, concommitent, conditone deriving both thereby,t herefrom. i never did regimen i allude to.
will be back on this topic when i find my memory stick for the files it contains on vit. d.
scientists and medical people, either with, or without lyme can further contribute to this thread, if they so elect to do so. many more of these on this board more qualified than i.
good luck
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quote:Originally posted by DoctorLuddite: While there may be elements of the Marshall protocol that will benefit someone with immune system challenge through detoxification and nutrient repletion...
Exactly what elements?
quote:Originally posted by DoctorLuddite: In addition, a study in "Stroke" demonstrated that vitamin D deficiency is present in most cases of acute stroke.
"Present" but not "causal." That distinction is important!
quote:Originally posted by DoctorLuddite: It would be interesting to look at all comers who went on the Marshall protocol to see if there was a tendency to stroke...and if there was such a tendency, it was likely (and erroneously) attributed to Lyme sequellae, and not D deficiency.
I've never seen a single report of stroke while on MP. Since the FDA monitors the MP website, I'm sure any such incident wouldn't go unnoticed.
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I was wondering if canned salmon had any Vitamin D left it in it after processing?
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