springshowers
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The thing it's more complex than rife and applying frequencies.
If you read up on the super pulsed lasers and application of Hz it can come down to depth of penetration. But it depends and can be based on the design of the laser device. There are so many !
My goals are more based on affecting cells and fats and being able to do lymph drainages and apply to my blood and veins and joints and change the dynamics as per some examples below and the dissolving of fats in tissues and blood. Things I feel I want are not targeting the killing per say of infections. I could decide later to want that option and or need that option. But also even without dialing In lasers do affect infections by inhibiting growth and replication and or neutralizing it. I have seen this with both viral cold sores and nail fungus which have been virtually stopped in there tracks.
It's all a matter of research and applying what you learn and make your choice on how and why you want to apply the technology and what your goals are and what parameters you feel are important. I could have gotten a different device that does have ability to dial I exact frequencies but the other parameters and technology and power and features would have not been up to par I personally wanted for the price point I was at. Yes everyone is different in there situation and where they are I treatment and recovery and what they feel they are dealing with and what approach they want to take.
This is why I took down the first thread. It's quite complex and personal. Education and research a must and learn all you can. The ranges of cold lasers and kinds and types and features and types and and and and list is long. Once you start looking you will have a mind boggle and I can't type it all here.
Below are just some do the things that helped me decide to want to use this as well my personal experiences with doctors.
The technology utilizes high intensity super luminous and laser diodes to irradiate diseased or traumatized tissue with photons. These particles of energy are selectively absorbed by the cell membrane and intracellular molecules, resulting in the initiation of a cascade of complex physiological reactions, leading to the restoration of normal cell structure and function.
Where there is a breakdown of tissue, either from acute injury or chronic condition, the cells in that area function poorly. Cold Laser Therapy assists these cells by providing "photon energy" (light) to the cells. Within each of these cells there is a small power plant known as "mitochondria." The mitochondria produces energy in the form of ATP (Adenesine Triphosphate) to stimulate the normal function of those cells.
Cold Laser Therapy stimulates the mitochondria into hyperactivity, in turn, generating more energy than usual for cells to repair themselves. With the extra boost of energy, cells perform more efficiently and effectively. The result is enhanced healing.
The immune response is stimulated. Lymphatic drainage is improved. The histamine response is positively altered. Production of growth hormone is increased. The body’s natural healing processes are enhanced. This therapy is completely safe and has no adverse side effects.
Short Term Effects Production and release of beta-endorphins (these are morphine-like substances produced by various cells in the body that inhibit the sensation of pain). Cortisol production is increased (cortisol is the precursor of cortisone). This enables the body to combat the stress associated with trauma or the disease process. The short-term effect is significant in 5-10% of cases during or after the conclusion of the initial treatment, but is not as important as the long term or cumulative effect.
Long Term or Cumulative Effect ATP (adenosine triphosphate) production is increased resulting in improved cellular metabolism. DNA (deoxyribonucleicacid) production; the protein building block of tissue is substantially increased. Neurotransmission is facilitated, secondary to elevated levels of serotonin and aceytylcholine. Mitochondrial activity is stimulated, resulting in cell replication, etc. (i.e. replacement, regeneration and repair of abnormal cells). Modulation of macrophages, fibroblasts and other cells occur. The occurrence of Angiogenesis, or the formation of new blood vessels. Cell membrane potential is regulated, essential in Na, Cl and K ion transfer (electrolyte balance). Cytokines and other chemicals enhancing cellular communications are released.
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But yes. If I had the extra money I would have bought up higher in the same technology to have the ability to dial in manually settings and have more control. I may come to the conclusion I need to trade mine in for that option in my future. I don't know. So far I'm barely handling the response and herx relations of one single setting and I am noticing gains inbetween and my targets are all those other things above that help my system get back to normal after years of disease in it. And I am hoping it's kicking back biofilms in my neck. That where I get strongest herx so far ironically.
If I was newly diagnosed I may be thinking more on the lines of killing and targeting direct to kill.
In my first post I explained I had plateaued on rife but made good gains and was holding those but not making more progress with it. I knew my body was feeling like it had died along the way on a cellular level.
I am still so pleasantly surprised and I don't even want to report more til times goes by as we all know sometimes we start out and something seems to be doing great but it doesn't sustain that for you. That's why we are chasing things a lot. I will say I'm pretty happy and hopeful.
It has not been easy though. But for Someone else it could do nothing for them. For others they may choose the wrong laser or capabilities to make any affect at a deep level. Or they may not need it.
It's all very complex. Again, That's why I decided not to talk about it that much and I can't recommend it or any specifics besides I feel it's what my body needs and I feel I got right one for the job that was affordable at least for me for now that would do the job I had in my mind to do.
Vague yes. But you can see why.
I wish it was more simple.
I believe cold laser is not tapped yet as deep as it will go as a Treatment technology as it can do so many things for chronic illnesses and symptoms and causes. The FDA regulates a lot of that and hence the advertising and even how units are set up and manuals etc only can contain the approved applications.
I am buying a special book written by researcher and specialist in the field and it explains special uses of lasers and alternative applications. It explains all the technology and features and how to evalute to buy. I was not told about this until after I bought but I am still pushing my Leaning.
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So are you guys really getting well using the rife?
I've had a difficult year of several family tragedies and I had a mild heart attack. I'm finally getting to a point where I can start working on the lyme again, and I'm really not sure what's been working and what people are trying now.
When I started researching tonight I saw all these articles stating that current rife machines don't work and that its a hoax.
I have a gb4000, but have never used it consistently. I know they've made a new item for the unit that boosts it somehow - I think it's called a MOPA, and I could invest in that.
But I'd really like to know if anyone is making really good progress with rife or not, and if so, would you say to stay with the gb4000, add the MOPA, or are other units better?
I also see many people using mms with rife. I've been using it for flues and colds and think it's great but harsh on my stomach.
Has anyone tried adding it to their rife protocol?
I'd appreciate any feedback.
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If you have the amplifier for the GB-4000 you can just use that. No point in spending more money at this point. The GB-4000 and SR-4 amp should be plenty good to reduce Lyme and coinfections.
I have not used colloidal silver so can't comment on that part.
My wife is doing well with occasional treatments now. I did recently discover she had Brucella. Did not appear to cause any symptoms but treating it anyway.
It took quite some time to get her 100%, but we got there.
Most people using frequency treatments are at the Rifing Lyme Facebook site.
Dan
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Hey Dan,
I'm thinking of trying to hit Babesia Duncani specifically, instead of with just broad protozoan frequencies (432, 753, etc.). Do you have or know of a number(s) for just Duncani?
I'm not on facebook, so thought you might be of some help thanks in advance, TNT
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I don't know off hand but I will look into it.
Dan
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Not a rife, but a zapper.
They use the same frequencies.
Just noticed on the back of my frequency book, in Europe the customer service contact is at zapper, and in us and Canada the customer service rep is at rife.
Just wanted to share this because of the similar frequency sets.
I have NOT used my zapper for TBD frequency sets yet.
Something I have been trying this week, and it literally amazes me, and makes me think that there is a chance the Zapper will work for TBDs is:
My allergies were so bad I was getting a bloody nose. I was double on all the allergy meds and not finding relief.
Allergies, my understanding, are the immune system thinking pollen is Public Enemy #1 and releasing a histamine army to fight the pollen.
This is the fourth night I am running these frequencies.
I have not used allergy meds in three days, and have only sneezed once.
I put the positive red strap on my left foot, and the negative black strap on my right foot, and then I go to bed, while the zapper runs the sweeps of each frequency.
The first two nights, my body woke me up when it had enough, and I turned the zapper off, and removed the foot straps.
Last night, I slept with them on almost 7 hours, so it would have ran seven full sets of the frequencies with rest periods in between.
Had some mild encephalitis today. Pretty sure this was a herx from having the zapper on too long.
Anyways, that's my news for the zapper. "
It encourages me to run the TBD frequencies on it.
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I can't find any specific frequency for Babesia Duncani. I guess the general set is all there is for that strain.
Sorry.
Dan
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D Bergy
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Char Boehm can calculate frequencies for any pathogen that has been genetically sequenced. You could contact her and see if she can calculate a frequency.
Please spread to word around,as many don't know about this awesome forum. Still only a young forum since just this January.The Spooky Team is P*ssing some manufacturers off as, the XM's super low cost is causing them to lose sales$$$ John W & Co are NOT in this for profit. Some times the Pioneers are attacked.
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Newbie to rife here, have been treating Lyme and coinf. with abx for 6 years. Rifing every 2 weeks, have had four sessions so far. Now doing 90 minute sessions.
This is at my naturopath's office, I do not know specifically what rife machine she uses, altho it is a "contact" type.
Since starting rife, the weakness in my legs has worsened, to the point that sometimes my ankles give out. I have been assuming that this is a herx reaction. Also have more episodes of hand numbness where hand-flapping will bring the feeling back.
Are these typical herx reactions? Or do I need to worry about rife actually worsening my condition permanently?
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- I'm sorry to hear of this and know how disappointed you must be. I had similar experiences with a contact rife with a (non LL) ND years ago. Terrible reactions because they did not know what they were doing, regarding lyme -- and even 30 minutes was way too long for me.
You may need to start with just a short time.
90 minutes can be way too long. The liver / kidneys could be overwhelmed, just as if you were to rife more frequently than every 12 days.
IMO, it sure sounds like too much time. How many infections are being addressed with each session? Maybe too many at once.
Is the ND very, very lyme literate and knowledgeable about how it applies to lyme & coinfections?
Do you ALWAYS end with time on 10K? that is very important.
WHAT FREQUENCIES were used, for how long?
If you post those here, others will know better how to guide you. Your ND should have that in your file notes. Ask the office manager to send you a copy "for your personal use"
Also, not sure if your liver / kidney support might need to be revisited, it's vital to rife and needs to be adjusted periodically.
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- Oh, you said you have to do "hand flapping" to bring feeling back to your hands. Try to avoid that, it can be interpreted by your tender tissue as very violent. You might really slow down those moves or ask someone to gently massage your hands.
The ND should be made aware of the effects. And ask for acupressure points you can use for your hands instead, too. -
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Yes, I just got Rosner's book. Starting to read it.
The naturopath seems Lyme-literate, but hasn't joined ILADS yet. Her own son had Lyme as a toddler, and she dx'd Lyme when the pediatrician said no way.
I was hoping the worsening of sx was simply a herx reaction. Now I don't know. I have been on abx for six years, many symptoms improved, but leg weakness and neuropathy remain.
Thanks for y'alls feedback.
I will ask her about the frequencies, also get make, model# of the unit.
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Leg weakness balance problems started for my wife when I treated Bart. Nerve problems were from both Bart and Lyme, but mostly Lyme.
Both Bart and Lyme would swell her ankles. Brucella seems to also favor the feet. May be her weak area.
She appears to also have Brucella but I have not seem symptoms related to it. Just reacts with pain to the frequencies until it is reduced.
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I contacted Char Boehm a while back and asked about freqs for babs duncani and Char said she does not have any freqs for that strain.
I rotated Mepron and malarone for 18 months. Each time I stopped the meds, all my symptoms would come back. I started Mc-Babs 2 a couple of months ago because others told me it works best for duncani. My sweats are way less than before and I feel so much better now!
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- Inner ear issues can also come with the toxic load. Weakness in legs, balance trouble can also be from the inner ear stress.
The inner ear is the first organ system of the body to detect toxins. When the toxic load is too high, too, it's off kilter in so many aspects.
Liver support can be a huge help here to the ears . . . but also being sure that the toxic load is managed as best possible. Not too fast or hard with any treatment (which is tricky as we do have to be assertive). -
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quote:Originally posted by RZR: I started Mc-Babs 2 a couple of months ago because others told me it works best for duncani. My sweats are way less than before and I feel so much better now!
What is "Mc-Babs 2"? Also, what exactly is Brucella? My learning curve is getting longer and longer!
I too have drenching sweats, but only daytime, never nights. My LLMD wants me to do sauna, I say WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!
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quote:Originally posted by Keebler: - Do you ALWAYS end with time on 10K? that is very important.
WHAT FREQUENCIES were used, for how long?
If you post those here, others will know better how to guide you. Your ND should have that in your file notes. Ask the office manager to send you a copy "for your personal use"
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OK, my ND tells me the machine is a Rife Digital by BioResonance.
The frequencies are: 0.65, 2.50,7.50, 25.23, 70.00, 42.50, 95.67, 378.95, 523.01, and 682.02.
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I have a DT rife machine- where do I begin?
I am in "remission" having treated Lyme, babs and Bart and would like to stay that way
A friend lent me her machine, but I haven't the foggiest idea where to begin!!
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Run 2016 Hz for Lyme.
Then try 832 Hz for Bart.
See if you have any response.
Start with about a two minute treatment. Work up to ten minutes. If you have no response that would be fabulous.
Dan
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I've been treating with the GB4000 for 4 1/2 years.
After 4 years, i had to send the machine for repairs. They upgraded the carrier crystal from 24 K to 31 K and replaced two fans out of 4 in the amplifier.
My main symptoms now are from Candida. I had been throwing up. Then i found that a whole-body candida treatment works well, instead of an abdomen treatment, so i now i don't throw up. My main candida frx are in Nena Sylver's book The Rife Handbook on p.485,(copyright), 2009 edition.
A Babs frx that seems to work well for me , i think, is 77824 , which is 76 times 2 to the 10th. I tried it just experimentally and i have the impression that it seems to work well.
The Lyme frx that seem to work for me are: sweep 39263 to 39274 (that's the best one), sweep 39200 to 39230, sweep 6050 to 6150, etc.
I also use the PE-1 Photonics Energetics NIR device, on direct, with no accompaniments, for a quickie 5 or 10 min treatment for a boost when i'm in a hurry.
I have minimal symptoms: some head wooziness, Candida, some insomnia,;a few eye or ear pains not very often.
It works for me!
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I have been debating whether to put this out there before knowing all the facts for certain, so consider this experimental until it is tested for a longer time.
I have been looking for a cyst busting frequency for quite some time. A friend who has her own battle with Lyme suggested trying two frequencies for cyst form. Anecdotal evidence from others convinced me it was worth a try.
My wife has always reacted to frequencies that hit Lyme related pathogens as they are run. They cause her pain and discomfort. As I run them longer, the pain goes away with the pathogen. If the frequency does not kill the pathogen, the pain during treatment remains. This is the basis upon how I find what frequencies work, and which do not.
Their can be different strains of a Lyme and coinfections so it only concerns the strains of infections she has personally. So if a particular frequency does not affect her it does not necessarily mean that frequency is invalid. It could also mean she does not have the strain involved with that frequency.
With all that in mind, I have been testing 840.6 Hz.
At first, it caused her pain as it was running and resulted in joint pain that lasted a couple of weeks. I kept running it and gradually the joint pain went away. I ran it last night for a half hour and no pain or effect from running it.
I am thinking that this frequency hit something. It is not spirochete or any other active form of Lyme. She has very little of those forms of Lyme. Given that it caused joint pain in virtually every joint, like when we first started treating, I am fairly sure it is cyst form. 840 Hz is also listed as a cyst form treatment already. Not far from 840.6.
Work up to running this frequency for at least half an hour. I have run it as long as an hour.
I will have to treat for a few more weeks at least to make sure all of it is gone. Then I have to wait several months to see if the Lyme comes back again, to see if she is completely cured.
Rather than wait for all that before putting it out there, I decided to post it here if others want to experiment with it.
One possible side effect. I doubt this was the cause of our very old cat going blind, but it occurred at the same time as I started using these frequencies. It is very old and probably should have died by now so it could have went blind for any number of reasons.
It still is possible that this cat which spent a lot of time outside, had Lyme. I would say it is unlikely it did not have it, given my area. It is also possible, but unlikely that in cats the cysts end up in the eyes and breaking them might at least temporarily cause blindness. It is unlikely but I am also putting that out there also just in case.
It has cataracts already and I am treating it for that. It regained a slight amount of its sight one day but is gone again now.
At no time did this treatment affect my wife's vision.
That all I have now.
Dan
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- CHART HEAVEN
Pardon me if someone has posted this before.
And, I could sure use some help to determine if the figures here seem on track.
This is the layout I've been looking for like, forever. I've not had time to sort through the numbers in regard to those posters say help them the most (here in this discussion thread).
Still, this is one handy dandy chart set. It does print out nicely, though tiny print to fit on the page. Four pages of charts, page 5, important notes.
for Doil Coil (though frequencies are all the same regardless of the machine type). On page 5:
"1 minute of Doug Coiling equals approximately 5+ minutes with other RIFE instruments."
And from the notes my EMEM 5a RIFE maker sent me:
Do not run machine more than 30 minutes at one time. It needs to cool down after that for a while. -
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Thanks for the link. I have not seen that particular list before.
Dan
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Excuse my vaguely remembered ideas; i haven't researched things for a long time.
Dan, i thought the reason Lyme isn't permanently cured with the GB4000 is that it doesn't penetrate deeply enough, like into bones or brain. Is that true? So killing cysts still wouldn't reach the live spirochetes in untouched deep sanctuaries.
But are you using the MOPA? i forget. Does the MOPA penetrate deeply everywhere?
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I do think it takes longer the deeper you get into the body, but the frequencies do clear out infections everywhere, given enough time.
The plasma tube method is likely more effective but I do not have proof of that. It does not rely on the path taken by electricity, and that would eliminate the possibility of the frequencies using the path of least resistance.
The cyst frequency has reduced whatever it was hitting to the point where the only effect now is slightly sore knees after the treatment. In the beginning, it caused a lot of joint pain virtually everywhere.
I am using the GB-4000 with the MOPA. Older version MOPA, that has less power than the new upgraded ones.
Dan.
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I heard second-hand that Julie cured herself of lyme by running 2 MOPAs at once.
I'd like to read about this on Julie's (reported) Facebook lyme group, but i'm not on Facebook.
Would someone who is on Facebook like to report about this cure? Did it stick? is it permanent?
I'm afraid of higher power electricity, and my doubts prevent me from buying a MOPA. I'm thinking of buying a Doug coil.
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Juli still has Lyme, like my wife does, but it is not really a health concern any longer. What little bit is left is easily put down with an occasional treatment. Back to normal.
I will see of she will comment personally, as I don't want to get it wrong.
Dan
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Here was Juli's answer:
Hello Dan,
Your answer is fine! I relapsed from the Bart Quintana. I seem to have that pretty much under control but I did let it go longer than I should have before I realized what was happening.
I don't believe that I was really symptomatic from Lyme but when I tested the frequencies after I discovered the return of Bart Q I did develop a headache the next day along with a relaxation of a neck muscle so, I figured I better get on that one while I was at it.
Considering having 10+ infections I think I've done pretty good but I also know I will need to keep an eye on it and test for them periodically!
If you would like to copy and paste this info over on lymenet I'm okay with that. Not sure I remember my login information.
Thxs Dan, Juli
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Brian Rosner, in his book, The Top Ten Lyme Disease Treatments, infers that Cell-Wall-Deficient bacteria and the CWD form of lyme are not susceptible to Rife treatment.
Does anyone know or have experience that would indicate that CWD forms of bacteria ARE susceptible to Rife frequencies;
And if so, which frequencies have you found useful?
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I think he is wrong. Cyst form is the last barrier to a cure from my experience. One frequency for all forms excluding the cyst form. 2016 Hz.
I am not certain on this yet, but 840.6 Hz seems to take out cyst form. It will take me a couple of years to know with any degree of certainty.
832 Hz for Bart. May need other frequencies for this one. I am not sure on that, but this one should always be used.
That what I am thinking today. If experience tells me different I will have to update.
Dan
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By all forms, I mean all forms of Borellia Burgdorferi other than cyst form. Not all strains.
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Haven't posted in years and hoping this thread is appropriate for my technical quesion. I have an older frequency generator "ultimate b3" which I believe is the ancestor to the gb machine. It worked for a number of years but put it away for the past year or so.
I tried running it today and the "rf indicator" light is not coming on when i run frequencies. The manual says this means it is not generating frequencies. I'm no electrician. Short of sending out for expensive repair that i can no longer afford does anyone have any ideas on what i can do or is this the end?
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Does the light flicker at all? Can you see it in the dark? The RF light itself is kind of unreliable.
I would just run a Lyme frequency and see if you respond to it. An electronic repair place could test it for you.
Dan
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Thanks. Light doesn't flicker and doesn't show in dark. Also not seeing anything on my cheap voltmeter but not sure what i'm doing. I was hoping to sell my machine so even if i respond i need some other proof it works before selling. I'll see if i respond anyway but hate the muscle cramping.
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You do have the machine in RF mode don't you? The light will not come on in audio mode.
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Tried a Doug Coil Machine built by Alex Levy [http://coilmachines.com/] and couldn't handle the herx.
I finally gave up and moved on to other treatment protocols, so far unsuccessfully, though I am now trying HBOT treatments.
I need to sell my Coil Machine. I don't want to do anything that is against the rules here, so can anyone tell me if is it acceptable to offer it here?
Thanks, Michael
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I would keep it and shorten your sessions to make them tolerable. You don't have to kill yourself killing Lyme. Just steadily reduce it.
Dan
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I second what Dan states above - keep the coil and try a very shortened session. My first time through I was herxing at only a minute each of two frequencies. I am know at four minutes but that took almost four months to get there.
I also mention keeping it because rife has been the most positive treatment protocol I have used since stopping antibiotics a year ago and has made good headway.
I would do some research into supplements that can help with the inflammation/herx reaction. My NP has recommended Tumeric but I still need to do some more research on my own
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Thanks folks, but I have already moved on to HBOT and need the money for those treatments.
I had even tried 30 second treatments at one frex and the herx was intolerable for me. I had advice from John Stoler and Alex Levy as well as the amazing amount of info on this massive thread and was unable to manage any improvement due to the debilitating perma-herx.
Any advice on how to sell the device would be appreciated.
Thanks
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You can put it on the Rife Forum. I can post it on the Rifing Lyme Facebook site if you like. I can also put it on the Rife Forum for you.
PM me the details and I will see that it gets done.
It's too bad you couldn't tolerate the treatment. That's a real good device, but also very powerful.
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Dan, I started Rife treatments over a month ago. Where is the best place for me to discuss my Rife treatment with others who are experienced with this?
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I don't know a thing about life, I mean rife (sorry, had to do it) but yesterday I went to my ND with a migraine that had been going on for weeks. Nothing stopped it not even strong drugs from Nuerologist. I said to Doc: "if you do nothing else for me you HAVE to help me get rid of this migraine" He said; " Okay, come here and I'll do this machine. I did and the migraine was gone in 10 minutes.
I have had relentless H/As for years. This is the most remarkable thing I've ever done. It really is an answer to prayer! Ta-Ta! Posts: 143 | From Pittsburgh | Registered: Jan 2014
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Happy to hear this, Mvdr!
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It can definitely help with pain.
So glad you got relief from that migraine, Mvdr! Way to go!!
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Here is the link to the Rifing Lyme Facebook site:
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I know everyone is different in their response, but in the past couple months I have noticed that 800 (sweep of +/- 5; and a pulse) has been helping me, particularly with pain, and especially with lower back pain.
It's interesting because that is one of the main numbers for tuberculosis which is another gram-negative rod-shaped bacillus bacteria.
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If you look at the CAFL cross reference below, you can see the range you are using covers a lot of conditions.
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Does anyone have an BCX Ultra? If so, I'm wondering what my intensity level should be set at?
It came set at 40, but my doctor said maybe I need to increase intensity rather than how often I use it if I want to step up treatment a bit.
I only rife once every other week for lyme and once every other week for bart. and for a bunch of support both weeks.
Any recommendations on intensity level?
Many thanks, Susan
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I prefer running at full power and adjusting the length of the frequency treatment. That way you have eliminated an unneeded variable from your treatment.
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I am very new to Rife. I have a question regarding recognizing of coinfections and other related illnesses by your reaction to Rife treatment.
I am being treated by a LLND, who offers Rife tx. in her office. Due to the distance, I am only able to get about 1 treatment per week. For several weeks, I was getting just Lyme frequencies and those for sinus/ears.
I would seem to feel calmer right after the treatment, but noticed some very old symptoms returning such as sore knee, bug crawling sensations, mild bone pain... but after a day or two I noticed I would have more 'good days' per week (from 1 to 2 or 3). Good days for me mean decrease in head pressure and tinnitus.
To me, this seemed like an indication that the Rife treatment was helping me in some way. However, almost 2 weeks ago, she threw in babesia and parasite frequencies. I noticed that I had some very bad days the following week - worse than usual.
But, I have also been under a tremendous amount of stress with family matters. I also had one IV heavy metal chelation tx. a few days before that Rife treatment.
I eventually had 1 good day following that Rife treatment. Do you think this might be an indication that I have more work to do with babesia and parasites?
I am trying to read as much as I can about Rife in order to make the best decision as to whether I should buy a machine for myself. It seems, from what I have been reading, that if you have a reaction like I did to a particular frequency, that means that you are probably fighting this organism(frequency that caused worse reaction) more than those that don't give you as much of a reaction?
If you keep using these frequencies, will you notice less of a reaction over time, indicating that Rife tx. is killing that organism? How long does this usually take?
My LLND says that what she is looking for as an indication that Rife is helping me is that if I do have a worse day or two after Rife, that I have an INCREASE in quality or quantity of good days following that initial reaction than I typically would have had. Does this make sense to you?
I have all of Bryan Rosner's books and am doing my best to read through to gather more info... But I would like to hear others' reactions to treatment and how they knew or did not know that Rife was helping... Thank you!
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A couple of weeks ago I was trying to find out why I herxed so bad. I ruled out a couple of things - like a skin tag removed on my back.( doesn't sound like it would but it was a big one and hurt after it was removed. I went back to dr. And she said it wasn't infected)
Or was it because I was using my iPad while I rifed. Could have been. No one replied to that.
But looking back at my records I really think it was from taking wobenzyme. It's suppose to be a cyst buster. I was herxing for five days. You are suppose to rife If you feel anything. I didn't until towards the last. But then I got better.
That was a horrible time and it made me feel like I was right back into the beginning of my lyme treatment.
Had any one else had effects from or tried this supplement?
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A couple of weeks ago I was trying to find out why I herxed so bad. I ruled out a couple of things - like a skin tag removed on my back.( doesn't sound like it would but it was a big one and hurt after it was removed. I went back to dr. And she said it wasn't infected)
Or was it because I was using my iPad while I rifed. Could have been. No one replied to that.
But looking back at my records I really think it was from taking wobenzyme. It's suppose to be a cyst buster. I was herxing for five days. You are suppose to rife If you feel anything. I didn't until towards the last. But then I got better.
That was a horrible time and it made me feel like I was right back into the beginning of my lyme treatment.
Had any one else had effects from or tried this supplement?
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From what I have seen, any cyst buster is going to cause a reaction when Lyme is present.
If a frequency hits a Lyme related coinfection, it almost always will make you feel worse for a while. Killing Babesia will make you feel worse for a few weeks at least. It depends how often you treat it. The good news is it can be eliminated over time.
I don't have a lot of experience treating other parasites, so I am not sure what response a person gets treating for them, or how difficult they are to eliminate.
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Ahhhhh. I found you. I may be needing some help. Just got my machine. I know very little. I am told go slow
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This thread will be bedtime reading for me tonight butcan you tell me...there are so many machines. Are the frequencies the same on each machine?
Like on all machines 0.65 is the first lyme one?
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All Rife machines can use the same frequencies.
Two of the best Lyme frequencies I use are 2016 Hz and 840.6 Hz.
Dan
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Dan, what about the two auto channels that are already programmed into the GB4000? (466 and 467) Have you found these helpful?
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I used them briefly years ago when I first got the machine. I am sure they work, or at least many of the frequencies work.
Part of my goal was to simplify treatment. Many frequencies might kill Lyme but you don't necessarily need many to do it. I use 2016 for active Lyme, and 840.6 for cyst form.
That has worked well for my wife. I used to also run 612 Hz but I am not sure that is needed if you use 2016.
Dan
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Dan the two you use...do they help with lyme or coinfections or what lyme does to your body after a long time?
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I went thru the list last night and found over 100 things i have...many dx with testing etc
So...do i start with what bothers me the most? Or the most serious...like cancer or precancer conditions
Or the one that seems to cause the others. Like lyme
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My wife had Lyme, Bart, & Babesia. She has a remnant of Lyme left. Not enough to produce much for symptoms but it is there.
She does not suffer any lingering effects, but I started treating her soon after infection.
Damaged joints are not going to heal 100% but reducing the Lyme will prevent more damage
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Those two frequencies are just for Lyme.
For Bart I use 832 Hz.
Dan
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0k-im confused. i just found brians book and will read it cover to cover. but i scanned hundreds maybe thousands of frequencies in the book that came with my machine and i dont see any over 999
did i buy wrong machine? this is what i bought-recommended byt person with lyme who says it helped her a lot:
if i should not have posted this for some reason tell me and i will delete...i dont want to confuse others...just trying to figure things out
thanks
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springshowers ty so much for may 2 2014 posts above...very helpful to newbie of rife
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- Many rife frequencies (for various things) listed here over 999. For lyme / TBD frequencies, though I would trust the ones listed in our thread here - or with LL authors. The ones here are basic, though.
But posting this mainly as you said you saw none over 999 and rife range certainly go higher than that - but higher is not always better.
There are many posts in this full thread - and a couple full chart sets specific for lyme / TBD so do scroll back over the pages. But if you try to collect all the number first, you may never get started (like myself). Read Rosner. Get some good starting points and then study more in those 12 days off.
CAFL - The Consolidated Annotated Frequency List -
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- Ever rife session should end with 10,000 to calm herx / inflammation.
And 10K can be used daily, whereas lyme rife frequencies should be no more frequent than every 12 days. To do more often can risk kidney damage.
Once someone is well into advanced treatment and closer to remission, time may be adjusted but this is very important to keep in mind in the early days / months with rife.
Other TBD can be more frequent. See Rosner's book for detail. -
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Hello.
I don't know a lot about your machine but some people have not been very happy with it.
A frequency is a frequency and no matter what machine you use, the frequencies are the,same. 2016 should work with your machine if it can run it. It is my understanding that the Rife Digital only runs higher frequencies so you may have to use a,higher harmonic of 2016 Hz.
I believe the frequencies on your machine are listed in kilo hertz. That is why they look funky.
I hope it works for you.
Dan
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Keebler, just curious. Where did you learn that using the lyme frequencies more often than every 12 days can cause kidney problems? My LLND had me coming in weekly for this and told me I could do up to twice a week if I am able to tolerate.
I have been running detox and 10,000 each session. Perhaps this makes it okay to do the lyme frequencies more often? I seem to be doing okay.
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I just reread your post, Keebler. I have Rosner's books and am going to try to reread the part where he advises about this. Guess I missed it.
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