RZR
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I did my first enema today, and only 3 hours later, I feel like I am experiencing a herx. Is this possible? I didn't realize an enema could cause a herx.
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You jarred up a lot of toxins.
No shock here. see how you feel in a few days/week.
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Usually if I felt bad, like the first couple times, or the first time after not doing one for a while, I felt bad immediately rather than after a few hours.
Yes, coffee enemas can stir up toxins. After the first couple, I always felt MUCH better doing them.
But, some people have trouble with them if they have trouble detoxing. I'd start with weak coffee, don't make it any stronger than you did unless you don't feel bad afterward.
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RZR
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Is is ok to do the enemas daily? If so, for how long?
I just now read on curezone.com that coffee enemas should be followed by plain-water enemas. I did not do this. Is this necessary?
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I did not follow them with plain water enemas.
I did them daily for 15 min. I usually did them after a regular bowel movement for two reasons. One, so I didn't rely on them for one. Two, so my bowel was cleared out, which makes it easier to retain.
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I think I need some help and have questions about my coffee enemas. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
I use organic coffee and use the water from my Britta. It is the closest I can get to pure filtered water. I boil the water in an electric tea pot and then once it is boiled, I pour it into my French press which holds 2 cups of coffee.
I only am using 1 tablespoon of coffee at this time. I let it sit in there for 20 minutes and then I pour it into a dish to cool.
Once it is cooled I pour only one cup in my enema kit b/c that is all I can take in. Is this normal? My directions say no more than 2 cups, but I can barely get 1 cup in.
Then I hold it for 15 minutes, release and then do the remaining cup for 15 minutes. My directions say the goal is to do 2 enema's for 15 minutes each.
Sometimes when I am doing the enema, it almost feels like it is emptying into my stomach b/c I can feel it tingling in my abdomen - is this normal?
So my questions are:
Is it OK that I can only get barely 1 cup in at a time? If I put more, I can only hold it for 1 or 2 minutes.
Is it OK that I am doing 2 enema's for 15 minutes each? Should I be feeling the tingling in my abdomen?
Also, I have been trying to do them every day, and I stupidly told me mother this. She of course freaked out and told me I was depleting myself of electrolytes and it was not safe.
I know that she is wrong, plus I would not take advice from her about my health b/c she has lyme & co-infections and does not want to treat. So I just need some reassurance that it is OK every day.
It really helps me deal with the herxs.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I did not follow them with plain water enemas.
I did them daily for 15 min. I usually did them after a regular bowel movement for two reasons. One, so I didn't rely on them for one. Two, so my bowel was cleared out, which makes it easier to retain.
How do you retain them?
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RZR
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Whoa!!! The coffee enema really did a number on me! I barely slept at all last night. I ached from head to toe..the worse herx I have experienced in months.
I planned on doing the enemas daily for a couple of weeks but, now, don't know if I should do another one. Should I wait until the herx is over?
Is the herx from dead spirochetes or abx in my system or what? I don't think my system detoxes very well at all.
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Jennie, I would wait until you're feeling better. Most people do okay with them, but I've met a couple who have not been able to do them due to detox issues.
Asummers, is the coffee warm but not hot? If it's completely room temperature it can be uncomfortable. My abdominal area makes all kinds of noises when I'm doing one. I can do three cups at a time (I thought it was a full quart, but apparently my french press is smaller than I thought). It's okay to do half then the other half. I took minerals when I was doing them - magnesium, also used some sea salt in water (Himalayan or real salt for full minerals).
JR, not sure what you mean.
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Six -- the coffee is actually colder than room temp. I have it sitting out for a while. Could that be the problem, should I do it at a warmer temp?
I really want to get this right, but I just have this nagging feeling that I am not doing it right.
I think it is weird that I can barely take one cup at a time. Oh well...
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It's more comfortable at a warmer temperature. Anytime I've cooled the coffee too much, I have found it to be very uncomfortable!
Warm like a baby's bottle, not hot!
It sounds like you're doing it right. If you're getting it in there and holding it, there's not much you could be doing wrong!! LOL!!
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Everyones capacity is different, i think from your other topic feeling a tingling close to your stomach is an excellent sign of good circulation from using the coffee enema. So don't feel bad about the amount feel good about the circulation of the coffee through your system.
make sure you are drinking plenty of electrolyte fluids when doing this. There is the possibility of becoming dehydrated. A good mix might be some potassium bicarbonate, with sodium bicarbonate and supplement with magnesium. I've discovered coconut water is a great drink while doing this. Forget the calcium portion of electrolyte solution, most of us are getting toooooo much calcium from vegetable sources due to diet changes. If you feel calcium is an issue read up on vitamin k2. It will help with how calcium isn't being used correctly by the body.
If you herx really badly definitely slow down. Be patient and persistent toward getting well.
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Just had a thought six, many people may have more difficulty due to a lack of electrolytes in their bodies.
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RZR
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: Just had a thought six, many people may have more difficulty due to a lack of electrolytes in their bodies.
Can you please suggest some electrolyte drink mixes...exact ingredients and amount. Is there electrolyte drinks I can buy already mixed?
I didn't drink anything to replace electrolytes yesterday.
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This is a recipe from the thriiive site on autism. The drink recipe applies to lymies as well when they get dehydrated. The problem with many of the medications and supplements we're on is they are many times diuretics and drain us of fluids. Ensuring correct fluid levels is extremely important.
Guess what tells you if you are dehydrated, a white tongue. The same white tongue folks believe is caused by yeast. Both can be true!
quote:Dehydration - electrolyte drink Glucose (honey (2 tlbs), grape juice or young coconut water) Coconut may be the best choice due to the added nutrients Salt (potassium chloride) (Now Foods makes a potassium chloride) 1/4 tsp Bicarbonate (baking soda) (Klaire labs also makes a bicarbonate) 1/4 tsp (hydrates cells, upregulates detoxification)
The coffee enemas may not specifically cause dehydration in many of us. But dehydration is a general problem with the many treatments and coffee enemas may add to it. Hydration issues are even more so for water irrigation or colonic after the coffee enema for those doing this extra step.
So to be safe hydration should be on your radar anyways. A better understanding of this principle can go a long way in helping you resolve symptoms.
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At this point, I don't think I will ever do another coffee enema. I still feel horrible.
I am now conviced that I am a slow detoxer. Is there anything I can do to help my body detox better? There are times when I think that cleaning up the toxins could be the only problem I have left. I just don't know. The intense body burning is killing me. Today is one of those days I just want to give up.
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You might take a look at the KPU threads and Google KPU. Dr. K believes that many of us detox poorly due to this issue. I know it helped me a lot.
Interesting concept, Bob. Both people I know had specific detox issues .... the dreaded genotype maybe?
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Six -- Thanks for the recommendation to do the enema warm. I just did one, and I think it made a difference. Posts: 379 | From Sydney, Australia | Registered: Nov 2008
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How do you retain an enema- what goes in must come out-how do you keep it from coming out? Stick a cork in it, stand on your head or just squeeze the butt cheeks?
AND since you have to use caffeinated coffee, is it the caffeine? could you use coca cola-lukewarm without the fizz of course- unless the fizz would help.
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Sorry I'm a little confused here- first I read:
The caffeine that is absorbed into the entero-hepatic system
causes the liver ducts, including the bile ducts, to empty into the
sigmoid colon and be eliminated.
and then I read:
The coffee enema
is safe even for people who are sensitive to caffeine because the
coffee remains in the sigmoid colon, where it will not be absorbed.
What's the point of a coffee enema if it stays in the sigmoid colon where it will not be absorbed??? The walls of the sigmoid colon are muscular, and contract to increase the pressure inside the colon, causing the stool to move into the rectum.
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What's the point of a coffee enema if it stays in the sigmoid colon where it will not be absorbed???
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in the sigmoid colon is a portal vein that is directly linked to the liver. the coffee travels through the portal vein into the liver. that's how it gets absorbed.
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