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I agree with using food based vitamins 100%. It just makes sense. My B Complex is actually made of some sort of fermented food...it doesn't even upset my tummy when taken on an empty stomach.
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Someone posted a link here a while back with a video of a doctor showing how iron in cereal is just shaved iron. He put some cereal in a blender with water to break it up. Then he used a magnet to draw the iron slivers into one place. It was shocking. He also said some B vitamins come from coal tar! I sent it to my son who argued that synthetic was just as good as natural.
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If you take a whole food multivitamin more often than not your stomach will tolerate it. try doing that with a Centrum or something, your whole body rejects it and you throw it up.
I used to take regular multivitamins before I knew all of this stuff and I made the mistake of taking it on an empty stomach twice, my whole stomach filled with acid and I threw up-awful!
I never get stomach trouble from my food based or natural source vitamins.
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Of course the counter argument is that, for some who really need higher vitamins, you can't take in enough only through real food, or can you?
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There are vitamins and multiviatmins that are made from whole foods-thats what I take. It gives you the higher doses without the synthetics.
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quote:Originally posted by elley0531: There are vitamins and multiviatmins that are made from whole foods-thats what I take. It gives you the higher doses without the synthetics.
Where can you get these Elley?
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I get mine at the Vitamin Shoppe. You can order them online through there as well. I use New Chapter brand, B Complex and Multivitamins, also their Whole Mega fish oil.
They are pricier than other vitamins, but my body responds well to them so its worth it.
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IME high doses are not needed.
Up to 100 mg of C is fine, thousands of mg of ascorbic acid are generally not. Ascorbic acid makes uo only about 15% of real C. It acts like a suitcase with all the other naturally occurrimg cofactors inside that "suitcase."
I got tested at a large seminar and the well known doc found I needed a "high dose" of Vit E - 8 or 10 IU. With synthetic fractions of E, like a tocopherol, 400 to 800 IU are commonly used.
That is using high dose fractions just like drugs. Might change the symptoms but cannot heal !
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I hate to break it to those who like whole food vitamins, but New Chapter's 'whole food' multi, as well as the VS ones (same exact thing, by the way), aren't really all-natural food-based vitamins.
The problem with most true food-based multi-vitamins is that they would requires tons of pills to get decent nutrient levels, so they aren't so cost effective.
The whole food multivitamins you typically find are actually brewer's yeast that has been fed vitamins, and yes, they are also fed synthetic vitamins too. I forget the exact forms of everything, but I believe the minerals are mostly oxides, except for selenium. E is from red palm, and the Bs are synthetic.
When brewer's yeast 'eats up' the vitamins, they then dry the yeast and turn it into a supplement, so they technically can call it a food-based vitamin. But in reality, it's sort of the same as feeding a one-a-day to yeast, then eating the yeast. It's possible some of the vitamin forms will absorb better due to this process, but it isn't the same as getting vitamins from food.
I'm also not keen on New Chapter's wholemega salmon oil either, since it's not processed or molecularly distilled. PCBs are an issue with some salmon oils. Costco's salmon oil is the same exact oil too, just with less 'extras'.
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Thanks for the info. I went to the New Chapter site for info, and of course yhe site is designed to promote sales.
LL you said "The problem with most true food-based multi-vitamins is that they would requires tons of pills to get decent nutrient levels, so they aren't so cost effective."
What would you define as decent nutrient values ? Say for C or E ?
My experience with whole food supps is primarily with Standard Process using them for me, my family and hundreds of patients.
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Well, for C you certainly can get a supplement made from food, such as amla, acerola, camu, etc. Madre labs makes a product such as that, as does Now Foods.
However, they are extracts, so I can't say with certainty they are exactly the same as getting C from real food. Ideally, just eat more veggies and fruit to get vitamin C, although a little extra from a supplement could possibly help for us sickly types.
And most E supplements are soy derived, to the best of my knowledge.. Something like Unique E may be one of the better E supplements (includes gamma too). I think Jarrow makes a decent E product too, under the name Famil-E.
For myself, I don't really consider the data strong enough to take large doses of either. Studies at best have mixed results, or in some cases for E, negative results.
200-500mg of C should be plenty for most people, if they choose to take it (not including those using C/Salt for Lyme, but that's a different matter). If you believe the Pauling stuff, then megadoses of C are in order, but the only data currently backing megadoses are gorilla studies.
And as for the New Chapter multi, if Elley likes that multi and it is more stomach friendly for him/her, there isn't necessarily anything wrong with it (although folic acid is higher than I like). Just saying it's not the same as real food.
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Didn't realize that Pauling was a gorilla
Pretty laughable that he claims to havev found what God just forgot. God must have been having a bad day
AA was the first part of C discovered, it was not the entire thing with all the naturally occurring parts. The AA does have actions + uses but not for rebuilding parts + healing.
But well, "everybody" knows that AA is C, so it absolutely must be true. A sad state.
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