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I've been on the candida diet for three weeks (and yes, doing well on it). I'm not taking antibiotics. I take lots of good refrigerated probiotics (the VSL 3 kind). I eat the "right" kind of yogurt. I drink white tea religiously (yum! ). I take anti-fungal herbs three times a day. I've also taken diflucan. And I use the right sweeteners (stevia, and also Xylitol from birchwood which is proven to help kill candida).
Now, my digestive health is much better, either from stopping the antibiotics or taking the right probiotics or eating better food or the candida being more in balance, I have no idea... But my tongue still has a white fuzz on it in the mornings. I've never gotten full thrush where you have thick white patches and sores and things like that... I started this anti-candida regimen before it got that bad.
I don't physically feeling better or worse on this diet, nor is my tongue any less or more fuzzy when I began than it is now. (It gets worse when I'm on antibiotics, but that's why I had to stop them!) After three weeks I did expect to see SOME kind of change... I can't find this information anywhere: As far as your candida diet, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S WORKING?!
Thoughts? Help?
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I know because my gut won't be bloated and my tongue won't be white.
Just keep at it.
I use freeze dried garlic, pro biotics, nystatin tabs and liquid, coconut oil with meals, and clean diet.
I went 3 months with NO yeast... although I've run into problems now (after cheating on my diet and pro biotics one weekend) grrrrrr
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I'm with you sister, same deal....it's like I wrote this post Except don't do the herbs. Anyway, I hope someone comes along with some answers,
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I do wonder if this is doing any good or not. sigh... I can't start my antibiotics again until I know this is under control, but I'm so confused as to when I'll know if it's under control because I still have white tongue.
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which is better nystatin tablets or dilfucan...i have both, and i do the spit test...even thou the spit test aint all that good to determine if you still have candidia...
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Right, street, the spit test is not an accurate way to determine how bad your yeast is, since a lot of perfectly healthy people can "fail" it...
I've heard worse things from Diflucan, though, but i'm not sure if Nystatin is any better.
I ordered some oil of oregano so I hope this will help. I guess no one else has any idea how to tell if it's working either, haha
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While oregano oil did help to a degree, and I herxed SEVERELY on it when I first took it, it didn't cure anything, and basicaly just kept me at a stage of mild improvement. Unfortunately this mild improvement is not worth the other things it did to me (making me more anemic; they're not joking when they say it can interfere with iron absorption) so I've since stopped it and I'm feeling better.
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I think a little white on the tongue is normal. That's what my dentist said. Doesn't mean it is yeast.
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quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth S.: Update:
While oregano oil did help to a degree, and I herxed SEVERELY on it when I first took it, it didn't cure anything, and basicaly just kept me at a stage of mild improvement. Unfortunately this mild improvement is not worth the other things it did to me (making me more anemic; they're not joking when they say it can interfere with iron absorption) so I've since stopped it and I'm feeling better.
Are you saying oregano oil can cause anemia?
I was just about to order some...currently taking Diflucan, but need something when I finish that.
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quote:Originally posted by BackinStOlaf: I think a little white on the tongue is normal. That's what my dentist said. Doesn't mean it is yeast.
"A little" being the key phrase, and preferably not having any increase after six months of antibiotic therapy, or returning throughout the day and flaring up dramatically if you eat the wrong things.
Just stating for factual purposes.
(By the way, your user name made me giggle! )
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quote:Originally posted by jennie46: Are you saying oregano oil can cause anemia?
I was just about to order some...currently taking Diflucan, but need something when I finish that.
No, oregano cannot CAUSE anemia, but I'm mildly anemic due to a host of other reasons (bartonella, for example, is known for causeing anemia) and the added effect of oregano oil potentially lowering your iron absorption at high levels did not help.
I routinely go for bloodwork no matter what therapy I'm on, antibiotic or herbal, so you can keep track of it that way, and take iron supplements (away from the oregano) if you have an issue with it. It just wasn't worth it to me to continue taking it (have one problem, take another pill, then take another pill for what that one does to you, then another pill for what that one does to you...no, thank you, i'll just try something like coconut oil instead, lol!)
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Hmm... I'm not sure who or what you're replying to, coldfeet. I just stated that i routinely get bloodwork so I assume it isn't me...? Posts: 161 | From Southern United States | Registered: Sep 2009
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The symptom has to go (white tongue). You can brush it regularly too to help see if it builds up again.
If you take sweets, and then get a flare, you'll know you still have it!
When you don't have candida, eating sweets don't make any special trouble (GI, or other symptom). It's though not good for borrelia, so if you do that, only do that ONE DAY and that's it.
Stools can't smell bad, no constipation nor diarrhea, no air either (or if there's, no bad smell). If you take candida killers and react strong, it could be either some bad reaction to the killer itself, or it could be herxheimer.
One thing that I swear helps in too many ways to describe is Rechtsregulat. I take it in a dilution D1, but you can take it undiluted. I use Rechts for any condition. It is like taking a good vinegar, so no need to worry about bad side effects (it is like food).
If I were you, I would add some homeopathic candida killer to your treatment, because they have no side effects (except for herxes). For example, Exmykehl from Sanum. If you are able to tolerate these without any bad GI reaction, you might be in good ways with candida (low amount).
Then you could add the anti candida products from SAnum. They are all designed to attack specific strains of candida that are common: albicans, parapsilosis, mucor racemosus and mucor mucedo. Without side effects. So if you react to these, it means you still have them because it is probably herxheimer.
if not, you can still move further to clear haptens with the SAnukehls, also designed to clear candida infections or symptoms thoroughly. I swear by these products. At least for me, they worked so well that I took NO HERB AT ALL for candida after being on them.
I know my battle with candida took me years, like Lymetooto. It's not an easy thing.
According to dr. K., you'll put heavy metals like mercury out in the circulation when you kill candida. If you don't take anything to grab those metals, they recirculate. No way to get rid of candida like that. Chlorella can help that immensely. You can even get a flare of candida instead.
Specially if you are killing other pathogens too. It happened to me too many times to describe here. I suspect that killing pathogens makes us so toxic and acidic that candida will thrive. And if the theory of dr. K. is right, the killing with make heavy metals re-circulate, and that is candida feast!
But my opinion is that only something that addresses heavy metals will do the job more permanently. At least, that was for me the case. I'm not sure I'm done with that either, but at the moment, enjoying the normal diet for the last 4-5 months.
I guess AI would be a good start? Then adding slowly some KPU supplements?
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What an extensive post, Brussels! Thank you for taking the time and energy to respond like that.
I shall research this.. Rechtsregulat?.. and see what it's about. You mentioned it's like taking a good vinegar? I drink apple cider vinegar daily and use it in my cooking--it helps to a minor degree, just like everything else. You would think all these minor improvements would add up to a solution, but no...
Maybe I'm just wanting things to move too quickly? If it took six months to get me to this place, and I know my immune system is horrible, maybe I'm just being impatient. But this is an old post of mine; my new one is here:
But I'm still having the same problems. Mild improvements, no real "cure."
I think there are three levels of treatments for anything. Medicinal, herbal, and then homeopathic... But I'll only do homeopathic when I know what's in it. Like those zinc-intense supplements that they sell for when you get a cold. I have too many other health issues to take into consideration, to just blindly take something and see if it helps. I appreciate the recommendations, however. Anything potent enough to work, is going to be potent enoguh to interact, possibly in a negative manner.
It'd be a lot easier to judge what was going on if I actually got symptoms from this fungus. But I don't. When my tongue flares, that's all that flares: If I weren't checking it, I wouldn't know things were "worse" because I don't get anything else happening, like people who have more serious infections, or heaven forbid systemic infections... I'm just very unnerved, teetering on the edge like this.
I do want to report, though (I say this in my new, updated post--link above), that the Burrascano Guideline's suggestion for brushing your mouth (and disinfecting) is still helping me improve the oral candida, as far as that goes. Perhaps if I keep going with that, less yeast will travel to my GI tract, and things will gradually get back to normal? I can only hope it'll lend significant results in the end.
I'm still on the candida diet, and only taking oregano oil--away from food as to not interfere with iron--once a day. (I take it with aloe vera gel, so no stomach irritation...ironically inner aloe vera gel is helpful for candida, too.) It was definitely doing something to me because I have a lot more energy being off of it. With treatments you're supposed to experience a rough beginning but gradual improvement... Well, with the way I was taking it I experienced a rough beginning, a small improvement, and then a gradual worsening... I do miss the fact that it helped my digestion, so we shall see if maybe just once a day is all I can handle.
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quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth S.: After three weeks I did expect to see SOME kind of change... I can't find this information anywhere: As far as your candida diet, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S WORKING?
Hi, Elizabeth. I'd guess most Americans would need about 6 months or more to really experience change if just starting a Candida contol diet.
Ideas on how to tell when you've got candida under control:
1) NO food cravings. You can walk down candy isles, thru bakeries, smell fresh treats cooking, but not be pulled to them. Sugar has no power over you; you barely notice treats anymore. At parties, you hang out by the quinoa salad, fish, and veggie trays. You always gracefully decline cake & ice cream, then reach for seconds on a veggie side.
2) High-glycemic index foods don't "call to you" anymore. No yearnings for bread in a restaurant, etc. Your healthy body just doesn't need it.
3) You feel more energized and vital, not drained.
4) Less body odor and clearer skin.
5) Carrots are your sugar cubes. Raisins seem WAY too sweet.
6) Healthy weight or some weight loss if you'd been overweight.
Focus your diet on high-quality protein (skinless poultry, eggs if not allergic), high fiber, low sugar and very little simple carbs. Eat lots of brightly colored veggies. Have very little fruit and no fruit juice (too much sugar.)
Vinegar is generally off the list for Candida control. Use lemon or lime on salads or in drinking water.
Drink more water, then pour yourself another glass of water.
NO peanuts.
You may consider cutting out dairy completely for two weeks, then slowly adding back just a bit of organic low-fat yogurt, organic low-fat cottage cheese, and/or organic mozzarella. See if you may be allergic to corn or soy or eggs. Usually, whatever you eat the most of every week, you may be abusing to the point of an addictive allergy.
Keep at it. A gluten-free diet is a healthy, permanent lifestyle change.
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quote:Originally posted by Remember to Smile: You always gracefully decline cake & ice cream, then reach for seconds on a veggie side.
I did just recently have a friend who gave me this huge, huge piece of chocolate cake because she didn't know about the diet yet.
I froze it.
Just because I can't have it now doesn't mean I don't want to eat it when I'm able!
I agree with everything you typed. All of your tips would suggest I had this thing beat... But for now I just have to consider it as I'm on my way to having it beat because there is still an imbalance. Thank you for such a thoughtful reply. Posts: 161 | From Southern United States | Registered: Sep 2009
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Anything potent enough to work, is going to be potent enoguh to interact, possibly in a negative manner. 
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