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I just started it last week from a tincture I made myself. I am up to 30 drops and will keep building.
I have a lot of bart going on as I am hammering it with 1200 mg single dose of rifampin daily with mino. I am sure the Ginseng will be helpful.
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NMN,
I'm about to make a tincture too.
Did you use the 1:5 60% Alcohol ratio that Buhner recommends?
How much is 30 drops? 1/2 teaspoon?
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- As the powdered extract is very good, it's best to not use this one as a tincture. There are others that come only as tinctures and given that even the amount of alcohol in tinctures can be too much, it's really best to reserve tinctures only for those that are not equally good as a powdered (capsule) extract. -
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Keebler,
Buhner actually recommends tincture over capsules for Eleuthero
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- Oh. Thanks for mentioning that. Good to know. I've found good help with the capsule extracts but will check out what he has to say about it, then. He's usually very good as telling us why he has a preference. -
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485 mg capsules: Nature's Way* *Although recommended by Buhner for Siberian ginseng in Healing Lyme, page 137: ``I suggest Nature's Way, which contains 250mg of standardized extract and 200mg of the whole herb,'' when asked, Buhner said ``I only put this in the book for people who do not want to use tincture. However, I strongly suggest the tincture and would not generally recommend the encapsulated herb.``Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009
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I actually used the powdered herb 1:2 40% alc vodka.
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Bump.
This is a strong, powerful, helpful herb people
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- NMN, If you have the powdered herb, there is no point of making it a tincture. The powdered herb will work fine. Vodka is not necessary to add to it.
If the powder is an extract, that is stronger than just raw herbs and a powdered extract comes close to a plant tincture. Tinctures need to be made directly from the plant material, usually before it gets dried out.
I still think it's best to avoid the alcohol if a powdered extract is available. Our livers have enough to deal with.
Canefan, as for this being a strong, powerful herb, I know you know this and words can mean different things to different people. It's just good for everyone to know that this is not intended to be a blast of power. In our culture, so many are looking for the blast off easy answer. That's not the best way to use adaptogens. More detail about all this:
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ADRENAL LINKS: -----------------
This book is specific to lyme and other chronic stealth infections. The author discusses the endocrine connection and effects of STRESS on a person with such infections. You can read customer reviews and look inside the book at this link to its page at Amazon.
The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, And Heart Disease (Paperback) - 2005
by Russell Farris and Per Marin, MD, PhD
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Remember that lyme really messes up the HPA axis (Hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal network). The pituitary has much to do with weight/growth. Mess up any part of the endocrine system and other parts suffer, too.
Curcumin Prevents Some Stress-Related Changes (By CP Staff)
Excerpts:
A recently published study investigated the effects of curcumin, a constituent of the botanical turmeric, on changes in cognition and memory caused by stress. . . .
. . . In this new study, researchers investigated the effect of curcumin supplementation on stress-induced learning defects in mice. . . .
. . . In addition, curcumin reversed the stress-induced increase in the levels of serum corticosterone, the primary hormone secreted during the stress response. . . .
. . . The researchers concluded, ``Thus, curcumin may be an effective therapeutic for learning and memory disturbances as was seen within these stress models, and
its neuroprotective effect was mediated in part by normalizing the corticosterone response, resulting in down-regulating of the phosphorylated calcium/calmodulin kinase II and glutamate receptor levels.''
The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, And Heart Disease (Paperback) - 2005
by Russell Farris (Author), Per Marin (Author)
Much about stress reactions here. - you can read customer reviews at the link. Attention is given to lyme and other chronic stealth infections however, it does not go into details about solutions.
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This is not a lyme book.
This book has only one reference to lyme (in the historical use of sarsarparilla for another spirochetal infection). However, it is a vital first book to read - or a reference - for anyone interested in understanding nutritional methods.
Search for Ashwagandha; Cordyceps; Siberian Ginseng in this book:
Graciously, much of this book is on line. It can also be purchased from this site or through Amazon where you can look inside the book and see many customer reviews.
Herbs come in many different forms. The most common are crude herbs, powders, dried decoctions, tinctures, capsules, gelcaps, salves, oils and teas.
* CRUDE HERBS are simply collected and dried, then cut and sifted. This is the original way herbs have been prepared since the dawn of time.
This form is commonly found in traditional herb shops around the world, and in ethnic neighborhoods in major cities in the United States.
The advantage of this form is that you can actually see, taste and smell the herbs. Crude herbs are usually taken home and cooked into teas.
* POWDERS are simply ground crude herbs. You can use powders to make herbal tea, or simply ingest them in their natural form. I like powders because they allow you to experience the taste and smell of the herbs you are using.
Another benefit of this form is that you can often take larger doses of the herbs. However, powdered herbs do not last as long in storage as the other forms.
* TEAS are aqueous extractions of crude herbs or herbal powders. Most herbs today come in pills or tinctures, so to make sure we do not forget our herbal roots, I always make sure to keep some loose herb teas in the house.
There are several methods of preparation for herbal tea. Infusion, better for delicate leaves and flowers, entails bringing water to a light boil, turning off the heat, and letting the herbs steep in the water.
Leaving the crude herbs out in the sun for a couple of hours in a tightly sealed container makes Sun tea. Simmering the herbs for anywhere from ten minutes up to an hour (longer is better for the much heavier barks and roots) makes a decoction.
* TINCTURES are extracts made by soaking herbs in solutions designed to draw out their virtues. Alcohol is the most common soaking solution for tinctures. Tincture manufacturers must have recipe books to guide them, as the exact method will differ for each herb.
Tinctures are valuable because they are easy to digest and absorb. Some herbs can only be used in this form. The strength of a tincture should be listed on the bottle in the form of a ratio, such as 1:5 or 1:2.
The first number tells you how much of the herb is present, and the second number tells you how much menstruum (the liquid used to dissolve the herb) is in the preparation. Therefore, a 1:5 tincture is weaker than a 1:2 tincture, because a larger volume of liquid is used.
* DRIED DECOCTIONS, also called CONCENTRATED GRANULES, are used primarily by Chinese (TCM) herbalists. This method of preparing herbs was devised several decades ago in Taiwan by a group of chemists and traditional doctors.
Basically, the herbs are cooked as teas in large vats and the solid residues are removed, after which the remaining liquids are dried out until only powders remain. Sometimes certain important components (such as volatile oils) are collected separately by specialized equipment and then added back to the final product.
These powders are usually about four times more potent than the crude herbs. The label may list a ratio of 4:1, but concentration can be as low as 2:1 or even as high as 10:1.
Dried decoctions still retain the herbs' basic tastes and smells, and the concentrations of chemicals discourage bacterial growth so they tend to store well. I use these granules frequently in my practice.
* CONCENTRATED HERBAL EXTRACTS are now made using various methods. These extracts, in liquid or solid form, can be anywhere from two to 100 times more concentrated in certain components than crude herbs.
* CAPSULES are simply powdered herbs, dried decoctions or concentrated herbal extracts that have been put into gelatin capsules.
* TABLETS are simply powdered herbs, dried decoctions or concentrated herbal extracts with a binding substance added. They are then are pressed into tablets by a machine
* GELCAPS are sealed gelatin capsules that hold either tinctures or concentrated liquid herbal extracts. -
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It is quite strong. I make the powdered herb into a tincture from opening as it preserves the herb better and I find it easier to take. I already have to make 2000 pills a month for the buhner protocol otherwise I would use the whole herb. Now that I have a baby daughter I do not have time to encapsulate much.
I am using 10ml twice a day at the moment.
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Does introducing eleuthero ever make one MORE fatigued rather than less? Wondering if I've started with too much too soon?
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