Topic: Had some amalgams removed yesterday, feeling awful today
BackinStOlaf
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I have 16 amalgams. Removed 3 yesterday. She used all the proper precautions, I am on Vit C and chlorella.
Today I woke up feeling like my head is very heavy. I am also feeling fatigued even though I slept well.
Not sure what else to do to feel better. I can't do a thorough Mercury chelation yet because I still have so many fillings in my mouth.
Am I going to feel like utter crap until I can get all of them out and start on chelation??
Can't live like this on top of the Lyme treatment.
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TerryK
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I had to have 2 removed at one time or risk a root canal and I had symptoms for several weeks because of the removal despite the fact that I saw a biological dentist and we used all the precautions including oxygen and dams. My LLMD likes me to have one at a time removed because even if you see a biological dentist, you still have some exposure.
I can't take chlorella. I was on 1/2 teaspoon lipophos EDTA, microsilica and charcoal or clay everyday and I still have amalgams. You need to be sure to take a good mineral supplement in order for your body to be able to remove heavy metals.
Are you working with someone who knows what they are doing with heavy metals?
Just holding your mouth open for so long can cause problems. My bite has been off since I had the work done.
I hope your symptoms resolve quickly.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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Congratulations!. Keep yourself hydrated and keep everything moving through. It is very common for your head to feel heavy after what you went through.
Let your biological dentist know how you did and let them decide if you should proceed or wait till symptoms clear.
Keep us posted on how you feel.
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I have a hard time understanding why a person would be symptomatic after safe amalgam removal procedures. If the chlorella, charcoal, and vitamin C were taken, that's supposed to pass anything that got by the dam through the gut without incident.
And with the triangular nose hood, the Dent-Air vaccuum/filter, and the room ionization filter, I can't imagine that a patient would inhale any toxic fumes. --Perhaps the dentist is not using ALL of these items?
I know there's a dentist near me that advertises all over the place that he's a holistic dentist and uses safe amalgam removal procedures. Then when I called, I found out that he doesn't use a Dent-Air vac OR an ionizer.
Perhaps all patients who want to have amalgams safely removed should make sure that their practitioner is using ALL of the following:
1. Rubber Dam 2. Rubber Gloves for Practitioner and Assistant 3. Positive Pressure Oxygen Respiration Device or Oxygen Supply with Triangular Nose Hood 4. High Volume Evacuation System (exhaust of which is either filtered or discharged externally) with clean up tip. 5. Standard Evacuation System (Saliva Ejector) 6. Patient Facial Skin Covering to Provide Barrier from Particulate Debris 7. Respirators for the Staff 8. Utilization of Burr Rather Than Diamond Tip for Cutting and Chunking 9. Full Water Spray and Supplemental Water Spray for Cooling and Prevention of Vapors 10. Breathing Space Vacuum Evacuation System (such as Dent-Air Vac) 11. Room Filtration/Ionization System
Other information on safe amalgam removal procedures can be found here: www.iaomt.org/articles/files/files288/Safe Removal of Amalgam Fillings.pdf (copy and paste entire link into browser) and a demonstration video can be found HERE.
I once came across a dentist who claimed to utilize safe amalgam removal procedures and all he used were a rubber dam and the high-volume evacuation system. That's it! I would expect someone to get sick from this.
I guess the key question here is what did your dentist use? Did he/she leave anything out that was on the above list?
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TerryK
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Neither biological dentists that I have seen seemed to think it was a problem to remove anywhere from 2 to all of my amalgams at one time. My LLMD said absolutely NOT when the first one I saw wanted me to get them all out in a one week period.
Personally, I think it's better to follow direction from someone who knows all the issues with you especially with lyme. I'd check in with my LLMD and/or whoever is directing your heavy metal detox.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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sixgoofykids
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I was very symptomatic after removal and my dentist took all the precautions! There will still be some mercury disrupted.
I found glutathione to be helpful. Also took Vitamin C and I can't remember what else as it was about 20 years ago I had mine done.
You might try coffee enemas and drink whey protein. That makes your body produce more glutathione.
Take chlorella.
Yes, you don't want to chelate, but you can try to bind what's already loosened.
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1. Rubber Dam THESE ARE NOT RUBBER, SHOULD BE USING LATEX FREE DAMS, ALL GP DENTISTS USE THESE.
2. Rubber Gloves for Practitioner and Assistant THEY DO NOT USE RUBBER GLOVES. USUALLY NITRILE AS THEY ARE LATEX FREE. IT'S A LAW THAT ANY DENTIST AND PERSONAL WEAR GLOVES. NOT JUST THE HOLISTIC ONES.
3. Positive Pressure Oxygen Respiration Device or Oxygen Supply with Triangular Nose Hood ALL DENTAL OFFICES HAVE OXYGEN DEVICES WITH TRIANGLULAR NOSE PIECES.
4. High Volume Evacuation System (exhaust of which is either filtered or discharged externally) with clean up tip. ALL OFFICES HAVE A STANDARE EVAC SYSTEM, ALL ARE FILTERED NO MATTER WHAT. 5. Standard Evacuation System (Saliva Ejector)ALL HAVE THE SALIVA EJECTORS,STANDARD IN ALL OFFICES. 6. Patient Facial Skin Covering to Provide Barrier from Particulate Debris OPTIONAL.
7. Respirators for the Staff ??? NOT REALLY?
8. Utilization of Burr Rather Than Diamond Tip for Cutting and Chunking IT'S CALLED CARBIDE BURS WHICH ARE USED FOR DRILLING... DIAMONDS HAVE OTHER USES IN THE OFFICE AND ARE NOT USED IN TAKING ALLOY OUT BY ALL DENTISTS.
9. Full Water Spray and Supplemental Water Spray for Cooling and Prevention of Vapors ALL DENTISTS USE WATER SPRAY. CAN'T DRILL WITHOUT THE WATER SPRAY. ALL ASSISTANTS HAVE IT IN THEIR HANDS AT ALL TIMES. 10. Breathing Space Vacuum Evacuation System (such as Dent-Air Vac) NEVER HEARD OF IT.
11. Room Filtration/Ionization System MOST NEW OFFICES ARE IMPLIMENTED WITH FILTRATION.
Wanted to let you all know these things are normal in any dental office, not just holistic. I've been in Dentistry for over 23 yrs.
What is 'sold' as Holistic is taking your money more than the normal dentist doing the same things.
Throw the towel at me now.. I'm ready. Just want you all to see that it's all in the advertising that Holistic is doing. Most of this is normal for dental settings.
Love you all...
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TerryK
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hadlyme wrote: What is 'sold' as Holistic is taking your money more than the normal dentist doing the same things.
You are incorrect. There are techniques and equipment that are not used in a regular dentists office that can make a difference, especially for those of us who have difficulty detoxing heavy metals or who have lyme disease and don't need another toxic load to deal with.
If one does not think it's important to minimize exposure to amalgams while removing them, then not only will they not know these techniques or use them but they will not have the additional tools needed to accomplish the job as safely as possible.
Here is a document from IAOMT (International Acadamy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology) about some of these techniques and tools: http://tinyurl.com/lc348t
quote: 10. Breathing Space Vacuum Evacuation System (such as Dent-Air Vac) NEVER HEARD OF IT.
Exactly. Spoken like a true amalgam unsafe practitioner. Never heard of it? Let me enlighten you. It's one of the most important components of any safe amalgam removal arsenal. It's the thing that sucks up nearly all of the mercury vapors as they exit the mouth and runs it through a filtration system. I won't even walk into a dentist's office that doesn't use these things for amalgam removal. Without it, everyone within 100 feet of the dentist's chair is breathing in mercury. The room ionization filter is secondary, only to eliminate anything that might have escaped the breathing space vac. And even those room filters have to be able to trap mercury vapors. Not just any filter will do.
What's also important that was not listed in my earlier post was TECHNIQUE. Even with all the right equipment, the dentist can put the patient at greater risk of exposure by not using the proper techniques.
As in many professions, the difference between a great dentist and a poor dentist is in the finer details.
If a dentist has been certified by the IAOMT for safe amalgam removal, then they have undergone training on these techniques and have practiced under the guidance of a mentor. I don't care how long a dentist has been practicing, if they haven't been through this training, then they shouldn't be entrusted with your care in removing amalgam fillings. There's nothing worse than any kind of professional who thinks he/she is beyond continuous learning. Those are the ones that should be avoided at all costs. A dentist who is averse to continually updating his/her skills is probably the one who has allowed their skills to atrophy over the years. Don't forget, we are sharper and better coordinated when we are younger. I don't fall for this "I've got all these years of experience" bit. That can be a double-edged sword. You have to take a close look at the individual. I had to "audition" 5 dentists, all of whom said they were safe-amalgam-removal qualified before finding the one who I trust will do the job right. Yeah, it was more expensive to go through all of these consultations, but when it comes to this, the potential consequences are too great to take a chance.
When a dentist says, "I haven't been through that training, it's nothing but a big scam, I can do all that, I have all that equipment, I've been practicing for XX years, I know how to do all that, you don't really need this, you don't really need that..." I don't walk away from those dentists, I RUN!
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ukcarry
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You may find you feel better in the morning, but persevere with the chlorella, in handfuls, unless you can't tolerate it and add charcoal if possible. Drink lots of water and herb teas.
My top UK dentist for safe removal did not believe in taking so many out at once, so I would advise having the rest out only a few at a time.
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