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This info may be useless but I thought that I would share it with you just in case there is some truth to it.
I recently read about a guy claiming that his Lyme Disease symptoms were helped by following a high oxalic acid diet and by avoiding supplements that block oxalic acid. That guy called this method the "Hart Dietary Procedure Plan".
So, I done a little researching on oxalic acid and the "Hart Dietary Procedure Plan" and here is some anecdotal info that I have found.
The "Hart Dietary Procedure Plan" was developed by a guy named Francis J. Hart aka Colonel Joe and the diet seems to be primarily used as a cancer treatment/anti-cancer diet. Though, Col. Joe claims that his diet procedure and oxalic acid can kill various bacteria and viruses within the body.
Note: When treating bacterial and viral infections Col. Joe also recommends that people make a oxalic solution at home and then swish that solution around in your mouth for a few minutes. Do NOT swallow the solution though.
I have no idea whether or not Col. Joe's health claims about oxalic acid are true or not but I sure do hope that his claims are true!!!!
So, what do guys think about Col. Joe's health claims on oxalic acid???
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My friend had kidney stones and she was required to go on a low oxcylate diet for years.
Not sure of the corrolation, but if she was rx'd a LOW oxyclate diet, to avoid kidney stones, seems like a HIGH oxcylate diet would increase the chances for kidney stones.
Not something that I would want to suffer with, if possible.
Be interesting to see if anyone else weighs in on this.
emla999/Lyme
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For what it's worth, Col. Joe has said that he hasn't heard of anyone developing kidney stones when they follow his protocol correctly.
In Col. Joe's book he says that you should avoid eating dairy products while doing his oxalic acid diet strategy because dairy products contain "free calcium". Col. Joe also says that you may have to avoid drinking tap water while doing his oxalic diet strategy because some tap water may also contain free calcium.
According to Col. Joe, the reason that you should avoid free calcium is because the free calcium will block the beneficial effects of the oxalic acid from occurring.
I think that the "free calcium" will bind to the oxalic acid to form calcium oxalate.... I believe that the most common type of kidney stone is made up of calcium oxalate.
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By the way, in Col. Joe's book he says that you want to avoid all of the oxalic acid blockers while doing his diet procedure. He claims that the oxalic acid blockers will block the beneficial effects of the oxalic acid.
According to him, you should AVOID consuming the oxalic acid blockers down bellow when doing his diet strategy.
1. Citric acid 2. Free calcium as found in dairy products, some tap waters and supplemented foods. 3. Foods that are high in Vitamin B6 or supplements that contain Vitamin B6. 4. Exposure to high levels of magnetic fields and Radiation 5. Alcohol 6. Sulfuric acid and specifically Albuterol
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I assume folks know that oxalic acid is supposedly the culprit in gout. Also not sure how oxalic acid relates to the alkaline balnace question since it is very acidic, but it is interesting to hear about.
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- " . . . recommends that people make a oxalic solution at home and then swish that solution around in your mouth for a few minutes. . . ." (end quote)
I would be very careful about swishing ANY Acid in my mouth. I kind of want my teeth to stay with me. Acid can eat away at the enamel.
More details would be good from a dentist before trying this, even just from the aspect of tooth health. -
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I believe that Col. Joe recommends the oxalic acid mouth rinse/swish for acute infections. Therefore, you probably wouldn't be doing the oxalic acid mouth rinse/swish for more than a few days.
By the way, the oxalic acid solution is made by combining 300mg of oxalic acid to 600ml of distilled water. So, the final solution is approximately a .0005% oxalic acid solution. And you would only put enough of this solution in your mouth to swish with and you do not swallow the oxalic acid solution. Plus this is done for acute infections and you only do this for a few days.
For chronic illnesses such as cancer, Alzheimer's Disease, MS, ALS etc. Col. Joe recommends that you get your oxalic acid from your diet and avoid the oxalic acid blockers.
When it comes to Col. Joe's diet plan he seems to be particularly fond of drinking carrot juice daily because carrot's contain fairly high amounts oxalic acid.
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Geeeze, oxalic acid is used to bleach out black stains in furniture. It is very strong, very toxic and can kill you if ingested, according the label. My gosh, I would not want to ingest it!
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Col. Joe does not recommend that you swallow pure oxalic acid but rather he recommends that you get the oxalic acid from your diet and avoid ingesting the oxalic acid blockers listed in one of my post above.
Oxalic acid is naturally occurring and is found in many foods. Some foods such as beet roots, many of the leafy green vegetables, nuts and cocoa are among the highest in oxalic acid.
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Several years ago, I took an organic acids test which revealed dangerously high levels of oxallic acid. It is toxic to the liver and somehow robs the bones of minerals.Somehow my metabolism got messed up and my body is making way too much of the stuff.
I was put on a "low oxallic" diet and had to purchase a low oxallic cookbook.
My doc told me to stay away from the high oxallic foods, and later I found that Dr. K recommends vit K2M-4 to help bring the high levels down and to properly metaboize calcium.
I have also heard of a link between high oxalates and autism, and also, high oxalates and fibromyagia.
With these things in mind, I would personally stay away from increasing oxallic acid in the diet.
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- Emla,
Thanks for all the links and clarifications from questions.
It's good to see all kinds of considerations. LymeNet is such a good forum for the thought and discovery process. -
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Marnie
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Link to tyrosine kinase - inhibiting?
If so...maybe.
Look closely at Genistein too.
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emla999/Lyme
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For those of you that are interested in Col. Joe's oxalic acid theory of disease.
I found a few older posts on the prohealth forum by a woman who claims that the oxalic acid treatment and diet significantly helped her with her CFS/fibromyalgia symptoms.
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