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Messa
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I'm not sure if this ones true [confused] but my Llmd told me milk thistle doesnt do much for your liver. I've always heard otherwise.

If this is true then is there something better for liver health?

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Milk Thistle is a fabulous help to the liver.

However, unsure of the exact phrase or the context in which your doctor discussed it, might he have meant that right now YOUR liver needs something different?

Does he mean, in his experience with other patients?

Might he mean that the toxicity of lyme and the harshness of treatment is so hard on the liver that milk thistle is just not enough, alone? That can be true.

Is he trained (or otherwise, somewhat educated) in herbal support methods?

Just about milk thistle in general, you can go to PubMed and find many abstracts on its value.

MDs, however, are not educated about herbs. Some LLMDs are not either, although many have had to step up to the plate in that regard.

You may do best with a LL ND for adjunct care. That link in this set:


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=030792;p=0

LIVER SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too.
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Keebler
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=milk%20thistle

PubMed search of medical literature from around the world:

Milk Thistle - 480 abstracts

Better to search with its original name:

Silymarin - 1759 abstracts

Silymarin, liver - 976 abstracts


http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/milk-thistle-seed-silybum-marianum.html

Chapter from the One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson, et.al.)

MILK THISTLE SEED (Silybum marianum)
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Regarding lyme, most ILADS-educated LLMDs are very familiar with milk thistle as THE most commonly used and generally helpful liver support (for most, though not all).

You can find in suggested in Burrancano's guidelines and in most LLMDs books and articles that describe liver support.

You can find detail about its specific help for those with lyme in the books and websites of these top two LL herbalist authors:


http://tinyurl.com/5vnsjg

Book: Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections - by Stephen Harrod Buhner

Website: http://planetthrive.com/2009/08/buhner-healing-lyme-program/

Forum: http://planetthrive.com/category/experts/buhner/

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http://www.gaianstudies.org/Lyme.html

Buhner's recommendations for professionals familiar with his work. Scroll down for list.

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Allicin (from Garlic), Coptis, Smilax are key here:

http://tinyurl.com/5drx94

Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang

web site: try www.sinomedresearch.org

Passwords: "clinic" and then "clinic" again

or call for help: Hepapro - www.hepapro.com
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Milk Thistle is included here but so are other options (that naturopathic doctors know about). Lyme can cause liver fibrosis, so this is relevant:
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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/fibrosis.htm

TREATMENT AND PREVENTION OF LIVER FIBROSIS - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D


http://www.itmonline.org/arts/sidefx.htm

COUNTERING THE SIDE EFFECTS OF MODERN MEDICAL THERAPIES WITH CHINESE HERBS

-by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D
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I can't speak for Milk Thistle but I find Castor Oil packs to be very helpful

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Depends on if you can handle it. I threw up on it.
I'm doing best with far infrared detox, to diminish the toxin load on the liver.

Also, my LLMD likes takesumi activated charcoal powder as a liver detox aid. It can bind fats so we're supposed to not take it with anything that has fats.

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