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Brussels
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http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/the-yuck-factor-big-game

It's not only us, that have so many infectious and neuro diseases!

amazing description of parasites, borrelia, neuro symptoms, liver damage in moose.

It looks like there is more consensus with ticks causing mooose disease than with humans!

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If you haven't seen this National Geographic video of ghost moose, here it goes again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsd2i-qFHK4

They say death comes from blood sucking. Might be partly, but when you read the article above, you wonder...

I have seen my tom coming with hundreds of ticks once. I pulled them off when they were just nymphs.

I guess they could have killed my tomcat, if I hadn't. And that was not in Canada, but central Europe (Switzerland!)

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How can they find anaplasma in ALL moose in Sweden (sort of rickettsiosis), while they say all tick co-infectioins are so rare in Europe?

http://pub.epsilon.slu.se/11098/1/malmsten_j_140401.pdf


Read just a paragraph in page 45 and 23.

Page 45 says Anaplasma was found in every single moose they analyzed.


In 263 moose analysed, no matter which region they came in Sweden, 100% had anaplasma antibodies, including all 81 calves!!!


It means that 100% of Sweden moose have been infected by Rickettsia!!??


Page 55 show they also ran PCR exams for anaplasma.
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Page 60 speaks of Borrelia found in moose, as well as many other pathogens (such as FSME causing encephalitis in humans, but again, in Swedish moose!)

How can they find easily all these pathogens in moose, but not in humans??

It really shows that we should trust our vets, not our doctors!

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I've been saying this for years. Ppl don't believe me

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Lyme? Its complicated. Educate yourself.

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The vets will believe you!

When I talked to a vet during lyme, she asked me, why the hell doctors don't help you?!

Vets look at the animals, their fur, their stools, urine, their blood, their behavior, their teeth, their eyes and see how they are doing.

how can these Swedish vet researchers find all these pathogens in moose while our doctors have even difficulty finding borrelia or bigger pathogens, like babesia, in us??

REally, if you have a vet friend, go see him. He will probably get you better tests and treatments.

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Yeah, it's rather pathetic.

Vets are working on animals, they don't have to worry about being sued for not following idsa guidelines (here), but really they find the parasites because they keep looking knowing the animal is still sick. Our vet found weird stuff in our pet too.

MDs get nervous about getting sued or even worse losing their licensees, so they follow what they were trained and question the patient's mind instead of listening. Only the brave move forward. The rest of them are not only blocked, they're stuck.

Somewhere along the way when the switch to evidence based medicine became the gold standard for healthcare conventional medicine fell apart. It hugely failed people with chronic issues. Mostly when these doctors contract lyme themselves do they learn just how real it is and become lyme practitioners.

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You're probably right, Catgirl.

It's just fear of being suited or losing licenses.


The patients? Why worry about them?

It's just my job, my monthly income that matters.

It must be hard for doctors who are really wanting to help, who have real medicine in their veins and hearts.

It is quite discouraging to do medicine today, I find.

A profession that serves for nothing, only see the end-of-month income as aim of a lifetime.

So many years of study for a BIG NOTHING in the end.

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Evidence based medicine is NOT what most doctors are doing.

What is more evidence than seeing all these parasites / pathogens inside animals?!


Vets are doing evidence-based- medicine.

Our doctors are doing monthly-income-keep-my-license based medicine. [Roll Eyes]

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FK the Hippocratic Oath. Doesn't mean **** anymore.
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