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I started supplementing with Vit D (d3) at the end of February of this year. After 6 weeks of supplementing at 10,000 IU (I don't recommend this high a does for everyone but I had symptoms of vit D deficiency, have avoided the sun for the last 16 years and I don't get nearly enough vit D from my diet)I went it to get my levels vit D tested. I tested at 117 nmol/lt - ideally you want to be at 125nmol - 150nmol.
I can not believe the difference it has made - I hesitate to say amazing, but it is astounding. I am back at the gym and feeling good - not like hell warmed over as I normally do. My heart rate has stabilized, my blood pressure is down etc. Adequate Vit D, aside from dramatically lowering cancer rates, also works as a natural antibiotic. I can say without a doubt, so far, that this is the most important supplement I have taken for Lyme disease.
On a side note - I have had Lyme disease for at least 17 years. Diagnosed 2 years ago with a CDC positive IGENEX test as well as a clinical diagnosis from an MD. I have not taken antibiotics. I was about 65% normal after radically modifying my diet and using herbs and supplements. With vitamin D supplementation I am now at 80-85% - at times feeling completely normal. I have residual tinnitus, trouble with word recall (although less than it was) and some fatigue but the difference from where I was 4 years ago is astounding.
Vit D is a fat soluble vitamin - as such it can be toxic in doses that are too high. Recent peer-reviewed studies, of which there are MANY, have shown that the current RDA which is set at 400 IU is far too low. Many people in N. America, especially Canada, are deficient in Vit D.
Do yourself a favour and check out the benefits of Vit D at www.pubmed.com There is also an excellent article on the benefits of Vitamin D at www.globeandmail.com
Vit D lowers the incidence of MS - I personally believe MS is an undiagnosed bacterial infection - possibly a borrelia infection - anyways, food for thought.
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Glad to hear, my LLMD is against the Marshal Protocol which is to reduce the most vitamin D possible. All the people my LLMD has tried it on they have responded negativly or it did nothing at all. He actually recommends to go out and get a tan!
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How many weeks before you knew that you were improving?
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Thanks Gwen. Great post to read. Hubby just started the high does Vitamin D a week ago. Am anxious to see if it helps him.
Yep, LLMD also told hubby to get a tan, Byron. I've heard this from other docs besides hubby's Lyme Doc. Apparently the lack of Vitamin D is chronic these days. We all sit inside under the air conditioning too much. Lol.
How long do you plan to take the high dose, gwen? Are you still being treated with ABX?
Thanks a bunch for posting this.
I agree with you about MS.
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Gwen, was wondering if there is a specific brand you recommend. Also, do you take it in pill form or liguid? I continuosly test very low for Vit D, but really don't know best way to treat it and in what form. Thanks for any input.
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Thanks for posting this, Gwen. I haven't seen the sun in years, thanks to antibiotics, and also have low D levels. I have two doctors who are in disagreement over vit D, and I couldn't decide who to listen to. Now I'll definitely try it. I took three weeks of high dose vit D2 (50,000 IU), but didn't feel a difference. Then I read that D3 is the bioactive form. Great.
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Was there a recent article regarding too much vitamin D supplementation? I can't recall. As with everything, balance is the key. But if anyone knows where this article is, please pass it on.
I've been tested and run on the low side and have been considering adding a D supplement. Just want to make sure I do it safely.
Thanks!
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Gwen can probably answer this better, but I thought I'd let you know what we got from LLMD.
It is Biotech brand D3-5. 5000 IU
Doseage is one per day, but I'm really not sure for how long.
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I have ramped down my intake - I am about 2,000 IU daily, plus I am aiming to get sun (3x per week 90% exposure for 90 minutes in total - don't burn or even tan - just want to get slightly pink). I will retest my levels in 2 months and see where I am and adjust accordingly.
Sunshine is the more efficient and effective way to get D (although in many places in N. America we are too far north to get uvb rays for about 7 months of the year)- plus although the body converts UVB to Vit D very efficiently and in very large dosages (10,000 IU+++ in under 1/2 hour) it is not toxic this way. I am not taking any abx - although mind you I have a feeling that with adequate Vit D levels, abx would be much much much more effective.
It was probably about 3 weeks before I really knew I was improving (supplementing every day). First of all my heart rate, which is fast, went down by about 20%, my resting pulse is now about 67 bpm. Then I noticed that I just felt better - had much more energy. I felt peppy and had zip - so much so that I took out a gym membership and have worked out 7 of the last 10 days - including weights and 30+ minutes of cardio (fairly hard). I don't feel bagged afterwards either, and I don't swell up as I normally do. The swelling in my ankles is down, my blood pressure is heading in the right direction etc.
I originally took vitamin d to reduce my risk of cancer. I have dense breasts, and women with dense breasts have a five-fold increase in getting breast cancer. Vitamin D (again peer-reviewed studies from Montreal) reduces breast density and substantially reduces the incidence of breast, colon and prostate cancers - tons and tons of peer-reviewed studies to back those claims up (vitamin d controls cell proliferation and differentation - which is why it is KEY in reducing cancer rates.)
By staying out of the sun, idiotic advice when taken to the extreme, covering up 90% of our bodies and relying on far far far too low an RDA we have inadvertently created a health crisis. Also, vitamin D is effective not only in treating MS, but also RA and tuberculosis - interesting.
I take SISU brand of vit D3 - it is VERY cheap. I also supplement with cod liver oil. Be careful with cod liver oil, nearly all brands sold in the US have the natural Vit A and D stripped out and replaced with lower level synthetic versions of A and D - insane I know.
I wouldn't touch D2 or any vitamin D analogs - D3 is tres cheap and natural and supposed to be the best to absorb. Do remember that people react differently to vitamins and get your vitamin D levels tested - ideally before and after supplementing. I have posted previously on vitamin D - just need to hit search.
I must say I also got better through a herbal formula that was energy tested for me and which I have been taking for almost 12 months - however the vitamin D improvement was so amazing I just had to share it.
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quote:Originally posted by gwenb: I There is also an excellent article on the benefits of Vitamin D at www.globeandmail.com
Gwen
There is also an excellent article on the benefits of Vitamin D at www.globeandmail.com
The link must be old what was the exact name of artical gwen????
TAKE A PILL
In the winter months, and for those who do not want to expose their skin to sun, Dr. Cannell recommends taking vitamin D supplements. Vitamin D3 cholecalciferol pills are available over the counter in most pharmacies and health-food stores. He suggests taking 2,000 international units of the supplement per day.
It is possible to have too much vitamin D; Dr. Cannell cautions against buying supplements over the Internet. "You can get capsules with 50,000 units. That's a medicine; it's not for supplementation," he says from:
In the body, vitamin D is converted into a steroid hormone, and genes responding to it play a crucial role in fixing damaged cells and maintaining good cell health. "There is no better anti-cancer agent than activated vitamin D. I mean, it does everything you'd want," said Dr. Cannell of the Vitamin D Council.
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Dear Friends,
I have a friend who is really on the Vitamin D bandwagon and thinks that people should get their D-25 test up to 300 ng/mL. Mine, at the highest, was still under 50. The Marshall Protocol says that you should be under 12 ng/mL for your body to attack the Lyme bacteria successfully.
My personal experience was that I got very dry eyes when on 5000 IU a day of Vit D and my hubby had cardiac problems. We both have Lyme. I cut back the Vit D a lot, lowered my light exposure, and started wearing the NoIR glasses, which really helped me. My hubby cut out supplimental Vitamin D, but not Vitamin D rich-foods. He still has an elevated 1,25 D--well outside the normal range. Mine has come way down--almost normal--from quite elevated.
I personally would get the 25-D and 1,25-D tests done before maxing out on Vit D3.
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I find the Vitamin D research fascinating esp. since multiple sclerosis doesn't seem to occur much in sunny hot climates like Carribean etc. And the Vitamin D/cancer connection is very strong.
The worst idea anybody ever had was sunscreen. It took away the ability to make Vitamin D while lettng people stay in the sun longer than their natural mechanisms suggest. If you want to be out in the sun all day, do some uncovered to get Vit D and then wear light covering clothing and a floppy hat, like the Ozzies do.
However I am personally leery of taking huge doses of one single supplement, who knows exactly what the body does with sunlight--it does more than just create D3. How would I know what dose I really need?I could under or overdose.
So I plan to get a lot of sun now that it's warm and I'm even thinking of relocating eventually because I always felt better in sunny climates. You can built up reseves of Vit D in the summer but in northern latitudes in the US you simply don't get enough the sun is too weak in the winter months. Probably one reason the Scandinavians are all blonde as they absorbed more UVB with their light skin and were able to use the bit of sun they got more efficiently. Justa thought.
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Seems strange that there's such a dichotomy between the Marshall protocol low Vitamin D advocacy and the high dosage advocacy. Maybe for different body types?
Also when I read that Vitamin D and cancer are linked, I wonder if there's any connection with lipomas, which is what I've got(fatty tissue tumors).
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I stumbled across the Vitamin D advice, and once I did I couldn't stop researching. I am sure that there will be a massive emphasis on Vitamin D supplementation in the near future, and how authorities have unwittingly contributed to a cancer epidemic by telling people to stay out of the sun.
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hmm. this is really interesting.
personally, though, i am grateful for sunscreen. i have red hair, blue eyes, and EXTREMELY fair skin and i wouldn't be able to be in the sun for more than five minutes without it. i have a good friend with albinism who wouldn't be able to go outside at all if not for sunscreen. trust me, severe sunburn (i've gotten second degree burns before - blisters all over my shoulders and back) is NO fun.
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I live in Florida and spend 20 minutes in the sun at least five times weekly. 20 mins. is all it takes for me to start to burn.
I also take 1,200 units of D3 daily, 1,000 in a gelcap and the other 200 in my multi-vitamin. Still, I can never get my 25D above 40. I have tried cod liver oil and that did not help either. I am not sure what to do...I am a bit afraid of high doses.
For those of you who decide to go in the sun to get vit. D, please remember not to shower for at least an hour afterwards or you will wash the vit. D off your skin before it's absorbed. That is hard to do here in Florida, where just five minutes in the sun can make you soaking wet with sweat!
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Oxygenbabe,
there's another theory on the alzheimers/tropical countries connection- people tend to eat a lot of turmeric (like in both Indian and Caribbean curries) , which has been proven to cut down on one's chance of developing Alzheimer's.
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Ten minutes in unprotected sun is all you need to fulfill your daily requirement.
But, to start out, that was too much for my daughter, it was making her sick (herx), so she supplemented.
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Klutzo, what do you mean wash the vitamin D off your skin? Just curious. Seems really odd
Maria, thanks for that point.
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I don't feel comfortable with D supplementation because a friend of mine with Lyme supplemented with D and got sicker and sicker following standard ILAds treatment plus D.
Now, even with very very low 25 D he has started on the Marshall Protocol and is completely eliminating sun exposure and seems to be making improvement.
I personally would opt for the middle path and make sure one has their 25-D and 1,25-D tested before supplementing.
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This seems to me to be the most sensible advice. Dr. K recommends in the end pages of his Beyond Antibiotics, that if someone has 1,25-D above 45 pg/mL, they should then do the Marshall Protocol. This is where you KNOW you're bones are being disolved back into your blood, to be deposited in the soft tissue or excreted in the urine. Among other hypervitaminosis-D symptoms. Yuck.
I think some people are fine with D, and some are not. If you're already dealing with Lyme, best to test! The numbers are at the Marshall Protocol site. As I recall, the target for Lymies on 1,25 D is 25 pg/mL, but 12 pg/mL is adequate for health, as this is the active metabolite whereas 25-D is the precursor.
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Oxygenbabe, Dr. Mercola says vitamin D is made on the skin when you sun yourself, and it takes about an hour for it to be absorbed into your body from the surface of the skin, so if you shower too soon, it gets washed off.
He is very big on raising vitamin D levels, and has studied it a lot, so I presume he knows what he's talking about, but who knows. I would guess swimming would wash it off too.
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Chootik - That is a good question! I have been trying to figure this out! It seems that some doc's know how and where to do it and others get confused. I hear that the 1,25-D needs to be frozen before sent to the lab or something.
OK, OK... I found this document that I had saved in the past. At the end of it you will find how to have it measured. For a more complete document I would suggest doing a search for it on the internet. But it seems to summarize the whole D controversy and concern in a nutshell, whether or not one believes in Marshall's approach. I know very little about him and have chosen not to go on their website. I only get this info from the fringes and I find it very interesting - enough so that I would not want to supplement with D!
Here are parts of the document - I tried to shorten it but I think that it will help: _______________________________________ Excess of active form of vitamin D (1,25 D) linked to chronic fatigue syndrome, Lyme disease, fibromyalgia and autoimmune illnesses
by J. C. Waterhouse, Ph.D.
Recent research shows that the active form of the vitamin D hormone (1,25 D) is present in excessive levels relative to the inactive 25 D form in patients diagnosed with a number of inflammatory illnesses, such as certain autoimmune illnesses, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia and Lyme disease. Evidence suggests that this is due to unregulated production of 1,25 vitamin D by macrophages in the course of an excessive TH1 immune response. Research indicates that this occurs in response to cell wall deficient forms of bacteria parasitizing immune cells and other tissue.
To ensure accurate results for 1,25 D in the serum, laboratories must freeze the sample for transport and not all labs currently do so.
In healthy people with a normally functioning immune system, the kidneys regulate the amount of conversion of the inactive form of vitamin D (25 D) into the active form (1,25 D), producing whatever amount of the active form the body needs. However, as has been shown in recent research ( 2, 5, 6), several chronic illnesses show evidence of excessive activity of TH1 immune function leading to an overabundance of 1,25 vitamin D produced by immune cells, such as macrophages. This occurs because, as part of the TH1 inflammatory response, activated macrophages convert 25 D to the 1,25 D form (2, 4). For example, in research on sarcoidosis, Marshall et al (4) have found an elevated ratio of 1,25 D to 25 D (D ratio),
The above patterns have been missed previously because there have been a number of problems with vitamin D testing. The most important problem is that most studies have only measured the inactive form of vitamin D (25 D). This tends to reflect the intake of vitamin D and thus largely misses the role of processes that cause dysregulation of the 1,25 vitamin D hormone levels, such as the conversion of 25 D to 1,25 D by macrophages. Also, since the active form of vitamin D (1,25 D) tends to degrade easily, it requires that the sample be frozen for transport, and not all labs do this.
................................................................................... In addition, many of the estimates of serum levels of 25 D may be misleadingly low, since the inflammation from TH1 activity leads to conversion of the inactive 25 D form to the active 1,25 D form, often depleting serum levels of the measured inactive vitamin D (25 D) in order to increase active vitamin D (1,25 D). ........................................................................
Need for More Study of Active Vitamin D (1,25 D) Levels: Multiple Sclerosis and Other Diseases
..................................There has been a growing movement to routinely recommend increased vitamin D supplementation and sun exposure based on the results of studies of levels of the inactive form of vitamin D (25 D).............................
These studies, especially in higher latitudes, may truly reflect vitamin D deficiencies in many people (3)
. .........................................In most people, the kidneys regulate the conversion of 25 D to 1,25 D, so, in the past, many doctors and researchers have concluded that there is no need to measure the 1,25 D form. However, this view is contrary to the U.S. FDA's recommendations for studies of osteoporotic therapies to include testing of the 1,25 D form (14). It would seem wise to also apply this more thorough level of testing to other diseases that may involve vitamin D,.......................... considering the recently widening understanding of its important immune system functions.
...........................It is also important to note that any short term benefit of vitamin D in autoimmune illness may be the result of a phenomenon observed in sarcoidosis patients, who sometimes seem to improve for a period of time when vitamin D is elevated, only to relapse later. This is thought to be due to immunosuppressive effects of higher levels of active vitamin D that lead, over time, to increased levels of CWD bacteria, which cause a worsening of the illness (see reference 17 and below). Also, an approach that has succeeded in achieving remission in more than 90% of sarcoidosis patients has included minimizing vitamin D exposure (2, 5).
************** .................................To illustrate the potential problems with supplementing vitamin D based on the levels of the inactive form of vitamin D (25 D) alone, I will present a brief example of a person disabled with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia for 18 years and later diagnosed with chronic Lyme disease. Vitamin D testing revealed a borderline low level of the inactive 25 D form of vitamin D (11 mg/ml) despite moderate supplementation (500 IU/d), which might have prompted a recommendation to increase vitamin D intake. However, this patient was actually suffering from vitamin D intoxication, since the level of 1,25 D, the active form, was at 64 pg/ml, well above the Merck Manual upper limit of 45 pg/ml (8).
This level was high enough to potentially decrease bone mineral density (6). Over a period of several weeks of minimizing vitamin D intake and avoiding sun exposure, many of the symptoms of hypervitaminosis D improved significantly (including fatigue, weakness and cognitive problems). ...................Apparently, the 25 D form was low, not because of too low an intake, but because it was vigorously being converted by active macrophages into excessive levels of the active 1,25 D form.
**********.............. show that many patients with a variety of inflammatory illnesses show a similar pattern of elevated active vitamin D and/or an elevated D ratio. It seems to this author, that it might be wise for anyone with a chronic inflammatory illness to keep their vitamin D from food, supplements and sun to a moderate level (e.g., 200-400 IU) until they can get both
***************their 25 D and 1,25 vitamin D levels properly tested at a lab that freezes the sample for transport (e.g., Quest Labs).
This might also apply to those who have symptoms of hypervitaminosis D, which include: fatigue, weakness, mood changes, insomnia, inability to concentrate, sleepiness, irritability, feeling of intoxication, metallic taste, difficulty swallowing, muscle and joint pains and a number of other symptoms (9). .................
In assessing changes in vitamin D intake, it should be remembered that the inactive 25 D form of vitamin D is stored in fat tissue and has a half life of 1-2 months, thus any effects of vitamin D reduction may take weeks to appear. Experience has shown (4, 5) that the higher the 25 D level, the more it fuels the conversion to the active 1,25 D form by the unregulated macrophages in inflamed tissue. Finally, until much more research is done on both active and inactive forms of vitamin D and their role in inflammatory diseases, it seems advisable that any deviation from a moderate average vitamin D intake or, more precisely, a moderate level of active 1,25 D, should proceed only with great caution. And for those illnesses that are similar to sarcoidosis in patterns of vitamin D levels, it may be that one must temporarily minimize vitamin D ingestion and sun exposure in order to reduce an elevated 1,25 D level to a moderate level and thus achieve improvement in symptoms (4, 5 and above example of CFS/FM/Lyme patient).
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I personally find it interesting that most of the recommendations against Vitamin D supplementation come from researchers associated with the Marshall Protocol - a protocol that is controversial to say the least.
There are hundred and hundreds if not thousands of peer-reviewed studies showing the benefits of adequate Vitamin D levels in combating multiple cancers, microbial infections, respiratory infections, metabolic syndrome, MS, RA, tuberculosis, hypertension, cardio-vascular disease and the list goes on.
I encourage everyone with doubts to go to pubmed.com and do a simple search, or google for peer-reviewed articles. I believe by evaluating the extremely compelling data about the dangers of Vitamin D deficiency that many people will come to the conclusion that adequate levels of Vitamin D, which most people in N. America do not have, are necessary to dramatically lower one's cancer risk and improve one's overall health.
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I was just wondering. Can you herx from Vitamin D3? I started it about 3 weeks ago and I have just got off the worst herx I have had in years. It lasted 3 weeks. I didn't make the connection but I guess it is possible to herx from it.
Right?
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Very very interesting thread to read. I think there is a lot to do with the lack of Vit D in all of us. I know my thyroid doc (who is great) always tests mine. He says more and more studies show people are deficient.
Now Hubby's Lyme doc is saying the same thing.
Just think what we've watch on the news for the last twenty years.....melanoma, melanoma, skin cancer, use your sunscreen, etc.
Same with ABX. Cut back on ABX, because we were becoming immune to it.
Yet more and more people are getting cancer.
Just strange.
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The thing about all these studies about need for more Vitamin D is that they don't take into considertation what Dr. M discovered. The testing of D 1.25.
The elevated D 1.25 is what keeping so many ill.
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Jarjar - That is what my above Waterhouse article summarizes.
That is the part that scares me with people wanting to start D supplements when there is evidence to the contrary. It really seems like they should get the proper testing done before supplementing (1,25-D testing), to make sure their active D is not highly elevated.
I have seen a few cases where people crash hard after initially getting well on D. Does it follow a steroid type course which is what this research says it does. We know Lyme patients do not do well on steroids. It just scares me.
But I do not see that people should do the opposite extreme and avoid sun and all foods with D etc... but just make sure their 1,25-D is not hugely elevated before they start to supplement.
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As I mentioned in another posting Buhner is advocating 12000iu of D3 so I am going to try it for a few weeks to see if it makes any difference.
But I am going to taking it the form of vitimin D taken from Cod liver oil as I think that is more likely to be absorbed than taking it in plant form(I have leaky gut).
The naturopath below advocates this this as well in terms of the form taken ie cod liver oil.
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Sharing a story from a non-Lymie. She has had very bad insomnia. She lives in a northern state with very intense winters, so she doesn't get sun.
Mid-winter her doctor tested her D levels and found her to be very low. She did massive supplementation until they were high, and then cut back.
Her insomnia is gone from many times a week to once a month.
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D is a hormone, not a vitamin. Plain and simple. Do you all think taking hormones will help your disease or alleviate symptoms and allow the disease to progress?
Supplementing D is dangerous unless you have both D and 1,25D levels checked first.
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When at my worst being in the sun made me very ill. As I began to get better this didn't happen to me anymore.
Now I take D3 and it has helped me. I did however have my levels checked first and I'm working with my llmd on it.
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Supplementing with Vit D is only dangerous for a very small subset of the population. The real, and proven, danger lies in being deficient in it. That said, it is important to get your levels checked, ideally before and after supplementing, because it is a fat soluble vitamin - meaning it can be toxic if the doses are too high.
Just a reminder that the RDA for Vit D which is set at 400 IU is much much much too low to prevent anything but rickets.
Richard Hobday Richard Hobday's second book THE LIGHT REVOLUTION: HEALTH, ARCHITECTURE AND THE SUN (Findhorn, 2006) brings together historical evidence, traditional wisdom and the latest scientific findings to explain how to use light - especially sunlight - to promote health in the built environment.
We all need as much natural light as possible, and the best available artificial light when sunlight is insufficient or absent. Correct lighting is not only conducive to human happiness and productivity, but also essential to good health.
None of this is widely understood or simple: hence a book full of constructive information. To miss the holistic health message of this book is to lay yourself open to a host of illnesses, including depression, heart disease, diabetes, osteoporosis, TB and falling host to MRSA.
Richard has a PhD in Engineering and has been involved in a wide range of projects concerned with sustainability and health in the built environment. His first book was THE HEALING SUN: SUNLIGHT AND HEALTH IN THE 21ST CENTURY (Findhorn, 2000).
The Light Revolution Paperback: 156 pages Publisher: Findhorn Press Ltd. (1 Nov 2006) Language: English ISBN-10: 1844090876 ISBN-13: 978-1844090877
"An excellent title for an excellent book - showing the way forward for public health and wellbeing"
Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin.
This book is just what we need to start putting right our nation's health - safely and free of charge, meanwhile providing a few home truths for the UK's outdated and misguided health service. Here we have a highly readable, well-researched account of the value of sunlight to human beings throughout the ages right up to the very latest research evidence that may have missed the headlines. In the nicest possible way, `The Light Revolution' serves as a warning to us all - keep out of the sun at your peril.
In this new book Richard Hobday, also author of `The Healing Sun', admirably introduces us to his expert knowledge of how ancient Egyptians and Roman city planners made full use of their understanding of sunlight to promote good public health and specifically to prevent ill-health. He takes us step by step, in layman's language but with thoroughness and a gentle sense of humour, through the more recent historical evidence from the nineteenth century. At that time amidst the new industrial squalor and polluted Victorian cities, scientists, writers, nurses, doctors, philanthropists, architects and all were announcing to the world that sunlight is vital as a disinfectant, restoring very sick patients to good health as well as strengthening the immune system and significantly controlling our physical and emotional wellbeing. It was common knowledge that sunlight is the best disinfectant. In those days the great public health challenges for which sunlight provided a ready answer were infected wounds, pain management and melancholia. Rickets and TB were soon to be identified as preventable and treatable with solar therapy. In 1903, a Nobel Prize for Physiology was awarded to Niels Finsen in recognition for his success in treating TB with ultraviolet light. How is it that nowadays sunlight doesn't even get a mention in the official TB information for the British public?
The real punch to this book is what has gone badly wrong in the last hundred years or so. Whilst building technology and modern medicine have advanced immeasurably, the necessary skills and art of harnessing the sun's power for health have been overlooked. Much of the painstaking research and pioneering achievements have been ``airbrushed out'' of the medical books and courses in architecture - all but forgotten. The human basic biological need for sunlight is not only being ignored and neglected. We can ask ourselves - is it even being denied - cavalier-style - by the government agencies and medical experts whose job it is to protect the nation's health?
Hobday reminds us of those well-intentioned public health campaigns advocating sun avoidance. They could actually be having a harmful effect because sunscreens cut out our ability to make Vitamin D by 90%. Meanwhile, we have known for half a century that exposure to UV light reduces cholesterol levels by 13%, and also lowers blood pressure! Has this artificially created fear of sunlight actually caused thousands of people to die prematurely - many, many more than have died from skin cancer?
Conversely, the author advises us that there is now enough evidence of a link between vitamin D deficiency and the modern ills of cancer, coronary heart disease, diabetes, obesity, depression and numerous others. He calls for health campaigns to actively promote sunbathing, and inform the public of the best ways of doing this safely.
Here is the historical evidence for sunlight therapy in terms of curing rickets and TB during the pre-antibiotic era, along with plenty more evidence about sunlight's other general antimicrobial properties. It was reported to the Royal Society back in 1877 that sunlight kills bacteria. More recently, scientists have concluded that infection with the influenza virus depends on variations in natural sunlight - how could that knowledge be applied to 21st century flu infections such as SARS and bird flu perhaps? It is emphasised, loud and clear, that a consequence of 20th century antibiotics has been a complacent, over-relaxed attitude to infections. The dangers nowadays are that multi-resistant superbugs cling on to the indoor airborne dust that is basically microscopic skin cells but not noticed because of the lack of strong beams of sunlight in our modern buildings! Thankfully, we are given a simple example of some research dating back to 1944 when the dust in dark hospital corners consistently contained bacteria - whereas dust on or near the windows was consistently germ-free. Yes, in sunlight, the bacteria are destroyed and the principle is simple enough for a child to understand.
Now at last we are provided with a wake-up call to fresh air, sunlight and cleanliness, because the same bactericidal principle would apply whether the germs have developed antibiotic-resistance or not. Whether the `contact' theory of germ transmission, or the `droplet' theory or the `dust' theory is now accepted, (or even all three), the fact remains that multi-drug resistant infections are here to stay and we could learn a lot from our forebears who had other methods of keeping people healthy.
Hobday suggests that perhaps a business case could be put forward - where healthy lighting has a value placed on it in terms of hospital running costs, including staff illness and patient outcomes. He also offers some research topics for the future, such as what is the healthier option - sunbeds or vitamin D supplements. After reading this book, the public would want to know, one way or the other. He points out the dangers of shift work and 24 hour lighting in hospitals, linked with medication errors by staff and poor quality of sleep for patients, so there are major opportunities for developing lighting technologies that promote safety and health. We are provided with practical suggestions for doing a light audit, and by applying the basic principles of building orientation, how we can work out for ourselves from maps of our homes, workplaces and hospitals whether we are likely to be receiving enough sunlight.
In terms of town planning and architectural design, we are treated to some superb explanatory diagrams of how buildings should be oriented for maximum benefit inside and outside buildings - and as an interesting contrast to the rest of the book, there are some descriptions and drawings showing the creativity and idealism of 20th century architects who themselves were great sun-worshippers of the day, as examples of Modernism and the new International Style. The author includes some choice quotations that are still worth contemplating today: for example, the great Le Corbusier from 1953:
``Doling out cosmic energy, the sun's effects are both physical and moral, and they have been too much neglected in recent times. The results of that need can be seen in cemetery and sanatorium.''
How ungrateful we are, by staying in the shadows and depriving ourselves of sunlight. We may not in this country have a legal right to sunlight, but this book, the sequel to `The Healing Sun' by the same author, is about revolution. No doubt there will soon be more to tell, when this sorry situation is looked at in a different light. Now we can, if we choose, take some responsibility for our own health and act on the information we have been given in this salutary book. Also we can calmly request that our public buildings are free of harmful pathogens for our health and safety. The onus is on the hospital trusts and employers. Are you still sitting comfortably? Now let's begin the new year afresh, and let some sunlight in. It sounds simple enough, doesn't it?
An excellent book for the new year.
Grace Filby BA (Hons.) Cert.Ed. Reigate, Surrey 5.12.06
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Three days on 12000iu of fish oil vitamin D nothing to report.
The vitamin D council prefer you to take plant based D3 because of the the vit A in fish oil but there in an article in the may issue of Townsend letter for Doctors disputing this.
Gwen personally I would keep on at the 10000 ie but I am very pleased for you.
You need to be careful how you get your Vit D. Sunshine is best - getting it from cod liver oil is also good with the exception that to get enough Vit D you would be likely getting far far too much Vit A - also many brands in the US strip out natural levels of Vit A and D in cod liver oil and replace it with synthetic A and D which can be toxic in lower doses.
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just started taking a weekly dose of solgar natural D3 which is 50,000 iu of vit D3(cod liver) and 150,000iu vit A.
Vit A helps the body absorb Vit D and together they are non toxic in their natural forms argues www.westonprice.org. But we need plenty of sunshine as well he argues.
I had been taking 12,000iu of D3 daily but want to try a larger weekly dose. Michael Holick argues this.
Previously I have been taking 4000iu of plant D3 to no effect.
I havent had my levels tested. Not feasible locally.
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It mentions here taking 90,000iu of Vit A daily.
To be honest I think Weston Price would be even more liberal with regards the safety of cod liver oil but that info isnt on the web, just in his book.
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Vitamin A, Vitamin D and Cod Liver Oil: Some Clarifications by Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig, PhD Several visitors to our website have noted inconsistencies in various statements about vitamin A, vitamin D and cod liver oil. These issues revolve around questions of dosage and safety.
Vitamin A Dosage: We have pointed out that concerns about vitamin A toxicity are exaggerated. While some forms of synthetic vitamin A found in supplements can be toxic at only moderately high doses, fat-soluble vitamin A naturally found in foods like cod liver oil, liver, and butterfat is safe at up to ten times the doses of water-soluble, solidified, and emulsified vitamin A found in some supplements that produce toxicity.(1) Additionally, the vitamin D found in cod liver oil and butterfat from pasture-raised animals protects against vitamin A toxicity, and allows one to consume a much higher amount of vitamin A before it becomes toxic.(1-3) Liver from land mammals is high in vitamin A but low in vitamin D, and should therefore be consumed with other vitamin D-rich foods such as lard or bacon from pasture-raised pigs, egg yolks, and oily fish, or during months in which UV-B light is sufficient to provide one with adequate vitamin D.
As a general guideline, we recommend the following doses of vitamin A from cod liver oil, along with a nutrient-dense diet that contains other vitamin A-rich foods:
Children age 3 months to 12 years: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 5000 IU vitamin A daily Children over 12 years and adults: A maintenance dose of cod liver oil that provides about 10,000 IU vitamin A daily Pregnant and nursing women: A dose of cod liver oil that provides about 20,000 IU vitamin A daily
Individuals under stress or wishing to use cod liver oil to treat a disease condition may take much larger doses, even up to 90,000 IU vitamin A per day, for a period of several weeks.
Vitamin D The recommended dosages for cod liver oil provide about 500 IU vitamin D for children, 1000 IU vitamin D for adults, 2000 IU vitamin D for pregnant and nursing women and up to 9000 IU for those taking large amounts of cod liver oil to deal with stress and disease.
In 1997, the Food and Nutrition Board of the US Institute of Medicine set the tolerable upper intake level (TUIL) for vitamin D at 2000 IU per day. However, the vitamin D content experts on the Upper Limits Panel objected to this limit, and several prominent vitamin D researchers have called for an upward revision of the limit. Experiments show that even during the winter with a low vitamin D intake, humans will exhaust stores of vitamin D at a rate of 3000-4000 IU per day, an amount that many people require to maintain optimal levels of the vitamin in the blood. Extensive exposure to summer sun at mid latitudes naturally produces levels of vitamin D in the blood equivalent to what is attained by supplementing with a continued daily dose of 10,000 IU, suggesting humans are designed to tolerate such large amounts of vitamin D.(4)
If you are a lifeguard or spend a lot of time in the sun, you do not need to take supplemental vitamin D; however you still need to consume adequate vitamin A. Animal studies show that even moderate amounts of vitamin D increase the body's need for vitamin A, whether the vitamin D is provided in the diet or by UV light (2,5). So, if you cut back or eliminate cod liver oil in the summer, be sure to consume plenty of oily fish, liver, butterfat and egg yolks from grass-fed hens to ensure adequate vitamin A.
This does not mean we do not recommend that some individuals have their vitamin D levels tested. Such testing can be very useful in determining vitamin D status and the effectiveness of cod liver oil or vitamin D supplements.
Cod Liver Oil As of February, 2005, we recommend the following brands of cod liver oil:
In Stores: Garden of Life, regular dose cod liver oil
By Mail Order:
Dr. Ron's High Vitamin Old Fashioned Blue Ice Pure Cod Liver Oil, 1-877-472-8701, drrons.com Radiant Life, Premier High Vitamin Cod Liver Oil, (888) 593-8333, radiantlifecatalog.com Blue Ice, High Vitamin Cod Liver Oil, (402) 338-5551, greenpasture.org In Europe, Healthspan Ltd., 0800 73 123 77, www.healthspan.co.uk In Australia, Melrose cod liver oil, email: [email protected]
Note that 1 scant teaspoon of regular dose cod liver oil provides about 5,000 IU vitamin A while 1 scant teaspoon of high-vitamin cod liver oil provides over 11,000 IU vitamin A. This extra vitamin A helps to protect the polyunsaturated fatty acids from becoming oxidized after they are incorporated into the cell membrane.(6) High-vitamin cod liver oil also contains a higher proportion of vitamin D than does regular-dose cod liver oil, which is necessary to balance the vitamin A.
Some of the brands recommended in various articles on our website we no longer endorse because the manufacturer is removing vitamin A out of concerns of toxicity. An adequate dose of vitamin A-reduced cod liver oil may supply more unsaturated fatty acids than is considered safe.
Warning: Many brands of cod liver oil are processed to remove all the vitamins A and D and then have synthetic vitamins A and D added back in. These products should be completely avoided as the synthetic versions of A and D are toxic. For those living in Canada or overseas, where our recommended brands are not available, be sure to contact the manufacturer and inquire whether the A and D in their cod liver oil is naturally occurring or synthetic.
References
1. Myhre, et al., "Water-miscible, emulsified, and solid forms of retinol supplements are more toxic than oil-based preparations," Am J Clin Nutr, 78 (2003) 1152-9.
2. Aburto, et al., "The influence of Vitamin A on the Utilization and Amelioration of Toxicity of Cholecalciferol, 25-Hydroxycholecalciferol, and 1,25-Dihydroxycholecalciferol in Young Broiler Chickens," Poultry Science, 77 (1998) 570-577.
3. Metz, et al., "The Interaction of Dietary Vitamin A and Vitamin D Related to Skeletal Development in the Turkey Poult," J. Nutr. 115 (1985) 929-935.
4. Heaney, Robert P., "The Vitamin D requirement in health and disease," Journal of Steroid Biochemistry & Molecular Biology, 97 (2005) 13-19.
5. Aburto and Britton, "Effects of Different Levels of Vitamins A and E on the Utilization of Cholecalciferol by Broiler Chickens," Poultry Science, 77 (1998) 570-577.
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Dr Holick recommends a big weekly dose tp remedy a defieciency.
wallace Vitamin D: The Underrated Essential Researcher Michael F. Holick, M.D. shares his insight into this overlooked necessity
Despite being one of the most crucial components of healthy bones, a protector against cancer and diabetes, and a valuable component of the immune system, vitamin D has gone largely unnoticed in the public eye. To uncover some of the benefits of this underrated nutrient, Life Extension spoke with Dr. Michael F. Holick, a vitamin D researcher at Boston University's Medical Center and the author of The UV Advantage.
Life Extension Foundation: What is the role of vitamin D in the human body?
Dr. Michael Holick: Vitamin D has a multitude of effects, the principal of which is the development and maintenance of bone health from birth to death. In people who are vitamin D deficient, you will see a wide variety of bone disorders, such as osteoporosis and osteomalacia-the inability to mineralize bone, causing pain and weakness.
But while its effect on bones may be its most commonly known property, vitamin D also has many other subtle but very important functions. For example, it reduces the risk of diabetes and certain forms of cancer including ovary, breast, colon and prostate; it has been shown to improve hypertension; help psoriasis; and it drastically reduces the risk of heart disease. There are even some studies that link Alzheimer's disease, depression and multiple sclerosis to low vitamin D levels.
LEF: How critical is vitamin D for bone development in children?
Holick: In children, vitamin D is critically important. Without it, you'll have growth retardation, rickets and other skeletal deformities. In fact, rickets-once considered a disease from a hundred years ago-is on the rise. Why? There is not enough vitamin D in breast milk. Children in particular need to get more vitamin D.
LEF: How does the average person get a sufficient supply of vitamin D?
Holick: Sunlight is a crucial factor in maintaining proper levels of vitamin D. It's so important that our body-our skin-makes vitamin D when exposed to UVB radiation from the sun. Studies have shown that between 80% and 100% of the daily requirement for vitamin D comes simply from being in sunlight for about 15 minutes a day. One problem with that is, according to modern perception sun exposure is "bad" because of the risk of cancer. We stay indoors more often, wear sunscreen-things that don't allow us to get the proper amount of sun. The bottom line is, the public needs to be aware that adequate sunlight is an important part of good health.
LEF: Some people just don't have the ability to get adequate sunlight. Are there any foods that are rich in vitamin D?
Holick: Herein lies the problem-not many. Few foods actually contain any appreciable level of vitamin D naturally. Certain fish, like mackerel and salmon have some, as do oils from fish like cod, shark and tuna. Meats and egg yolks also have some vitamin D in them, but very little. Of course fortified milk has vitamin D, but the amounts in every container are highly variable-it simply might not have as much as the label says that it does. Besides that, in order to get a high enough level of vitamin D from milk you would have to drink about 10 glasses of it every day. That's a lot of milk.
LEF: What about tanning salons? Can your body make vitamin D from the light of a tanning bed?
Holick: Yes. Research has shown that certain types of low pressure lamps supply UVB radiation-which is exactly what you need to make vitamin D. But not all places use those, so you have to check first.
LEF: Who is most at risk for having a vitamin D deficiency?
Holick: While anyone who doesn't get enough exposure to sunlight or supplement their diet is at risk, studies from the Center for Disease Control (CDC) have shown that African Americans suffer from vitamin D deficiencies the most. As many as 42% of all African Americans ages 15 to 45 have low levels of vitamin D. In fact, they need five to ten times more exposure to make the same amount as a caucasian because the melanin is a sunscreen.
People who live at higher latitudes are also at high risk for being deficient. We just completed a study in Boston which showed that 36% of young adults ages 18 to 29 had insufficient levels of vitamin D. Our subject pool was that of local medical school students and hospital residents whose work or studies limit their exposure to sunlight. The bottom line here is, people-especially if they live in the north or spend most of their time indoors-need to find ways to get outside and replenish their levels of vitamin D.
LEF: How critical is vitamin D to the functioning of the immune system?
Holick: In terms of the immune system, vitamin D has extremely important, yet subtle effects. For example, studies have shown that people at higher latitudes have a higher rate of multiple sclerosis (MS)-possibly due to deficiency in vitamin D. In fact, several animal models have shown that with animals that can be induced with MS, they will not get MS if treated with vitamin D beforehand. Another study in Finland found that proper levels of vitamin D actually reduce the occurrence of Type 1 diabetes in children by about 80%.
LEF: How do vitamin D supplements fit into all of this?
Holick: Supplements can be an excellent source for vitamin D. The problem is, many people only take a multivitamin and if you're already low in vitamin D, your body needs more than the 400 IU it can get from a single multivitamin. While 400 IU may be fine for some people, those who do not have adequate sun exposure need more- about 1000 IU a day to satisfy their body's requirement for vitamin D. Some moderately deficient people may benefit from even higher daily doses, but I'd say, 2000 IU is the safe upper limit.
In extreme cases of vitamin D deficiency, some patients will need to get a prescription to take very high doses 50,000 IU/week for eight weeks. Why? If you are extremely deficient, taking 400 or even 1000 IU a day would be like putting in a gallon of gas into an empty car it won't get you very far. You need to fill up your tank to get the necessary amount.
LEF: Would you say that vitamin D is an underrated vitamin? Why?
Holick: Yes, it is definitely underrated-we simply take it for granted because it is a factor in our everyday lives. However, vitamin D is critically important for maintaining normal calcium levels in the blood and for bone health. Not only that, but we have found that if blood levels of vitamin D are good, it reduces the rate of colon cancer by about 50%. In short, vitamin D plays a crucial role in many metabolic functions as well as neural, cardiac and muscle function
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Dr Holick recommends a big weekly dose tp remedy a defieciency.
wallace Vitamin D: The Underrated Essential Researcher Michael F. Holick, M.D. shares his insight into this overlooked necessity
Despite being one of the most crucial components of healthy bones, a protector against cancer and diabetes, and a valuable component of the immune system, vitamin D has gone largely unnoticed in the public eye. To uncover some of the benefits of this underrated nutrient, Life Extension spoke with Dr. Michael F. Holick, a vitamin D researcher at Boston University's Medical Center and the author of The UV Advantage.
Life Extension Foundation: What is the role of vitamin D in the human body?
Dr. Michael Holick: Vitamin D has a multitude of effects, the principal of which is the development and maintenance of bone health from birth to death. In people who are vitamin D deficient, you will see a wide variety of bone disorders, such as osteoporosis and osteomalacia-the inability to mineralize bone, causing pain and weakness.
But while its effect on bones may be its most commonly known property, vitamin D also has many other subtle but very important functions. For example, it reduces the risk of diabetes and certain forms of cancer including ovary, breast, colon and prostate; it has been shown to improve hypertension; help psoriasis; and it drastically reduces the risk of heart disease. There are even some studies that link Alzheimer's disease, depression and multiple sclerosis to low vitamin D levels.
LEF: How critical is vitamin D for bone development in children?
Holick: In children, vitamin D is critically important. Without it, you'll have growth retardation, rickets and other skeletal deformities. In fact, rickets-once considered a disease from a hundred years ago-is on the rise. Why? There is not enough vitamin D in breast milk. Children in particular need to get more vitamin D.
LEF: How does the average person get a sufficient supply of vitamin D?
Holick: Sunlight is a crucial factor in maintaining proper levels of vitamin D. It's so important that our body-our skin-makes vitamin D when exposed to UVB radiation from the sun. Studies have shown that between 80% and 100% of the daily requirement for vitamin D comes simply from being in sunlight for about 15 minutes a day. One problem with that is, according to modern perception sun exposure is "bad" because of the risk of cancer. We stay indoors more often, wear sunscreen-things that don't allow us to get the proper amount of sun. The bottom line is, the public needs to be aware that adequate sunlight is an important part of good health.
LEF: Some people just don't have the ability to get adequate sunlight. Are there any foods that are rich in vitamin D?
Holick: Herein lies the problem-not many. Few foods actually contain any appreciable level of vitamin D naturally. Certain fish, like mackerel and salmon have some, as do oils from fish like cod, shark and tuna. Meats and egg yolks also have some vitamin D in them, but very little. Of course fortified milk has vitamin D, but the amounts in every container are highly variable-it simply might not have as much as the label says that it does. Besides that, in order to get a high enough level of vitamin D from milk you would have to drink about 10 glasses of it every day. That's a lot of milk.
LEF: What about tanning salons? Can your body make vitamin D from the light of a tanning bed?
Holick: Yes. Research has shown that certain types of low pressure lamps supply UVB radiation-which is exactly what you need to make vitamin D. But not all places use those, so you have to check first.
LEF: Who is most at risk for having a vitamin D deficiency?
Holick: While anyone who doesn't get enough exposure to sunlight or supplement their diet is at risk, studies from the Center for Disease Control (CDC) have shown that African Americans suffer from vitamin D deficiencies the most. As many as 42% of all African Americans ages 15 to 45 have low levels of vitamin D. In fact, they need five to ten times more exposure to make the same amount as a caucasian because the melanin is a sunscreen.
People who live at higher latitudes are also at high risk for being deficient. We just completed a study in Boston which showed that 36% of young adults ages 18 to 29 had insufficient levels of vitamin D. Our subject pool was that of local medical school students and hospital residents whose work or studies limit their exposure to sunlight. The bottom line here is, people-especially if they live in the north or spend most of their time indoors-need to find ways to get outside and replenish their levels of vitamin D.
LEF: How critical is vitamin D to the functioning of the immune system?
Holick: In terms of the immune system, vitamin D has extremely important, yet subtle effects. For example, studies have shown that people at higher latitudes have a higher rate of multiple sclerosis (MS)-possibly due to deficiency in vitamin D. In fact, several animal models have shown that with animals that can be induced with MS, they will not get MS if treated with vitamin D beforehand. Another study in Finland found that proper levels of vitamin D actually reduce the occurrence of Type 1 diabetes in children by about 80%.
LEF: How do vitamin D supplements fit into all of this?
Holick: Supplements can be an excellent source for vitamin D. The problem is, many people only take a multivitamin and if you're already low in vitamin D, your body needs more than the 400 IU it can get from a single multivitamin. While 400 IU may be fine for some people, those who do not have adequate sun exposure need more- about 1000 IU a day to satisfy their body's requirement for vitamin D. Some moderately deficient people may benefit from even higher daily doses, but I'd say, 2000 IU is the safe upper limit.
In extreme cases of vitamin D deficiency, some patients will need to get a prescription to take very high doses 50,000 IU/week for eight weeks. Why? If you are extremely deficient, taking 400 or even 1000 IU a day would be like putting in a gallon of gas into an empty car it won't get you very far. You need to fill up your tank to get the necessary amount.
LEF: Would you say that vitamin D is an underrated vitamin? Why?
Holick: Yes, it is definitely underrated-we simply take it for granted because it is a factor in our everyday lives. However, vitamin D is critically important for maintaining normal calcium levels in the blood and for bone health. Not only that, but we have found that if blood levels of vitamin D are good, it reduces the rate of colon cancer by about 50%. In short, vitamin D plays a crucial role in many metabolic functions as well as neural, cardiac and muscle function
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Of course taking vitamin D through various means may still not remedy the situation. Then I feel we are talking of an underlying trauma which needs to be dealth with. Body,mind, spirit!
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