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PTrain
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Ok, so I can't see an LLMD until January (no new patients until then). I cannot get any pain meds.

Didn't even bother to ask my regular doctor. He says to do "physical therapy".

Tylenol, Ibuprofen don't touch the pain. Especially when the tendonitis goes crazy. I found the only thing that helps is if I drink three or four strong beers (8 or 9% alcohol).

Not advocating this by any means, just wondering if anyone else out there has suggestions.

I'm wondering if the Beer is making it even worse. BTW, never drank much at all before this past six months or so...

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If you have to wait until January for your LLMD's appointment, can you call a LL ND Today? Right now? Or first thing tomorrow?

Whatever is going on, it's crystal clear that something is very wrong and you need to get it assessed ASAP.

I understand pain but you cannot afford even one more beer, regardless of what is causing your pain. There are better ways, even as you wait. But, if there is an infection, all the support methods will not be enough.

Please call a LL ND to tide you over until January. Get on the cancellation list for the LLMD.

There are so many ways that alcohol will make the situation much work. Please check out the threads below - but nothing is a substitute for a LL doctor.

I will say the fact that beer does not make you feel much worse is a puzzle. For most lyme patients, they just cannot tolerate even tiny amounts of alcohol and get severely hung over with even a few sips. But, there could be something besides lyme going on - or you could find soon the intolerance would clobber you big time if this is lyme.

Whatever, through, when the body is not operating at its best function, alcohol can kill brain cells, damage the liver and raise blood sugar through the roof. For anyone who is not feeling well, all that damage is intensified.

There are better ways to feel better, though.

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As many sleep and pain meds are toxic and hard on the liver and kidneys, here are some suggestions for sleep support that can safely nourish & calm the body:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89790

Topic: NATURAL SLEEP - Links to articles & supplements

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/24039

Topic: Looking for long term pain management
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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

Sections regarding self-care:

From page 27:

CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES MUST BE FOLLOWED IF LYME SYMPTOMS ARE TO BE PERMANENTLY CLEARED:

1. Not allowed to get behind in sleep, or become overtired.

2. No caffeine or other stimulants that may affect depth or duration of sleep, or reduce or eliminate naps.

3. Absolutely no alcohol!

. . . [more details at link above]
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Your doctor suggested Physical Therapy. Some types may help; some may hurt if this is lyme (NEVER let anyone twist your neck). Details below.

Even if you don't know for sure if you have lyme, it is best to find a LL PT if you proceed. It's really best to first find a LL doctor, though. Many LL NDs are also certified in Acupuncture and understand many safe ways to help relieve pain.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/95307

Topic: no aerobic exercise??

Safe exercise methods are discussed, and the reasons for such.

Excerpts:

Aerobics can damage the heart if done during active infection.

"Aerobic exercises are NOT allowed, not even low impact variety, until the patient has recovered." (Dr. B)

Other exercise is important. This thread includes PT and Rehab recommendations and suggestions for safe exercise. Cardiac and Adrenal support links are included.

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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

Joseph J. Burrascano, Jr., M.D.

Page 27 for SUPPORTIVE THERAPY & the CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES

Pages 31 - 32 for LYME DISEASE REHABILITATION and specifics in coordinating a rest / work-out schedule and Physical Therapy.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/2/13964?

Topic: How to find a LL ND (naturopathic doctor), acupuncturist, etc.

Includes how to find an ILADS-educated LL ND, an Acupuncturist, a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, etc.

Includes many articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links.

BODY WORK links are also included and you would use the same steps to find a LL PT, etc.
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Thanks Keebler. Appreciate the feedback. My symptoms have really intensified in the past few months - probably due to the alcohol. My doc offered an elbow brace for my tennis elbow today. yipee.

Pain is everywhere, all the time.
Just worn out here and grasping for something to help.

Thank you again for all of the information.

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GLUTEN - CELIAC Connection?

A trial run going gluten-free for a couple weeks may yield some good relief. If so, you should also be assessed for CELIAC but need to be on gluten to do so - unless you get a genetic test. However, the genes could test fine but an infection can cause celiac, so acquired celiac needs gluten in the stomach before certain testing.

I really hate to toss more complication you way but, in my case, going gluten-free brought at least a measurable level of pain reduction in a week or two. I later did test positive for genetic celiac. Who knew?

Just a few links about gluten:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/91781

Topic: Gluten Free Diets, help Lyme pain???

Food Intolerance- Man and Animals versus Gluten, Casein, Soy, and Corn

http://www.venturaceliac.org/glutenfree-basics.htm

Gluten Free Basics

http://www.celiacsolution.com/hidden-gluten.html

Hidden Sources Of Gluten
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Trying to cover all the bases, be sure to avoid all additives. Check all your labels. Google any terms you don't know.

Aspartame/Nutrasweet/Equal is an excito-toxin. Even a trace can set the emergency system of our poison detector system into high spin - for hours or even for days.

Severe pain, anxiety, depression and brain fog can result.

It raises the NMDA (excitatory and pain) receptors. It is poison to the nerves, especially in the brain. More so for lyme patients, for many reason, mostly as lyme's toxicity has tipped the boat already.

The liver has to work overtime to elimate toxins and this will also add to it being harder to sleep.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2384105525501310962#

EXCITOTOXINS: The Taste That Kills

VIDEO - lecture just over one hour by the author of the book, Russell Blaylock, MD (neurologist)

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BOOK - http://tinyurl.com/avq449

Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills - by M.D. Russell L. Blaylock

This is the 1997 edition

No customer reviews at this link but you can look inside the book and read (59 customer reviews) at the link for the 1996 edition of that book - http://tinyurl.com/as6je7

The customer reviews, in themselves, are an education.

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www.naturalnews.com/020550.html

Interview with Dr. Russell Blaylock on devastating health effects of MSG, aspartame and excitotoxins

September 27, 2006

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http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Blaylock-AspartameAndMultipleSclerosis-Neurosurgeon'sWarning.html

The Connection Between MS and Aspartame -- By Russell L. Blaylock, MD - Neurosurgeon - 6-7-2004
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STEVIA - is a sweetener from plants that is fine. As long as it's not one with additives. Truvia is NOT pure stevia.

Two of the best brands: SweetLeaf (liquid or powder); Trader Joe's Stevia Extract powder.

Just a tiny amount is very sweet.
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Not encouraging anyone to drink (discouraging it in fact, as we CANNOT afford to put any additional stress on our livers), but I do have WB and CD-57-confirmed Lyme and don't experience any bad reactions to alcohol.
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There are ways to reduce pain besides narcotics and other pain meds.

Take supplements that reduce inflammation and hypercoagulation.

Magnesium
Fish oil
Systemic enzymes, like Wobenzym

These things may not wipe out the pain, but should reduce it enough so that acetaminophen will help.

The Importance of Magnesium to Human Nutrition
by Michael B. Schachter M.D.
http://www.mbschachter.com/importance_of_magnesium_to_human.htm

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I went back and looked through your other posts, and found one listing your symptoms.
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/100174

Many of those symptoms look like low magnesium.
The Lyme bacteria uses up the magnesium in our cells, causing many problems.

Source Naturals, Ultra-Mag
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Ultra-Mag-120-Tablets/1415?at=0

Wishing you the best,
Carol

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Going gluten free reduced my pain level by one half. Also made pain meds more effective for a longer period of time. Taking milk thistle caps apart from other meds and supplements also makes my pain meds more effective, and reduces the urgency to take them. Sugar combined with gluten filled products can bring me to my knees with in 1 hour of eating them. Good luck, do what Keebler says and look for slow steady improvements.
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I would worry about not getting well from Lyme due to alcohol and about the gluten and the increased chance of getting YEAST which can also cause more pain.

So going down that path is not a good option.

Besides the things already listed, try curcumin, bromelain, or Rutozym for pain.

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I had terrible unbearable pain, abdomen, pelvis, legs and arm 24 hours a day. Tried tylenol three, morphin and nothing seemed to really work.

Now I am almost finished my third week of neurontin and lamictal (gradual increase over 4 week period).

The results are incredible, no pain anywhere and my ice cold body is now warm, no heating pads or electric blankets, my heating has been turned down to 73 instead of 78 and energy level really good.

Just a note I am also being treated by a very experience LLMD so hopefully the antibiotics will kill of the lyme and someday I won't need any of this medication.

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1999 CFS, 2002 CMV Myco pneumonia
1 year antibiotics on and off
2002 EBV, 2009 Positive Igenex Borellia and Babesia, Brain mri severe white matter disease
Monoclonal Gammopathy. On and off antibiotics since sept. March 9 started iv antibiotics

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Thank you everyone (Keebler, Onbam, Carol in PA, dyna3495, Lymetoo, and maps) for responding.

It is very helpful to communicate with people who are going through what I am going through or have been there and made it back!

I am kind of in Limbo as I can't see an LLMD until mid January. But will make the diet changes for sure and try some of the suggested supplements.

Excited about starting treatment as I am hearing goods things about Dr. Mc.
Again, thanks for the kind words and support!

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