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My son is on doxy 100mg BID for the past week and seemed to be herxing the last couple of days. He said last night when he urinated it was black. He is back to normal this morning. He is not nearly as flu-liek today after 2 days of flu-like symptoms. He had plenty of water during this time and is still on the max doses of Buhner's protocol along with his probiotics and regular supps, so none of that has changed.
So, is the dark urine a detoxing issue? He says there is no pain or any UTI symptoms.
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Yet another Babesia symptom. Dark Urine, Chills, Sweats, Fever.
Look it up.
I'll be he has low RBC count as well.
All the herbs in china are not going to help as much as a proper blood test and proper treatment with mepron or malrone, and a macrolide antibiotic.
You should get him to a doctor.
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I would seriously consider porphyria. Can seem like herxing but is a build up of heme pre-cursers in the body. A hallmark is dark urine. Certain drugs, supps and even food can make you sick. It can be serious.
Search on the archives for more info.
Terry I.m not a doctor
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the300club-- We have an appt with an LLMD out of sate, but cannot get in until 12/1
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They call babs "redwater fever." I knew someone who had this as their only symptom of it.
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- As TerryK suggests,
Porphyria should be considered. Dark purple is the most frequent color of urine and while that could appear black, there are also different colors of urine to different types of porphyria. But not all types cause a urine change of color but anytime there is a distinct change of color with no other clear explanation, porphyria should be considered.
His LLMD and his GP should be notified immediately. Certain meds may need to be stopped until further evaluation.
I have two kinds of genetic porphyria and I do very well at the top doses of herbs outlined in Buhner's book. In fact, they help.
I also did okay on doxy for short times until I just could not tolerate it due to rashes. I do not think (if memory serves) that doxy uses the C P-450 liver detox pathway - but I am not sure. That should be checked. Whatever drugs or OTC products (such as acetaminophen - cold meds) he may be taking that are on the "unsafe" list for porphyria should be considered.
But, porphrins can get too high from infection, too, so it may not have been any particular med or supplement but the infection itself and the liver's enzymes unable to handle it.
BETA CAROTENE is the best helper if porphyria is an issue. All this is best explained at the links here:
I suggest your son collect his urine if he starts and sees any color, collect what he can of the rest of it in a dark GLASS jar (or clear glass if you have no dark one, immediately - as soon as possible - turn off the bathroom light - and wipe the jar with tissue to dry it if needed and - cover the jar with two layers of aluminum foil. It must be totally covered from light. Put it in the fridge until it can be sent for testing.
Do not open to take a peak. It must stay out of light for a proper test to be done.
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Backing up a few days, try to recall his diet. Especially, how much red meat and how much other protein he may have consumed. Also, the level of carbohydrate and type (vegetables, which whole grains or if any simple ones, those, too).
If porphyria is connected, often red meat is hard to metabolize and could prompt an attack. And certain carbohydrates are necessary to help prevent porphrins from reaching unsafe levels.
Again, beta carotene is the very best helper but there are times when emergency care can safe a life with IV glucose or a heme product.
By now, I assume you've thought about all the foods that can color urine - but be sure to go back a couple days in time.
Good luck to you both as you figure this out. -
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1.What have I eaten recently?
2.What medications am I taking?
3.Have I been drinking enough water?
4.How do I feel? Is food causing your dark urine? If you don't notice any other health symptoms with dark urine, such as painful urination, fever, fatigue, then you'll want to look at some of the foods you've been eating recently. Some foods may cause a dark urine color:
�Asparagus makes dark yellow or even green urine. It is usually accompanied by a stronger urine odor.
�Beets can give you red urine. The urine will be a reddish tint. If your urine has more than a reddish tint, see a doctor immediately. You wan to make sure you do not have blood in your urine.
�Blackberries can make red urine or smoky brown urine as well
Keep in mind that food coloring in candy and other foods can also cause dark urine. Black licorice can make your urine dark; you�ve probably noticed how black licorice makes your stool green.
Are medications causing your dark urine? Your urine can turn darker when you are taking certain medications as well. If you have dark urine, make a list of the medications you are currently taking. You'll need this list, and so will your doctor, to help rule out drugs that could be causing your dark urine.
Is illness causing your dark urine? There are, of course, other more serious causes of dark urine, such as a urinary tract infection, bladder infection, kidney infection, and others. These can cause blood to enter your urine as well as infected materials. Sometimes with these you'll notice a cloudy dark urine as well. Check to see if you notice any other health symptoms such as painful urination and fever or fatigue. If you think you can rule out foods you've eaten, then see a doctor immediately. At the very least, you doctor can perscribe medicine to treat a urinary tract infection, or you may find you have a more serious issue to treat. If you urine is a clear dark brown urine, see a doctor immediately. This can be a sign of a liver disease such as cirrhosis of the liver or hepatitis.
When in doubt, it's best to err on the side of caution when it comes to dark urine. Your health is too important to delay seeing a doctor. If you act quickly, more serious health issues may be preventable.
Obviously, one of the biggest concerns with dark urine is dehydration
Side Effects of Doxy 200 - for the Consumer Doxy 200 All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Doxy 200:
Loss of appetite; nausea; sensitivity to sunlight; vomiting.
Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Doxy 200: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); bloody stools; chest pain; dark urine; decreased urination; fever, chills, or sore throat; moderate to severe sunburn; severe diarrhea; severe or persistent headache; stomach pain or cramps; throat irritation; trouble swallowing; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual joint pain; unusual tiredness; vaginal irritation or discharge; vision changes; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
I hope hes feeling better...
Steve
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If he's on the Buhner protocol and is taking high doses of Knotweed... the Resveratrol can cause dark urine (usually bright orange/greenish color)
How is the Buhner protocol coming for you guys?
I'm in the 5th month and at about 90% health.
It's been a bumpy ride but his herbs have helped me tremendously (I'm on herbs only)
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