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feelbetter
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I always feel dizziness and feel my vision is jumping,up and down.

Its difficult for me to read..

who has this weird symptom?

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My daughter has this due to damage to her vestibular system (inner ear). It was documented by multiple ENGs. The visual system and the balance system work together. She can no longer read because it makes her "dizzy" and sick to her stomach.

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A condition called "Nystagmus" can cause your vision to sort of jump.

Nystagmus can be the result of raised ICP and your doctor could see if your eyes are moving by doing a simpmle eye exam - i.e.; follow my finger..

Not saying that is what you have..but I had that jumping eye thing and it was Nystagmus from raised ICP. TG

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Hi trigal2,

This is what my daughter has, due to the vestibular damage. What is ICP? Thanks!

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Hey pepperspeck; Sorry.. ICP refers to Intracranial Pressure.

I have/had that due to another (unrelated to lyme)neuro condition.

Does your daughter feel as if she has motion sickness most of the time with this? It is such a frustrating thing to have!

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I know there is a condiction called Nystagmus,I went to do eye exam before,but everything look normal from the outside and I just feel my vision is jumping inside my eye..

very weird,have done lots of ct,mri too but all normal.

could this be lyme or co-infection related?

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Nystagmus is right. I have had this . Also had eyes go left and right really fast.
The room goes up and down really fast when I have had this. All I can do is close eyes and lay down and wait for it to pass. I hate it. Has gotten better with treatment.

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For me the Nystagmus was secondary to Arnold Chiari Malformation and post operative brain swelling/meningitis.

I never had it with lyme but would make sense one could get it from lyme,

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CHIARI MALFORMATION
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Not all doctors are current enough with the information to assess this.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArnoldChiari_malformation

ArnoldChiari Malformation

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http://www.asap.org/

American Syringomyelia & Chiari Alliance Project

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http://www.conquerchiari.org/index.htm

Chiari & Syringomyelia Foundation

Chiari Malformation (Arnold-Chiari) is a serious neurological disorder where the bottom part of the brain, the cerebellum, descends out of the skull and crowds the spinal cord, putting pressure on both the brain and spine and causing many symptoms.

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http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/disorders/central/cerebellar/chiari.html

Chiari Malformation (mainly type I)

By Timothy C. Hain, MD. - November 16, 2009

Excerpts:

. . . In our otoneurology practice in Chicago, it is extremely rare for us to refer patients for surgery. Rather, we generally make arrangements to follow people on a yearly basis.

In our opinion, lumbar punctures, epidural blocks and related procedures that might cause a spinal fluid leak should be avoided whenever practical in persons with known Chiari malformation. The reason to avoid these procedures is that they may worsen the Chiari. . . .

Physical therapy and chiropractic manipulation of the neck does not help the Chiari malformation. In fact, it may make matters worse. We have no objection to massage.

Avoidance of activities that precipitates symptoms (such as straining, athletic activity requiring straining or involving forceful movements of the head on shoulders) is often useful.

As examples, we would suggest that persons with Chiari malformations not lift heavy weights, or play football. . . .

. . . In our opinion, the Chiari malformation is a condition that should be monitored on a once/year basis by a neurologist, and best of all, by a specialized neurologist -- an otoneurologist.

The reason for this is that while a neurosurgeon may ultimately operate on a patient with a Chiari, the huge majority of patients do not need brain surgery for the Chiari. . . .

- Full page at link above.

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On the other hand, surgery REALLY helped this little boy:
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Medical Mystery: The Boy Who Couldn't Sleep

5-minute VIDEO: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6715136

ARTICLE: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Sleep/medical-mystery-boy-sleep/story?id=4828035

By Andrea Canning and Mellen OKeefe - May 10, 2008 - ABC News

Excerpt:

. . ."The brain literally is squeezed into the spinal column. What happens is you get compression, squeezing, strangulating of the brain stem, which has all the vital functions that control sleep, speech, our cranial nerves, our circulatory system, even our breathing system," Savard said. . . .

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/100089

Steroid thread

trigal2 posted this:

Regarding Chiari Malformation; I am unfortuately a bit of an expert in this condition.

I have chiari malformation and it does not require any special imaging beyond an MRI and an CINE Flow to diagnose. A standard MRI of the cervical and brain is what is used to diagnose.

Some doctors will do an MRI w/ contrast to see if a syrinx has developed as a result of the blocked CSF flow.

An MRI of the cervical and brain will show whether or not the cerebellar tonsils herniate through the forum magnum. A CINE Flow will show whether the CSF flow is blocked as a result of the herniation and this is what typically determines if one is a candidate for surgery.

This is the standand protocol for diagnosing chiari malformation.

One of the main reasons that chiari malformation is "missed" on an MRI is not because it will not show the herniation but because most radiologists are trained to only diagnose cm if the herniation is 5mm or more (this measurement is an old standard for diagnosing).

WHen in fact one could have a herniation less then 5mm and still be symptomatic with restriced CSF flow but fail to get a proper diagnosis. This is why seeing a neuosurgeon who specializes in cm is critical for proper diagnosis.

The goal of surgery is to help restore the flow of CSF.

I recently underwent brain and neck surgery to correcet my malformation and as a result of surgical complications had to go on 4 months of steroids.

Thing to remember with steroids is that they can also MASK infection - which they did in my case and now that I am off steroids my lyme symptoms are returning. My guess is the lyme was with me the entire time but was masked by the steriods.

If you need more information on chiari the best resource is asap.org.

(trigal2)

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Also another post by a lyme patient who also had Chiari.

www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=648247&page=4

We know lyme can cause menegitis and swelling of the brain but it will not cause Chiari Malformation. . . .

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dmc posted:

look into http://www.uppercervicalcare.com

Montel Williams has also done this & posted testimonial on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiOtb6yM_ow
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Nystagmus is also a reaction of the inner ear to toxins from infections, strong medicines or the environment.

The inner ear makes the eyes jump, so to speak.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiologic_nystagmus

Physiologic Nystagmus

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http://www.vestibular.org/vestibular-disorders/symptoms.php

VESTIBULAR SYMPTOMS (That also frequently go along with lyme & other tick-borne infections)

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Specifically for LYME patients - lots of details about ears and what can help:

of the way down page one, there are lots of LIVER LINKS (liver support helps the inner ear and that can help the eyes:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS
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Nystagmus - in a particular direction - is also one distinguishing feature of Superior Canal Dehiscence, a problem with one of the circular bones in the ear.

ABC news VIDEO - nine minutes - on YOU TUBE:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6vAkdGw8T4

SCDS - The Musician who heard too much

Adrian McLeish, musician

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4436348&page=1

Superior Canal Dehiscence

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http://www.scdssupport.org/

Superior Canal Dehiscence Support - see the Links page & the Forum pages, too.
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