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feelbetter
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Im thinking go to both LLMD and naturaphth doctor.

naturaphth doctor can focus on my detox and llmd can prescribe the medication.

Anyone goes to both? how do you feel? please share with me,thanks.

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I think it's a good idea. Many LLMDs know NDs to whom they can refer you. Most LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

I've never been able to do more than a couple consults with either LLMD or LL ND - however . . .

it is best to see ONLY a ND who is ILADS-educated an lyme literate. Regular NDs just can't know all the ways that lyme changes a body. I wasted YEARS and thousands of dollars on a few ND who said they knew about lyme. They did not.

Then, finally, an ILADS-educated LL ND emerged in town. A world of difference. I'd spent all my money already by then but even a couple consults were very valuable to me.

Now, in my fee range is a regular ND whom I see every month or two. She's brilliant enough to know she does not know everything (or much) about lyme. Still, she helps me in many other ways and never puts me down just keeps acknowledging the complexity of my case and offers what she can.

So, if you don't have access to a LL ND, if you have one who is centered and not afraid to say they don't know it all, they can offer you some help -- but you will need to stay a couple steps ahead in your homework on most matters.

For instance, a LL acupuncturist KNOWS that many late stage lyme patients can't take the full time for needles at first. They carefully assess (in light of lyme's ability to be overwhelming) before deciding treatment time for the needles.

Many NDs are also L.Ac.s (acupuncturist) but not necessarily, and visa versa. Both L.Ac.s and NDs are trained in herbal support but their education differs in a few ways.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/2/13964?

Topic: How to find an ILADS-educated LL ND (naturopathic doctor), L.Ac. (acupuncturist), etc.

Includes how to find an ILADS-educated LL ND, a L.Ac. (Acupuncturist), a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, etc. DO, DC

Includes many professional links, articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links.

BODY WORK links are also included.
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[ 12-12-2010, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]

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My LLMD is a naturopath. In Oregon Naturopaths have prescription rights. Hes been very helpful. I think for the money though-- you could figure out natural detoxification just online, or on this message board. I wouldnt spend the extra money.

Also, on acupuncture-- I have always taken the full amount of time, not just 1 minute. So we should note that that was your individual experience.

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I think it's a good idea, especially if you have detox issues and your LLMD is not good with detox. LLND's have a lot to offer. That said, I'd look for an ILADS trained LLND because ND's who are not ILADS trained are not very well equipped to help the lyme patient. Just my opinion and experience.

ahhhh Keebler. Thanks for mentionng the time factor for accupuncture. Acupuncture always makes me feel worse. I stopped after awhile because I could not tolerate feeling so much worse for so long after each session.

I would often have to call them into the room because the treatment would become unbearable. They eventually changed the needles to children's needles but never varied the time unless I asked for the needles to be removed. I'll bet it was the length of time that is the issue for me.

Terry

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I think it's a great idea to have both docs on your team. I totally agree with Keebler and TerryK.

I haven't done acupuncture in a long time, but when I did I didn't have a problem with the full treatment (I just didn't continue because the benefits didn't hold long enough for me.). It's interesting to know what was said above though.

Best to you,
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If you can afford it then I agree that 2 docs can be helpful.

Besides detox and accupuncture other areas an LLMD may not have enough time or knowledge of include nutrition and supplements. Many tick borne patients have various nutritional issues -- could be a direct result of long-term illness or from prescription meds such as antacids.

And it defintely helps to have a knowledgeable 2nd doc to discuss treatment options with.

Bea Seibert

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I presently go to both.

The naturopath dabbles a little in Lyme also, but I didn't feel confident enough and was not willing to take any shortcuts after suffering for so long. He is very good at everything else.

Personally, it is very expensive, but at what cost do you put your health? I don't think I would change a thing to do it over again, except see a lyme doc sooner [Smile]

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My son goes to an LLMD and he and I see an ND for muscle testing. She is not LL... or ILADS trained. I do believe she knows what she is accurate in her diagnosis.

I have done acupuncture myself and for my dog who goes lame from lyme... even after 3 months of doxy. My dog's acupuncturist recommended one for me... and my son refuses to try it.

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Be sure to check your insurance coverage to see if they cover any of the ND expenses. My insurance covers all but $15 for some ND's but when I went for a consult with an ND for prolotherapy they wouldn't cover anything because prolotherapy is specifically excluded.

momlyme - good point about muscle testing. I use it a lot and find it helpful even though my herbalist is not an expert regarding lyme disease. I direct her in what I need testing for and she also uncovers some things on her own. We do pretty well together.

Terry

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Terry has a good point. Also remember that some insurance companies cover acupuncture for specific pain diagnoses. If covered, any L.Ac. you choose also has to be a provider under that plan.

With any kind of insurance coverage for NDs or L.Ac.s, it seems to revolve around the specific diagnosis. Migraine usually tops that list. Back pain is also often covered for the few plans that include this kind of treatment.
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TerryK - I got that tip from this forum. Glad to pass good information along. 3rd best thing I did for my son's recovery.

#1 - Finding Lymenet forum
#2 - Finding Awesome Pediatric LLMD
#3 - Muscle Testing

2 & 3 and many more would never have happened without Lymenet.

Thanks to all who help each other!

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what the muscle testing for? how does muscle testing help for the lyme disease?
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This is a video explains muscle testing (also called Kinesiology) better than I can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBbso1JJgcA&

Watch related videos or do a search of your own.

Helps see what supplements are working (or not working) with your body. Important to be well hydrated and have a good practitioner you can trust.

Good tip in the video on how to screen the person who will be doing your muscle testing.

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