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FYRECRACKER
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my doc has added HCL push to my nutrient IV one week and the next week she adds Hydrogen Peroxide to the mix. We alternate weeks.

I HAVE PAIN with the IV's. It's not from it being administered "wrong"....I think its because my circulation in my arms is soooo terrible.

I have no idea if I should be continuing this or not. Anybody have any thoughts that might help?

And by pain I mean my entire BICEP to my front shoulder aches, like a muscle spasm. it ceased once i sat up and wasn't laying down. The administering doctor (not my lyme doc) seems a little baffled by it also.

He said if it burns, we should not do it, but nothing is swelling up in my arm that i'm aware of. I have a hard time monitoring my pain levels, i can't withstand a lot. I'm just not aware of what the crap these two additions are doing to help me???????

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correction: I CAN withstand a lot of pain.


My friend is concerned the HP or HCL will damage my vein walls. Should I be concerned about my Lyme Docs methods?

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I would NOT do the peroxide. No way. Not sure I would do HCL either.. but I don't know as much about that one.

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why do u say no to the peroxide?

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I did peroxide for several months and it IS painful. They explained why at the time, I think because it's a little thicker then other substances that are put into an IV. I know what you mean about the pain. I had to keep stopping the IV because it was so painful. I eventually got a port so I could continue peroxide treatment. It does not hurt through a port. I do think there is probably benefit from peroxide treatment, however it did not help me at all. I didn't notice anything good or bad from it.
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thanks rachelle, I think I will tell my doctors to stop administering that. The Nutrients I do just fine with and i think they are helping my energy levels. I just don't like the idea of putting peroxide and acid into my veins. I guess I should've done more research before saying yes.

Makes me doubt my docs intelligence. and that is not a great feeling.

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Did you ever see what happens when you put peroxide on a cut in your skin?

The fizzing, bubbling as it reacts with the blood?

Too harsh to put in your veins!

One is not even supposed to keep using peroxide on a cut- it slows the healing.

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http://www.sram.org/1101/charlesfarr.html

"Prudence dictates that informed, scientifically trained practitioners view IV H2O2 skeptically. Extracellular H2O2 in blood is rapidly broken down to oxygen and water by the enzyme catalase, which results in the formation of dangerous bubbles. Any intact H2O2 that comes into contact with a cell is not likely to enter the cell in an orderly fashion, but rather to damage the cell membrane because the molecule vigorously reacts with lipids. Thus it is unlikely that H2O2 given intravenously would have any significant intracellular role, which is where it would need to be in order to fulfill Farrs claims. Rather, it would result in the formation of oxygen bubbles in the bloodstream and in the destruction of cells, exactly as have been reported. 37

Farr claimed that his regimen was safe because the H2O2 was sufficiently diluted. But even with a regimen that reportedly had followed [the] well-established protocols of Farrs organization, the IOMA, a woman died in 2004 shortly after a single infusion; the coroner subsequently reported that her death had been due to hemolytic crisis and gas emboli.7 Thus Farrs claim of safety cannot be accepted as reliable.

In conclusion, the information that oxidative medicine practitioners rely upon as the basis for their prescribing intravenous hydrogen peroxide is wholly inadequate to justify such treatment. "

The Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine (SRAM) is the only peer-reviewed journal devoted exclusively to objectively analyzing the claims of "alternative medicine."

The purpose of the Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine is to apply the best tools of science and reason to determine whether hypotheses are valid and treatments are effective. It will reject no claims because it fits, or fails to fit, some paradigm. It will simply seek justified answers to two questions: "Is it true?" and "Does this treatment work?"

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quote:
Originally posted by FYRECRACKER:
why do u say no to the peroxide? [/QB]

It's DANGEROUS!

GOOGLE IT.

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Hubby had numerous hydrogen peroxide IV's while he was still undiagnosed. He never had any problems -- no pain or anything. The only thing that hurt was his pocketbook -- no effects from the IV's good or bad.

Personally I think the IV's may be somewhat helpful for viruses but do not believe they will do anything for lyme, babesia or bartonella. They just aren't strong enough.

As to the hydrochloric acid -- never did that by IV. But hubby takes supplemental betaine HCL with meals -- he is deficient in stomach acid. This can cause gastritis if you are severely deficient and also the stomach acid is protection against G.I. parasites and helps break down protein in food.

A much cheaper method of using hydrogen peroxide is to add it to bath water. It will be absorbed thru the skin. The J clinic in Kansas discussed this in his books.

Bea Seibert

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yes, i've googled it... and now i don't trust my lyme doc. she has a lot of explaining to do. perhaps i need to look into finding someone else.

of course now that i question my lyme doc, that means i question my original judgement. i guess it's a learning process. but GEEZ....shouldn't she KNOW this is too dangerous?????

She isn't even benefiting from the cost of IV's. She is in montana, I'm 10 hours away and having a different ND administer these.

I suppose I will continue with the nutrient IV's for a couple more weeks and compare the experiences, and then go from there.

Makes me not like her very much right now.

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Hydrogen Peroxide is already in our bodies, in food we eat, in rain that falls...etc...it's natural. This isn't some foreign substance. I personally don't think it's dangerous if done properly. Where I was getting my peroxide treatments was a very professional and widely known clinic. I don't think your ND is so far off suggesting you try this treatment. My Lyme Doctor at the time who suggested this treatment for me is a very well known Lyme Doctor. I wouldn't be so quick to give up on your ND, just make sure you do your own research and make your own judgment and decision (instead of leaving it up to your doctor) before proceeding with other treatments in the future.
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thanks rachelle, i did an IV this week without it in there and it didnt burn at all.

Both the ND's working with me on this (one LLND, one not)said that it must be causing pain and burning due to my system just not being able to handle the dose or drip rate. my circulation is absolutely terrible, so i may revisit this in much lower doses at another time.

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At the clinic I was going to for peroxide IV's, many other people too couldn't handle the peroxide due to the pain. I think it has more to do with the peroxide than your system. Most people ended up having to get ports (like me), because it's just a tough thing to do through your arm.
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