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anjiell
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i have a question about rife machines.if you have metal like rods in spine or pacemaker or any metal implants are rife machines safe?i have a type of implant that is safe for all mri machines except one type which always has to be reviewed by radiologist. if anyone uses this machine with metal implants let me know.
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A search with "metal rods" or "metal plates" took me nowhere. However, detail is very clear about pacemakers.

From a quick look through Google for: "rife machine" pacemaker

Here are a few search results from several links:

A Rife machine should never by used by a person who wears a heart pacemaker.

Don't use a Rife machine if you have a pacemaker or any other electronic device installed inside you

It is not recommended for persons with a pacemaker to undertake this therapy

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http://www.rifemachine.us/questions.htm

A Rife machine should never by used by a person who wears a heart pacemaker ...
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Okay, there are a few search results from: "rife machine" "metal implant"

One:

www.sanovivstore.com/rife-machine.html

. . . DO NOT use ANY Electrotherapy Device, if you have a Cardiac Pacemaker, Internal Defibrillator or Metal Implant.
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To explore other options:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/2/13964?

Topic: How to find an ILADS-educated lyme literate (LL) professionals in these areas:

Naturopathic doctor (ND); Acupuncturist (L. Ac.), a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, . . .

. . . Holistic MDs, and also Doctors of Osteopath (DO) and Doctors of Chiropractic (DC), etc.

Includes many professional links, articles and books on complementary / integrative methods . . . all by LL authors.
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anjiell
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keeble,you are so good with questions although i am kind of disappointed to hear i kind of had a feeling about the metal thing.i was hoping to try the rife although i do not have a pacemaker i have to coils in my ovarian veins ,which there is one type of mri i cannot go through.i guess i would have email one of the suppliers. thanks so much.
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Well, if you don't have a pacemaker, you might ask Dan Bergy, Metallic Blue or Bryan Rosner (author of book below). It may be the metal implant could have some wiggle room, depending upon where it would be and all the particulars.

If you pursue questions, and one says it's okay, I would still ask so that you get a wide range of replies from those who truly have enough information.

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RIFE MACHINE

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/99081?

Topic: Exactly what is a Rife machine?

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http://www.lymebook.com/lyme-disease-rife-machines-bryan-rosner

Book: Lyme Disease and Rife Machines by Bryan Rosner

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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Rosner%2C+rife&aq=f

A cross search for videos at YouTube for: Rosner, rife

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/

Lyme-Rife group on Yahoo

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88778

RIFE Support Discussion Thread

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/86510?

Topic: RIFE Frequency List:

METALLlC BLUE - 4 October, 2009

Frequencies from his personal research - he spent months gathering what he considers the most effective frequencies.
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I just copied your question and link to your thread over on page 26 of the RIFE Support Discussion Thread.

Hopefully, you will get some more specific replies either here or there:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/88778/26?
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thanks so much!
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As long as they have nothing to do with electrical regulatioin (Pacemaker), you'll be fine. You "can" Rife.

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I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.

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It's nice to get some clarification on this. Another reply for you from over at the discussion thread:
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D Bergy replies:

Either way you multiply, they are still harmonics.

Personally, other than a pace maker, I would not be too concerned about metal objects in the body. If it is in a critical place, that is different.

The power levels we are working with are not enough to cause any kind of heating. An MRI uses far more power so heating may be a possibility. There also is the magnetic part of it if you have any ferrous metals, that could be a problem.

If there is not a potential electrical interference problem, I do not see how an implant can cause a problem, but as a precaution, always begin with short runs.

Dan
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If you're using a Doug Coil machine, which is much more powerful than other machines, I'd be careful around the metal.

The Doug coil penetrates much further and will heat the metal to temperatures that will burn severely.

The guy who made and sold me my Doug coil told me not to hold the center of the coil over any body parts that have metal due to the heating danger.

As an experiment, with a pair of pliers, I held a paper clip in the center of the coil and it got RED HOT! And I mean "red hot" literally.

The manufacturer told me for areas that might have metal, hold the tread of the coil (instead of the center hole) up to that area to avoid it reaching dangerous temperatures.

One day I coiled over my stomach without taking off my belt. The tread of the coil was an inch or so away from the belt buckle. When I took the coil off after 3 minutes and sat up, my belt buckle made contact with my skin and MAN, was it hot. I had to pull it off immediately to avoid getting a 1st degree burn.

Given this experience, I'd be afraid to use a Doug coil if I had any metal prosthetic joints in my body.

I have staples inside from hernia operations, and I'm a little uncomfortable about those. I try not to get too close to that area, even with the tread of the coil.

With any other machine but the Doug coil, you don't have to worry about the heating problem. Those machines aren't powerful enough to cause it.

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So glad I came across this post. I have a pacemaker and was considering a rife machine.
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I recently had a metal wire in my finger that went through the bone and I used rife with no problem.

6 weeks later I had to have 2 metal pins put in the bone temporarily. Using rife with those was very painful. If I wrapped my whole hand in aluminum foil I did not have the pain. I had my herbalist use muscle testing and she advsed that I not use rife because she felt the wires would move. Around that time, one of the pins started to come through the top side of my finger (ouch!).

I had the pins out last week but I have permenant metal anchors now. A few days ago I used rife for the first time since I had the pins out and I had no pain at all this time.

I believe the pins. wire and anchors were each made of different materials. I know for sure that the pins and anchors are made of different materials even though they are both metal.

Just a guess but I think it may depend on the material and how much material you have in your body.

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It may also depend on the type of rife you are using. My machine is electro magnetic (EMEM). Other machines like the GB4000 use electrical current. I think that may be entirely different.

Terry

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well i may just stay away from the area where my coils are.the good thing is i can go through most mri except for one kind which i imagine is a higher power machine,and again many smaller hospitals do not even have that type of mri.thanks for everyone for the replies.
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quote:
Originally posted by TerryK:
I recently had a metal wire in my finger that went through the bone and I used rife with no problem.

6 weeks later I had to have 2 metal pins put in the bone temporarily. Using rife with those was very painful. If I wrapped my whole hand in aluminum foil I did not have the pain. I had my herbalist use muscle testing and she advsed that I not use rife because she felt the wires would move. Around that time, one of the pins started to come through the top side of my finger (ouch!).

I had the pins out last week but I have permenant metal anchors now. A few days ago I used rife for the first time since I had the pins out and I had no pain at all this time.

I believe the pins. wire and anchors were each made of different materials. I know for sure that the pins and anchors are made of different materials even though they are both metal.

Just a guess but I think it may depend on the material and how much material you have in your body.

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It may also depend on the type of rife you are using. My machine is electro magnetic (EMEM). Other machines like the GB4000 use electrical current. I think that may be entirely different.

Terry

Hello,

I'm dealing against Lyme disease, me and my family. I tried abs, buhner, doug coil... I'm still stuck.

I saw a comment from you about the EMEM machine? Does it worked? Could you give me your opinion of it?

Any info would be usefull.

Best regards.

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