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I have literally not posted here for years. First, because it was so bad, and then, because it's been so good!

But I feel that I need to let the Lyme community know what we have done that has worked so well for us. Is it a CURE? I can't say.

Backstory: daughter unknowningly bitten 9 years ago at age 13, no rash; onset of 24/7 migraine level headache; constant fatigue, constant nausea, extreme cognitive deficits, heart pain, lung pain, episodes of tremors and partial seizures. Had to drop out of school. 20+ doctors misdiagnosed her. Took 9 months to a diagnosis that actually fit the symptoms.

Years of orals, homeopathics, months of hyperbaric, alternative medicine, RIFE, ozone steam therapy, etc etc etc did not carry the day. Finally we got her on IV Rocephin for 18 months at age 17. Gave her her life back, but did not make her well. She had a life again, but still suffered. Graduated HS by our homeschooling, but not well enough for college.

A guy from Medsonix saw my LymeSucks.org website. Offered to treat her with the Medsonix machine, which is in Vegas (and Naples FL). It's audio waves through a transducer. It's FDA approved for increasing blood flow, reducing pain, and bringing down inflammation.

I kind of forgot about the call for a few months, but as her "trend" continued on a downhill trajectory and we had done everything under the sun and had nothing left, we went for it. We got her to Vegas 1X month for a whole year. I didn't tell very many people about it because Lymies are broke and I didn't want to get peoples' hopes up without a long run.

Long story short, it's a miracle! She could not work when she started Medsonix due to pain and fatigue, and we had to drive her from LA to Vegas for treatments. Two months into it, she was able to take an evening college class. That led to an internship and a full-time job (unthinkable!) at something she's really interested in! Her energy is normal, the headache is no longer a player, she has a great social life, and drives BY HERSELF to Vegas every 4-5 weeks... that's four hours driving, then takes treatments for four hours, then drives four hours back, showers, changes, and goes OUT for the evening! HELLO??? MY daughter is doing that???

It has no bad side effects for her. There's too much to say here, but the whole thing is on my website. I don't know where we would be if I had not been contacted by them. I am happy to talk to anyone who wants to talk to me; but I'm on the west coast and I'm a working person. Email is best, at least for starters. I am not in the employ in any way with Medsonix. And BTW, they are WONDERFUL people! I'm just reporting on the best thing that has ever happened to us, once Lyme was on board.
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That is wonderful, orion!! Thanks for posting!! It's good to see you! [hi]

I guess buying one of those machines is out of the question??

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Not at all, Lymetutu, if you have something in the vicinity of 150K to spend!! But there is talk of a "home version" that would be within the realm of some people...
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Wow, congratulations!

Any info on the future of medsonix? Is it going to become more widely available?

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Interesting... Too bad they don't just broadcast it for everyone via all the cell phone towers...

"Medsonix uses low frequency sound waves which is the other end of the spectrum. Research has shown that it exhibits a very profound effect on pain and inflammation throughout the entire body.

As one sits in a comfortable chair and relaxes, the entire body is being bathed by the acoustic vibrations. Any and all areas of inflammation and pain in the body are being effected at once, noninvasively. "

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FYI - I just read the Lymesucks.org website about Medsonix treatment, and they said they have clinics in Naples, Fl and Arlington, VA.
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The latest I have heard is that there's going to be five of them coming to the SoCal area. I have to find out more specifics. Anyone interested in the answer to that question now should go to their site, www.medsonix.com and call or put in a query.
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How much does it really cost? Says about the same as a co-pay.
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So happy for your daughter!!
Interesting stuff.

Here's an interview w/the founder and some others; they say they did a double-blind study as well:

http://pharmaleaders.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=283&video_id=24

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please....how much does it really cost???

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they didn't pick up when i called...but i really want to knwo how much this costs

i hope they call me back

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lpkayak,
If they don't call you back, call them again. They are not in the office full-time. The Vegas office is just one person, AL, the inventor, and he comes and goes in proportion to the people coming in for treatments. The Vegas office is kind of a "showroom" as well as a treatment center. I suspect that the Naples office is more regular.

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This caught my eye, as I am always looking for help for my son, who has chronic pain. I read the medsonix website, then the lymesucks.org one.

If you go to the following link, you'll be able to read about this treatment:

http://agoodlife.typepad.com/lymesucks/2010/02/medsonix-and-lyme.html

The cost is discussed at the bottom of the blog:
"Mention Silver or Bev Feldman's name, or LymeSucks.org, they will give you a substantial discount: normally a package of 4 treatments is $399, but for you it will be $299."

I am in no way affiliated with this product or clinic - just trying to help my dear son.

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I forgot to add that this cost was at the Las Vegas, NV clinic. Didn't mention it for Naples, FL.
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quote:
Originally posted by apljack:
How much does it really cost? Says about the same as a co-pay.

The one in Naples, they recommend 10 treatments in 10 days for $499.

They discount it for people with Lyme. For other ailments it costs more.

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ok-they called me back and i am more confused.

-no place in VA

-first he said 4 tx for 299

-then he said two long tx (1 1/2 hrs) in two days because of lyme detox

-then he said if only for my osteo arthritis more money

-i know i am foggy and talk funny but he was in a hurry and upset with me

-i told him i HAD lyme but didn't know if i still had it and wanted the tx for inflammation from arhtitis i know i have...and he said that would be more money-but he sounded like he only goes by what you say-you don't have to prove if you have lyme

-but there was no mention of a 4 hr tx once a month...

so i am basically confused

i wonder how long the tx is in naples the 10 in 10 for 499

my brother lives down there-i guess i could do it

VA was what i was excited about...its so close to me now

anyway-too tired to deal with this now...painful day

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They give discounts to Lyme patients. Just say you have Lyme. The treatment is the same.
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I need to hear from more people other than the ones associated with the Lymesucks.org before I really believe this is not another thing capatalizing on lyme patients. That seems to be the only story actually floating around re: progress with this and lyme.

The Naples FL one seems to be giving out their own treatment advice that the owner from Vegas doesn't seem too thrilled about---10 days is ridiculous, no one can stick around for that. He said he was going to contact them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dawn in VA:
So happy for your daughter!!
Interesting stuff.

Here's an interview w/the founder and some others; they say they did a double-blind study as well:

http://pharmaleaders.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=283&video_id=24

They mentioned a double blind needs to be performed, but I see nothing actually mentioning that it was done.
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Well, here is my story. First of all, I went to Medsonix, Naples, FL. it is owned and operated by Linda and Gary Gordon. Both good people, IMO.

First let me say that I live within driving distance of this facility in the Winter months...so the 10 days in a row was not so difficult for me to do.

They have a pkg for Lyme patients that is 10 days, 1/2 hour treatment for 499.00. Medsonix was developed to treat other conditions, not necessarily Lyme disease.

It just so happens that they found that lyme patients did see benefits. However, unlike other ailments, lyme patients typically do not respond as rapidly as, say, arthritic patients, or migraine sufferers.

They are very clear that this IS NOT a cure for lyme. Everyone differs on how long the benefits 'hold'.

From my own experience, I went for 10 days at the end of December through the first week of January of this year.

Before treatment, I could not tolerate any stimulation for over 3 1/2 years. NO PUBLIC PLACES without feeling like I would pass out, tachycardia, etc..

My first Medsonix session, I could barely sit in the chair for a half hour. I could not tolerate the movement of the two other people in the room with me...very overstimulated.

After the 4th session, I herxed, bad. In bed, felt like my eye was being pulled out, horiffic head pain, my typical herx. This lasted 2 days and I did not do sessions on those 2 days.

After that one herx, and my next session, I was going into stores without problem, something I hadn't done in 3 1/2 years. The noise, light, stimulation didn't bother me. I shopped for 3 hours one day. WOW.

I was able to go to church a few times (huge for me) out to dinner (also huge)..and generally felt better..headaches that were everyday were now 60-70 % diminished.

Gradually the results began to fade. In the last month, significantly so. No longer able to tolerate stimulation/public.

They said that this would probably happen. I have spoken to 2 other lyme sufferers and they had amazing results. One in specific, Rita Farmer, she is on the video on the Naples website.

I am going to sign up for 10 more appts. before I leave to return to MI for the Spring/Summer. Bottom line? When you haven't gotten any relief in 3 1/2 years of heavy abx, including 4 rounds of IV..you're willing to pay 500 dollars for a few months of relief...whether it is 25% or 50%.

anything that gets you out of the house or bed!

I would think that someone who is not as compromised as myself may reap even greater benefits...

I am in no way affiliated with this treatment or Medsonix Naples...

UNLV, I believe, has published papers on the efficacy of this treatment...it is actually sonar waves and it is believed that the vibrations help with blood flow, etc.

at first, i wasn't sure this treatment did anything, in retrospect, it did A LOT!

FWIW...this was my experience.

[ 03-25-2011, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: feelfit ]

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Feelfit said it very well.
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I think it's interesting - as I said. I have no doubt that we can do healing with sound. I wonder if the results are cumulative over time?

I guess it might be in the same category as massage or taking a sauna. I hope others will post with their experiences.

I'm sure some of the old folks in Florida will get some benefit from this. It's nice to hear some good news for a change. Hopefully, it will get cheaper as it gets more popularized.

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toppers-it would be easier for me to do 10 days once a year than 1 day onnce a month cuz of travel-i have a brother to stay with there

i didn't see any where any one saying it was a lyme cure...i saw them saying it helps inflammation which is a severe constant sx of lyme

ORION-i'd like to hear more from you...didn't you say your daughter did 4 hr txs once a month for a yr?

i know i have osteo arthritis many places...i believe it came from lyme cuz it started in my 30s...but xrays show it everywhere and i can walk now that i have artificial knees so i know it is the cause of much of my pain

i'm not sure how active my lyme is...tests not very pos anymore

of course i would want the lyme discount but i'm trying to understand if it matters the length of tx and how close the txs are depending on why you are txing...lyme or arthritis

the guy i talked to sounded like he just wanted to tx ppl---didn't matter what their health problem---but that they found because of "detox"
lymies did better on different time etc than others

not really sure what he meant by detox...i'm glad he created this tx but he obviously isn't lyme literate and really doesn't want to be

but thanks for the info here

that was really helpful feelfit

i want them to move one to VA tho-it would be easier to experiment with times then

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lpkayak...did you speak to the Naples person? gary gordon?

it doesn't matter if you tell them you have lyme disease, arthritis or cancer... the treatment is the same..except that lyme pts. tend to need more sessions in order to see results.

this statement is based on the lyme patients that have gone through treatment.

I am returning. Rita Farmer has done the treatment several times, each time it gets her out of bed and functional. I have a lyme friend in FL. who has done the treatment as well. When I was investigating Medsonix, all the lyme people that i talked to told me to do myself a favor and run to Medsonix and that I would not regret it.

To answer your question about arthritis, that is supposed to be one of the conditions that it helps with in a BIG way....they sort of just happened to fall into seeing that it helped with lyme.

It obviously cannot help with joints that are deteriorated, can't 'repair' them, etc.. but it sure as heck can and does help with the inflammatory process [Smile]

like anything, results differ for everyone. Rita Farmer experiences HUGE results that are very, very noticable, my results were more subtle, but nevertheless, 'there'

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Wow feelfit, I'm so glad that it helped you! I hope that you will continue to get better with each treatment and eventually be able to hold on to those improvements.
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Seems like if you keep doing it and are able to keep the inflammation down, that maybe your immune system can eventually take over again and whop the Lyme on it's own? It must be so hard for the body to have to fight infections and deal with inflammtion at the same time.

I live in N. FL. and it would be about a 4 hour drive for me. My concern is, I am soooo sick, I'm not sure I could sit there with total strangers, feeling like they are looking at me like I'm some kind of kook.

I just know I would sit there and cry, partly from overstimulation and partly from sheer frustration of the whole ordeal.

I would feel so much better about it if it were more private.

My nervous system is so shot to hell right now. I just can't see myself sitting with people I don't know. (Before I got sick I would've enjoyed the heck out of it. I love people.)

Just thinking out loud here. Wishing I could hit the Lotto so I could just buy one.

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hambone...i only sat with others 2 out of 10 sessions. The Gordons are so nice, they may be able to accomodate your need to be alone, in fact, i'm quite sure that they would work with you on that.

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thank you sammy! me too [Smile] and likewise, i wish the same for you [Smile]
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It seems interesting - I hope they can get some more studies done to further validate the treatment. Those studies that were done do not appear to have been published in a journal (anyone can write a paper), but it is a good start!

I wish I had a machine here... We are going to Vegas for vacation, but I'm not sure we want to be herxing while out there [Smile]

Wondering if I can figger out how to build one (hehe) [Smile]

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feel fit i havent talked to naples yet. i plan to. orion just talked to me a lot. my brother lives in cape coral. i hope i can pull this off.

thanks to all on this thread

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quote:
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hambone...i only sat with others 2 out of 10 sessions. The Gordons are so nice, they may be able to accomodate your need to be alone, in fact, i'm quite sure that they would work with you on that.

ff

Thanks!

I'm considering it. Trying to figure out how to travel and stay there for 10 days.


If I haven't said it before, I have the utmost respect and admiration for those of you who are so sick, but manage to criss cross the country if you have to, to get the help you need.

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Hambone,
I understand the thought of doing it with others, etc., could be daunting. But I think the benefits will far outweigh your concerns. And I'm sure the Naples owners would be extremely sensitive to your needs.
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lpkayak - sorry, I just read that the Arlington, VA place is being "installed", according to the Lymesucks.org website.

I apologize if I misled you or got your hopes up by posting VA. I just thought it was there already! Hopefully, soon!!

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I've done IVs in places where there were other people getting treated. It's not so bad. Most people there are ill, too, & they don't really care.

Sometimes, you get someone who talks too much but it's not necessarily a bad or uncomfortable thing to be in the same room with other people.

I guess it depends on the person.

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I did not know that the Arlington VA site is not happening. So I'll take that off of lymesucks.org. [bonk]
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orion - I think being "installed" probably means they are in the process of opening a center in Arlington, VA, - don't know. Perhaps you could ask the clinic in Las Vegas where your daughter was treated if they know anything about VA and let us know?

For what it's worth, would you also ask them of they plan on opening clinics in the Midwest? They are opening several in California, from what I've read. Thanks.

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Just want to clear up a little bit of confusion on this Medsonix stuff. The recommended tx for most normal aches and pains, arthritis, bursitis, back pain, sciatica, joint pain, etc.. is 4 sessions, which is offered in a pkg. for $299,normally $399. Single sessions are offered at $99, normally $129. It is more cost effective to do the pkg., because the results are better and more sustained after a series. Lyme patients however require a more extensive tx, so rather than charge 2x as much and then some, for 2x as many sessions and then some, they offer a pkg. of 10 for $499. Most things do not require that many sessions. Both offices are having great results, but the results are going to differ for everyone, just as some people respond better to certain drugs than others do. Each office has found good results with differing protocols, but as a rule, the more sessions, the better the results. They are trying to find the BEST protocol for Lyme, but this is done by trial and error. Just remember Medsonix is ALWAYS working no matter what, the cardiovascular system is always being benefitted because of the increase in blood flow. As far as more locations...that is the plan, but probably not likely to happen until it is more well known and profitable, as many who have an interest want to see this before they plunge in. Hope this helps with all the confusing/conflicting information. They are all good people who really do want to help. This is not a solicitation and is only meant for informational purposes.
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lingor123,
Well said.
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Thanks lingor123. Please keep us posted of new locations.
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Will be happy to hopingandpraying. Would like it to be sooner than later!

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Does anyone know if Medsonix treats Babesia and Bartonella?

Is it beneficial for neurological symptoms or is it more for joint pain, headaches etc...

Thanks!

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Yes, unsure445, it does help with the symptoms of these and yes it is beneficial for neurological symptoms as well. Again, it does not cure or heal, but may allow the body to help itself because of the increase in blood flow and the decrease of inflammation.

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What Linda (Medsonix Naples) said is in line with what I think. You can't say it "kills bugs" -- Lyme, babs, etc. And you can't say that it heals, either, at least at this time. But it DOES do what it says it will do -- bring down inflammation, reduce pain, and increase blood flow. It appears, if my daughter is any indication, that all of those things give a BIG rise to quality of life, so much so that it's truly a miracle for her and my family.
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It doesn't pass the smell test with me.

In 18 years I haven't seen a (latest treatment)that was effective for lyme disease.

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Al, I hear you loud and clear having a good sense of smell myself.

On the other hand I can't dismiss Orion's posts. I have had good results with a naturopath. I never in a million years would have seen that coming.

Try to keep an open mind. Believe me, if I can so can you.

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The only fishy thing for me is that I can't seem to find any press releases or news articles about it.
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Sonar? Perhaps we should just swim in a pool of Dolphins and we would be better!

I am skeptical.

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I was quoted $199 for four treatments. The patent office does have several patents - one on the basic technology and a couple others on top of that one.

It will be interesting if someone can do more research and get it published - then it might make the news.

Sounds interesting - but I am not ready to plunk down my money yet. If there wasn't such a capitalistic approach to this (vs. medical/scientific) (franchises info etc.) and if the owner charged much less in order to get more people treated -I think I'd be more likely to try it.

I am very happy it has helped the original family though!

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So if someoner were traveling a long distance would they stay for 10 days and get the treatment each day? Or is one treatment per month the optimal schedule?

When do you plan to have your Florida location open? I'll try anything at this point! Thanks for the information.

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I contacted them earlier this week and they sent me an electronic reply that said they "are heartbroken that they have no plans to install a machine in Arlington, VA." They also said they'd received two inquiries from Virginians.

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Here's the problem: Some doctors want to buy these and open up a Medsonix office, or put it on their existing premises. They are expensive ($150K or more), and doctors typically get loans for equipment like this. But the loan market has dried up, and so I'm told that doctors (yes, even doctors!) are finding getting loans is very very hard.
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Unsure,

The Florida location is open for business. It has been for over a year.

I understand the skeptisism, believe me, I am not easily impressed or willing to spend my money on worthless treatments.

I researched what information was available and talked to other lyme patients who have used medsonix. Not one patient that I spoke with did not have some improvement in symptoms.

I did 10 sessions at the end of December in Florida and I just began my second round of 10 sessions (in a row) today. As I have said, my improvement was not 'curing' nor did it put me in remisssion.

What it did do is give me some quality of life. Actually, as the first round has worn off, I see just HOW MUCH it had improved my life.

No regrets here. and after this round, I'll be back again in the Fall...until they find something better for me...this has been the best, including 4 rounds of IV therapy.

And, I have no interest in this company, have not received any discounts, etc. to each his own.

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I truly believe this helps some people. You just never know until you try. I am all about giving most things a good try.

I am just glad there are people out there at least trying to help Lyme sufferers.

Anything that can reduce inflammation without popping a pill is a good thing.

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FYI - (I don't have any connection with Medsonix.)

http://cre.sagepub.com/content/23/10/897.short

Effects of a low-frequency sound wave therapy programme on functional capacity, blood circulation and bone metabolism in frail old men and women

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Objective: To evaluate the effects of a low-frequency sound wave therapy programme on functional capacity, blood circulation and bone metabolism of the frail elderly.

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Conclusions: Low-frequency sound wave therapy may have the potential to promote well-being of frail elderly subjects via improved functional capacity, especially in subjects who are too frail to undertake exercise.

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More...

http://www.fibromyalgia-symptoms.org/fibromyalgia_lfst.html

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What is Low Frequency Sound Therapy?

Low frequency sound therapy operates on the premise that low frequency sound actually has healing properties. Also known as infrasonic therapy (IST), low frequency sound is thought to travel through the body, directly stimulating your cells.

Though you cannot actually hear these sounds, your body does receive the sound wavelengths and responds to them by healing areas that are affected by swelling, inflammation, or chronic or acute pain.

How Do You Use Low Frequency Sound Therapy?

Low frequency or infrasonic therapy is typically delivered in a hand-held or portable device. This device has a transducer that is very similar to that used in ultrasound technology.

You simply run this transducer over various parts of your body in order to receive the healing benefits of the low frequency sound waves.

Low frequency sound therapy can also be delivered in specially designed chairs that are equipped with internal speaker systems. These systems deliver low frequency sound to your body while you are sitting in the chair.

Both chair and hand-held systems often incorporate massage therapy in order to maximize the benefits of low frequency sound therapy.

What are the Benefits of Low Frequency Sound Therapy?

Low frequency sound therapy is thought to help relieve a variety of unpleasant physical symptoms, including:
acute pain
chronic pain
joint pain and stiffness
muscle pain
fatigue
sleep disorders

How Does Low Frequency Sound Therapy Work?

Low frequency sound therapy is thought to be effective in reducing painful physical ailments by stimulating cell reproduction and other bodily changes.

In particular, low frequency sound therapy is thought to increase the production of hyaluronic acid (HLA), which helps to lubricate joints and relieves muscle and joint pain and inflammation. Low frequency sound also stimulates cellular repair, helping to increase overall bodily health and stamina.

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Not just Medsonix does this kind of therapy. May be worth looking into other sources...?

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And more...

http://www.lowfreqsoundresearch.net/forum/topic.php?id=3

LOW FREQUENCY RESEARCHCLIENT POPULATIONS AND COMMON FREQUENCIES USED
-LITERATURE REVIEW

By Dr. Heidi Ahonen,
Professor of Music Therapy, Wilfrid Laurier University, Ontario, Canada (www.wlu.ca)
Director of the Laurier Centre for Music Therapy Research (www.soundeffects.wlu.ca)

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Michel & Chesky (1996) studied music vibration in pain relief. According to Skille (1989) and Skille & Wigram (1995, p. 39) low-back pains have been reduced by the use of 52 Hz frequency.

Accordingly 68Hz has been effective with neck and shoulder pains. Physioacoustic treatment has also been used in order to decrease the pain of knee replacement patients (Burke and Thomas, 1997) and post-operative gynecological patients (Burke, 1997).

Walters (1996) also studied the psychological and physiological effects of vibrotactile stimulation, via Somatron, on patients awaiting scheduled gynecological surgery. 52Hz has also been used for menstrual pains and symenhorea with good results (Skille, 1989; Skille & Wigram, 1995 p. 39).

According to Skille, Wigram & Weekes (1989), Skille (1989), and Skille & Wigram, (1995) low frequency sound waves are reported to relieve pain and to reduce the length of the rehabilitation period when treating sports injuries, such as acute muscle traumas or post-operative convalesneces.

At the LCMTR we conducted a sports injury research (Tiidus, Markoulakis, Murray, Bryden, Ahonen-Eerikinen, 2008) in collaboration with Karkkainen in which we used frequencies between 40 Hz and 60Hz.

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This place has some cool stuff related to soud therapy... (Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread - Just thought people may like to know some alternatives...)

http://www.somatron.com/index.html

Didn't see any prices, though.

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Also - this:

Infratonic 9

http://www.braintuner.com/qgm.htm

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Thanks for your research Sparkle7.

So how is it different from Light Works?

Does anyone know?
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I have not read all the posts but I am wondering about brain fog and cognitive problems. Does this help that?

Everything I have read on this treatment is related to pain. I don't have much pain just a super messed up brain.

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my brain is super messed up too...pain (fibro, joint type) is at the bottom of my list. I can handle that pain....nothing compares to my 'head stuff'/

if inflammation is causing your brain stuff, it may be worth trying.

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The LightWorks uses infrared light pulsed at the Nogier frequencies where the other info is about low frequency sound waves - infrasonic.

I have seen some studies as to how this can help people with Alzheimers. I'd have to look some more to find them. I'll check into it later today.

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PS - there are some negative effects of infrasound. I think it can be too much if one is exposed on a long term basis. I think there are some complaints about sound from the windmills being made these days for energy production.

I guess it goes both ways - like fire. I didn't find anything directly relating to brain fog. I'll have to look again at another time.

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Many of my daughter's symptoms were cognitive in addition to pain. The pain is pretty much not a player anymore, and the cognitive stuff is MUCH MUCH better, well within the realm of "normal." But I just realized that at this moment, she's on her way back from Medsonix Vegas, so I'll interview her and get the lowdown on the cognitive and pain questions and post back here.
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awesome stuff

I am going to think about buying one and charging people like 20 dollars a visit

or even 200 for the month- use it as many times as you want in that month- something like that

Nice and cheap and i slowly make my money back

Need to look into the legal implications- as i so far from being any type of practitioner:)

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Paul -- You could be an assistant practioner therefor you don't have to be a real practioner. How many of us look to make sure a practioner graduated and are licensed to do what ever they do. You could also create a youtube explaining how your not liable if they grow a third leg or an eyebrow in between their other eyebrows and if they do (complement them about how cro-magnon they are).

By the way, are you looking for investors, after lyme I've got half a two dollar bill and a penny with a hole in it...

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I recently tried something I think is similar. Its called the Life Vessel.

About the Life Vessel

Recent clinical research suggests that the human body, when able to go into a natural state of relaxation and balance can produce dramatic results which allow the body to create natural healing. The Life Vessel is a non-invasive patented (US6544165B1) apparatus that uses frequency, vibration, sound and light to enable a person to reach this natural state, allowing the body the ability to heal itself.

The Life Vessels ability to balance and relax the body is accomplished by a direct affect on three major areas:

Balancing the parasympathetic and sympathetic parts of the ANS.
De-Stressing the whole body physically, mentally and emotionally
Detoxification of the whole body physically, mentally and emotionally

http://www.lifevesselarizona.com/about_the_life_vessel.html

I did one session which was

1 hr on day 1
2 hr on day 2
1 hr of day 3

day 2 I think I herxed badly. Sweating profusely and felt achy and exhausted. A coffee enema helped reduce the severity later that night.

I have felt pretty good since doing it but still have bad days. They told me that typically people with Lyme need to do about 3-4 sessions like I did to see lasting impact.

You do the treatment by yourself but beside sounds it has lights and vibration involved.

Just thought I would share since this treatment seemed somewhat similar to the medsonix.

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Medsonix is audio waves through a transducer. Very different.

There is so much we don't know about our bodies and healing. So much of the modern allopathic medical practices we depend upon today I believe will be replaced by less invasive and more powerful forms of healing with sound and light. It's just starting!

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I agree Orion

One big problem will be our goverment

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steelbone - you could probably make it into a private club for members only... Just an idea.

There are portable devices you can get that have low frequency sound for healing. I posted one for about $700. It's not as big as a whole room device but it might help. They also have these devices for veterinary practice - race horses, etc.

Seem they get better treated than many people these days.

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"One big problem will be our goverment"

Steelbone - I don't see government as the biggest problem. It will be how big pharma and big health industry can control and make most money off it. Forget the small guys....the big guys got to figure out how to max profits and control small owners.

Just my take.

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Steelbone, Missy, I don't want to get into blame here. Change is often painful and usually takes longer than we think it should. There will be breakthroughs in human development and thus thinking that over time that will bring forth new ways of healing. That's inevitable. In the meantime, we've got what we've got, and I am grateful for what Medsonix is doing for my daughter and others.

She just came back from Vegas on Sunday from doing Medsonix. I asked her last night to give me a "weather report," and here it is: Her always-on headache that was a 5-6 level when she started Medsonix (that NO pain meds could touch), is background now, at a 0-1 most of the time, and occasionally flares up to a 4 when she's stressed. BUT IT COMES BACK DOWN!

She reports that her energy is well within the range of "normal." As her Mom, I'd say she's got MORE energy than most people her age (22). She works fulltime in a VERY stressful job (package design), on her feet all day, often working overtime, dealing with office politics, miscommunications, demanding clients, etc.

And then, like a "normal" young person, she goes out in the evening and hangs with friends. We don't see her that much! This is good. Very, very good. Beats the way it was!

When she was a baby, I was dreading the teenaged years of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll." HA! If only life had been that normal! We didn't ever imagine it would be "Lyme, drugs, and PICC lines!!"

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Orion,
This is such wonderful news! Your daughter must be such a strong, compassionate person for having been through all of this. You must be so proud of her!

Thanks for your posts. Best regards!

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re: When she was a baby, I was dreading the teenaged years of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll." HA! If only life had been that normal! We didn't ever imagine it would be "Lyme, drugs, and PICC lines!!"

I like how you put that... well said. You have a good sense of humor.

Wishing you & your daughter continuing success.

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Thank you so much. We've been through so much, but mainly it's been her. It made her be someone she was not going to become.
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Our daughter has been to Medsonix twice now, about a month apart,in Las Vegas. She has had significant improvement during this time.

She is willing to travel, which was impossible a few months ago. She seems to operate at a better level, with more energy. She is still in the battle, but this therapy appears to be hastening her recovery.

I noticed that pain and inflammation related to my own back problems were decreased by a therapy session I had when we were at Medsonix.

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