Topic: therapy to eliminate grain allergies and most other allergies permantly
NanaDubo
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Lee - think she was referring to her husband in the original post. She did not have wheat allergie.
Hiker- I am not surprised at all that he found some chemicals as I stated in my post - even after all this time. With all we are exposed to daily and the fact that I am taking some heavy duty pharma to deal with parasites..... I expected that.
Could he find chemicals forever? Probably. Will I go looking for them forever? Probably not.
The reason I sent a new saliva sample in the first place was because I wanted him to look at the tick I took off my neck.
If my immune system is now strong enough to deal with it and the other 3 ticks bites I have had since starting the drops, I am happy with that.
So - I'm sure I will get punched in the jaw for defending Gigi but all I can say is that I have been a guest in her home many times, have looked her in the eye and asked the hard questions. She is as honest as the day is long and perhaps too honest for some. Written words are not the best form of communication. Just the way it is.
Her personal friendship with Dr. K has allowed many here to have access to some great information and help.
So if you feel she is pushing agendas, weed through it. I have seen people approach her at seminars and thank her for saving their life. I fall into that category so have at me.
Wishing you all health and happiness.
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This will be the first and only offering I will post on this thread. The AI drops played a huge part in giving me my life back period. That coupled with working a qualified ART practitioner to keep unpeeling the onion. I suggest that those who want to get well not dwell on the negative voices, of people who self sabotage their own progress and try to pull others down. Please do not send me personal mailings; I won't look at them. I am getting on with my one and only precious life and sticking with kindred spirits who are moving forward instead of muddling in the mire.
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I am still 'on the fence' as to whether AI is helping me [I have not yet finished] and feel that it is necessary to wait for quite some time after ending the therapy before you are in a fair position to appraise it, especially if, like me, you have been ill a long time.
AI certainly do not claim 100% success rate anyway, which in the world of Lyme would be highly unrealistic for any protocol. Some people are helped and that's to be cheered.
Of course it is important that varied experiences and points of view are aired openly about this or any other treatment in order to give others a fair picture before committing themselves.
Personally, I prefer it when these 'varied' points of view are free from antagonism,
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quote:Originally posted by ukcarry: [QB] Of course it is important that varied experiences and points of view are aired openly about this or any other treatment in order to give others a fair picture before committing themselves.
Personally, I prefer it when these 'varied' points of view are free from antagonism,
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Well said.
I have finished round three. After round one, my digestion was improved and I could eat a lot more raw foods than before. This had been a lingering problem for me after treatment. I could eat a side salad, but not a salad meal. Now the raw foods are fine for me.
Round 2 brought a big healing reaction that was much like a head cold though no one else was sick. I had a fever and spent two days sick in bed. When it passed, I didn't have the seasonal allergies I had before the reaction. I still have not had the seasonal allergies come back to the extent I had them before.
Round 3. Nothing. I have no idea what it did.
My intuition is telling me right now that I need a break from AI. I'm waiting a couple weeks to send off for the next round.
If you know about iridology .... I have a big scurf rim. My scurf rim has gotten about half the size on AI, so it appears it's helping me detoxify.
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If a person feels passionately about something, he or she has the right to proclaim it from the rooftoops as fervently as they desire.
Others can heed or ignore as they see fit.
5 members of my family are on the AI therapy. 4 have experienced gradual, but very positive changes; 1 experienced nothing except feeling more fatigued.
If this therapy does nothing for that one - then so be it. We move on.
Blaming, acusing, and fighting are counterproductive to one's healing. Why waste all that precious energy?
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I stand by my post whether anyone likes it or not.
Those considering this therapy should prepare for 2 to 3 years of therapy and detox/recovery, combined.
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have gathered from reading the AI thread (which took me several months) that the ones who are significantly better from this therapy are the ones who had access to ART? and or use the biotensor?
I was told that I would be "shooting in the dark" if I didn't use the biotensor so I just assumed it wasn't for me.
Still... I would love to get rid of some allergies but if I'm not 100% into it, I don't want to do it.
I've looked high and low and and no ART practioner within 6 hours of me.
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Are allergies your only healh problem--if so, I, personally would not recommend AI, due to the long process of detoxing and how hard it has been personally for me to do AI and work fulltime.
If you have other health issues it might be of benefit.
I have a biotensor, but rarely use it. I rely more on a ring pendulum which you can make yourself. For me I tend to flick my wrist with the biotensor and don't always get a true result---but that is just me.
I don't have a ART practioner anywhere near, either. Sixgoofy seems to get along fine with her intuition. She was miles ahead of me with regaining her health while I was doing AI and she was not.
Each person is different and has to come to the best conclusion for their own health. For me, I rely on God's guidance.
I noticed Lee posted for a clarification on Gigi's original statement on this thread. I think he just wants to know if it is Gigi that has recovered from all allergies or if it is her husband. It does not mention her husband. I don't think Lee intended to obe rude-just wanted clarification.
Blessings to all-time for another Lymenet vacation.
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Ping - At one point here you said all the people who you communicated with and use AI therapy feel as horrible as you do. Does that mean thay you all felt even worse after therapy or that your were symptoms were unchanged?
hiker53 refers to the long detox process and the difficult for he/she to detox while working.
I assume this means you feel worse while on AI therapy?
Also would like to know what a biotensor is and why an ART practitioner is necessary
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Hey, c'mon folks. It's not fair to censure people for voicing the fact that they've done the therapy and they don't feel it's worked for them.
If this forum is manipulated to contain only positive testimonials, then it becomes misleading and void of usefulness to people (like myself) who want to see the WHOLE truth, not just the cases where people lived happily ever after.
That's like having a court in which the burden of proof is on the prosecution, but only the defense is allowed to present their case and call testimony.
I've seen forums before where you get a faction of people who become sort of a "good-ol'-boy" network that promotes a particular product and all they do is talk about how wonderful it is, even though it may have worked for only 2% of the people who have ever tried it.
Then when someone comes along and posts that said product did not do so well for them, the good-ol'-boy network converges upon that person like a pack of wolves, chastises them, paints them as a bad seed, and runs them off the forum.
It seems that's becoming the case with AI on this forum and that's unfortunate.
I think everyone would be better served if people didn't not get offended when others voice their lack of success and satisfaction with AI.
I've read a substantial portion of the AI thread and I think that I'm a person of reasonable intelligence, yet after all that reading, AI is still an enigma.
From what I've observed, it seems there are a lot of people who have done AI, some have said it's done nothing, a few (very few) have said it's been a major help, and the largest category are undecided. It seems there might be a lot who elect to discontinue without taking the therapy to its completion.
So it has been difficult to come to a conclusion about AI.
Some of the posts and threads concerning AI are like drive-by shootings. Someone makes a claim about how AI does this or that, but then when someone asks questions, they're told to go back and read Tolstoy's "War and Peace" (the whole AI thread). Hence, the drive-by shooting....taking a shot, then running away.
That kind of activity is counterproductive to building credibility on the part of those making the claims.
And this whole thing about ART and biotensors...
First of all, when it comes to ART testing, it's my understanding that scar tissue resulting from previous injuries can cause a person's energy flow to become "blocked" or "switched." In such cases when a person is "blocked" or "switched," the ART testing will not produce any valid results.
I know this because I went to a Klinghardt-trained ART practitioner. He spent an entire afternoon putting things in my energy field and pushing on my arm with no results. I was just as strong every time.
Finally, he gave me this laser light thingy and told me to shine the pulsating lasers on areas of my body where might have scar tissue from previous surgeries or injuries. The laser lights were supposed to clear the blockages.
Then I told him that I had internal hemorrhoid surgery just a couple of months prior and I couldn't very easily shove the laser light thing up my you-know-what.
And you folks know I'm not makin' this up because I posted about the problems I've had with hemorrhoids and the procedures that were done, the subsequent hemorrhaging and the consequent flare of babesia.
Anyway, I reluctantly shined the lasers on my butthole, (I remember looking at myself in the mirror while doing this and laughing, and asking myself, "have you gone absolutely crazy, man?") and other places where scar tissue might be. Then he did more of this ART testing and he claimed to get results. Frankly, I think my arm was just getting tired from having him push on it all day long up to that point, and I think he was pushing harder just to fake the results he wanted to get.
Notwithstanding my skepticism on ART in general, the question is, how is ART to be applied to AI? Are you supposed to test yourself for each bottle of drops? What do you do if you get a "no?" Stop the therapy after you've just spent $670? Send another DNA sample to them and tell them you want to skip that bottle?
Second, if someone is "blocked" or "switched" and doesn't know it, then doesn't that completely invalidate the ART testing?
And third of all, is everyone really capable of testing themselves with a tensor? Doesn't it take a certain degree of inborn talent or "gift" to be able to deal on that kind of cosmic level?
Because I gotta tell ya, my talent is all stacked in other areas. I am completely devoid of the metaphysical, cosmic, intuitive senses. I am really doubtful that all of this biotensor, pendulum, crystals, or tea leaves kind of stuff would work for me.
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All depends of the ART practitioner. My own doctor in WA and the others I have seen at seminars, including Dr. K, use a 3rd person for testing.
They are also able to tell quite quickly if you are blocked or switched and what is causing it, and what will "open you up." A good ART practitioner will know this. I am NOT saying yours is not good, don't know who it is.
I can check to see if I am open or blocked with a biotensor. I don't feel it is a special talent.
In terms or ART being applied to AI - I think people are referring to having help knowing what it is they are detoxing, what organs might be being affected and what a good support remedy might be to help them along - metals for example.
Detoxing heavy metals can be tricky and I for one want the guidance and help of a practitioner who has had a lot of experience with it.
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I'm about to start LDA or low dose allergens therapy brought into this country by Dr. Shrader - http://www.drshrader.com/. It is supposed to eliminate chemical, food and inhalant allergies and involves a shot or shots (not sure yet) every other month for two years. My LLMD likes it a lot and they do it in his office. I live in another state from him so will be doing it locally. There is a list of practitioners on his website.
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I use a pendulum for the testing. Before diagnosed with lyme, just dealing with various symptoms, I had gone to a couple different practitioners that both strongly encouraged me to learn some form of energy testing to do for myself. It took me about 1.5 years to learn it, just slowly trying here and there. I put forth the theory that maybe being really quite sick, particularly with neurological issues including some psychiatric in nature, does not lend itself well to learning this skill of testing on oneself. I don't think they, or anyone else I have presented the idea too yet, bought the idea, but I do still believe that matters. Sort of like the scar tissue idea--at some point you're just so messed up it's gunna be hard for it to work. Some people really do learn this self-testing thing very quickly, and others like me, do not.
The self-testing has helped enormously, and if it has helped me with AI, I would say NanaDubo's reasonsing would be why. It produced enormous detoxing during one stage, and while I don't remember anymore exactly what I did about it, I know during that period (and still now) I am always regularly checking what things I need for support and changing what I take regularly, and absolutely that helps, I do remember these adjustments helping with herxing time and again.
If I recount what has helped me get as far down this lyme journey that I am (not fully healed yet, for sure), I know that antibiotics and AI have been the two very big ones on the top of the list. It doesn't mean I couldn't eventually do it without one of them or even both. But, of the treatments I've done, they have been top of the list.
Still, I would list self energy testing as more valuable than either antibiotics or AI for me during this journey--not a treatment, but still, something that guides treatments so well that its value has been that great. In the absence of having this ability, I would thing an experienced practitioner to guide with detoxing and the like would be quite valuable. Absolutely, there are a lot of things I would not want to try in the absence of either self-testing or very experience practitioner leading the way.
Regarding energy testing the AI drops, I do it as a matter of habit or obsessive need-to-know/get-it-right or whatever you want to call that, and it always seems to test as 4 drops, 3 times a day, for 12 days; rather than their standard 5 drops, 3 times a day, for 14 days. The drops have always tested as good for me, so testing the drops and doing as my pendulum has said has PERHAPS allowed the treatment to be a little more gentle for me (4 drops instead of 5), but I'm confident doing as they directed would have produced very similar results.
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Chaps, you're funny. War and Peace .... appropriate on so many levels .....
I don't have a biotensor and I don't have someone to perform ART on me (though I've had it done three times and it's been very helpful, I've used it for what's on the surface to be done next rather than what supps to use since I've mainly used the Bionic + nosodes or homeopathics).
I can muscle test myself for what supps might be helpful, but my testing is very limited. And I, too, test AI every time and always get 5 drops 3 times per day for 14 days. I test every supp every time I take it. It's just habit now .... I started doing that when I was trying to learn to muscle test.
Oddly, I almost never test well for binders. I do test well for things that make things move, however.
I am not one of the fortunate ones to have a practitioner help me wade through this. I have been on my own since I got back from Germany in Nov. 2008. By Aug. 2009, I was better. I still have no symptoms. I am doing AI to hopefully help the deathly reactions I'm having to shellfish (I don't eat it, but some restaurant kitchens are sloppy).
Sometimes I think the simplicity of my treatment has been what has helped the most.
I've done three rounds of AI and just feel it's time to take a little break .... I'll probably send away for round 4 next week.
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I can honestly say I don't know if I would do AI therapy again presented the choice. I don't know if it is what caused the detoxing to begin or if that would have happened anyway.
But, I cannot change having done AI. I just know that most days I still do not feel well and cannot get the detoxing to end.
I know people say it takes time, but I started AI in January of 2009. You would think by this time the toxins would all be gone or the body would learn to live in harmony with the small amount left.
I do know that I will not take any more AI drops!
Never saw Gigi's answer to Lee whether her first post on this thread was about Gigi or about her husband. Nana spoke for her, but I would like to hear what Gigi has to say. Nana--please don't take offense at this last comment, but the post says nothing about Gigi's husband.
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The biotensor issue has been a problem for me as well. When I hold it or a pendulum, it is stone-cold dead. When my sister holds it, it will practically go and fetch the newspaper for her.
So my family does not use the biotensor--none of us can get it to move.
BUT, my kids, my husband, and I have been to an ART practitioner on one occasion for some guidance.I also discuss our health issues over the phone with her.
I found the ART testing to be amazingly accurate. For example, when my bottle of AI drops was held in my field, the practitioner said "You don't seem to want these anymore." It was my round 5 and I had just finished my 2 week cycle of taking the drops.
But when I sent in my next saliva sample to Germany, it came back with a note saying that I was done with the therapy-exactly what the ART showed.
Other health issues were identified and confirmed which led us to believe that ART was no joke. I'm not saying that all ART practitioners are created equal.
Like Chaps said, some people really have a gift in that area.
So our style of being on the AI therapy is not quite like others. We don't have the "cosmic" advantage of the biotensor, and we have only done ART once. I don't know if we can afford for all of us to do ART again, but at least we have an idea of what is going on with our bodies for now anyway.
The one person in our family who is having a hard time on the drops has historically had a hard time with everything. She has been the sickest all along and has not seen improvement with any kind of therapy. Treating Lyme, treating co-infections,detoxing from heavy metals, treating mold, killing off parasites---it is all shooting in the dark for her. Who knows what issue should be prioritized or what treatment?
The one ART appointment revealed not only an enormous amount of diagnostic information, but helpful individualized treatment information as well. So while the drops are doing their thing, my daughter has undertaken the slowest of all possible parasite treatments. It is THE one and only treatment her body has not staged a revolution against, and it is the treatment that was revealed through ART. We wouldn't have started this treatment on our own.
Progress for her will realistically be very very slow- while others in my fam have experienced some pretty amazing results from the AI drops: relief from debilitating anxiety (no more anxiety meds!), positive emotional changes, mood improvement,relief from motion sickness, relief from constipation...
So, no wonder AI generates so much controversy. Outcomes vary tremendously on this therapy, even among members of the same fam.
I do agree with a previous poster, that either ART or the biotensor (or pendulum) is a huge advantage to using the therapy. Those who don't have regular access to these supports (like us) are definitely at a disadvantage.
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Thank you, Nana. As you well know, I am busy right now with my husband in hospital and rehab and don't want to waste precious time. I have a full plate.
My husband had all grain allergies, leaky gut, and celiac which means that the body is unable to break down the gluten because it does not recognize it and because of that also cannot break down the enzymes. I had zero food allergies, but a lot of others.
If you look at your first test, enzyme blockage is very common with most ill people. Which means that nothing in the body works the way it should.
End of last year, I posted a note from AI telling me that they have had many, many with celiac, all of whom can eat everything again when done with the therapy. Since I have learned that often other allergies tie into the wheat/celiac/gluten problem, it stands to reason that you are not finished with AI until they tell you so. Sometimes the total therapy it even takes a few more tests after a short pause. That is the nature of the beast. It doesn't cost much extra. Why the problem?If you add any unwelcome substance while doing the therapy, of course that will show in the results during the therapy. It is not an error on AI's part. The testing is done in layers, layers, and sometimes the worm is nibbling at the core of the apple. AI explains it nicely.
It seems obvious from some comments that you need to read the site and threads and rethink some of your comments to reflect reality.
Sometimes as in my husband's case, the damage is too great, too late for the damage to be undone, or it takes a miracle. I am hoping for a miracle.
The longer one has been ill, the longer it takes for AI to find the corrections.
All else aside, I am very happy to have stumbled into AI and I am even more grateful to the people at AI who never stopped developing it further and despite all obstacles thrown their way by school medicin and professional complainers continue their healing and research.
We need more pioneers like them. And if you are still stuck somewhere in your wagon unable to turn it around, which is the intent of AI to find home base, as HG always says, "stay with the ball". Shooting in the dark works (without ART, tensor, pendulum, but not nearly as well.
If your autonomics are way out of sync, as is the case with literally every lymed person, you have to detox enough before the pendulum, tensor, etc. can give you the sense of direction. The body in that condition is blocked one second and regulation open the next and that is why these instruments are difficult until some of the air is cleared. Scars on the body act in a similar way - they shoot electric signals all over creation and testing is very difficult until the scars are calmed down with neural therapy, laser, etc. I played with a pendulum getting the wrong answers for a couple of years. I was unable to use the tensor - body with dead energy until some clearing of toxins had been done via doctor or practitioner guidance.
If you don't have access to any such person, it can be learned easily. You have the internet to find a teacher. I have taught several. It can tie in nicely with learning ART I. And it is neither woodoo nor whatever, it is based on simple polarities - electromagnetic charges -
Take care.
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I can say (at least for myself) that AI has been played a HUGE role in detoxification for me. Everything elses seem to be falling into place.
Three years ago all my tests were off the charts for lead, mercury and a few others. They have come down over time during AI.
I just received 13 pages of test results from a recent Genova Diagnostics test called NutraEval. Lots involved with this test.
It tests for oxidative stress, minerals, B vitamins, essential fatty acids, functional imbalances, Krebs cycle, mitochondrial metabolites, amino acids, cardiovascular risk, heavy metals - the list goes on.
My mercury level is now not measurable and lead is barely there.
Since I have done nothing other than AI, organ support, minerals and binders for two years - this is a pretty dramatic change. No "chelation" involved and I was unable to move any of this for a solid year of trying before AI.
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OK, so I just had my amalgams out--lots of them. My urine (porphyrins) test and hair analysis did not show mercury. So it's possible that I have an allergy to mercury and my body is not excreting it even though it is stored in the brain and fatty tissues.
Seems to me that AI would be the thing to do to clear the allergy, right? --Because NAET is not permanent (not to mention that I don't believe in NAET).
BUT, there's that question that comes up again: With leaky gut, is it premature to start trying to get the body to excrete mercury?
One thing about AI, once you clear a dysregulation, you can't turn it off on if the body dumps too many metals too fast.
At least with other therapies you can back off if you have to.
This whole leaky gut thing is really bugging me. I've never heard a medical or naturopath say anything about healing leaky gut before chelating. They just say, get those metals out.
Healing leaky gut can take a long time and I'm not in the mood for screwing around with something that doctors don't address.
Does this "heal-the-leaky-gut-before-chelating" thing come from Huggins? Because if it does, then I know to ignore it. If Huggins really knew what he was talking about I'd be dead right now because I didn't listen to a lot of the nonsense he preaches before having my fillings out. I think the man was a good pioneer many years ago, but he's since lost his mind and has gone way overboard in some areas and has crossed the line into the realm of quackdom. Many dentists agree, in fact the IAOMT doesn't even take him seriously any more.
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Chaps - how did your base minerals look on the hair test?
Everything I have read says if no mercury shows up and the "good minerals" are all over the place and on the low end, it points to the inability to excrete heavy metals. My doc in WA says this as well.
Heavy metals are a big contributor to leaky gut so I don't know how one would go about healing it before getting rid of metals. Don't know anything about Huggins. I think it is Chiquita Incognita that quotes him about healing the gut before addressing metals. Could be check with her.
You do start to let go of metals with AI and you can't turn it off but you can support the organs and use well timed binders.
I think it's important to work with a knowledgeable practitioner when dealing with heavy metals.
Congratulations on having your amalgams out!
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When the hair analysis was done (and this was several years ago at the beginning of my illness) sodium, copper, manganese, and molybdenum were low. Potassium and cobalt were right on the line entering the normal range. The rest of the minerals were in the normal range. Phosphorus and selenium were toward the low end of the normal range, but still in the normal range. Zinc was good.
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...several years ago.....
Maybe you should do another hairtest. The essential minerals should all come out above the 50percentile line. Anything on the lefthand side of the test is not sufficient enough to detox anything.
And rule out KPU, even if your zinc level was "good". Metals deplete each other -- that is not a solution. You need to have the complete material on board to detox. Nothing much can happen or improve without a sufficient mineral base.
That has been my experience.
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For anyone interested in starting this therapy, I'd like to make a few clarifications.
First, I've never said PSP didn't work. What I've said is the people I've communicated with, as well as myself, who have finished the therapy AND also done the retest and finished those rounds (if any), are feeling ill at present. The term 'ill' is rather all inclusive, but they all include fatigue; described in ways from chronic to crushing fatigue. There are a variety of other sx's reported that come and go. Speaking for myself again, I can tell you that the fatigue I feel is chronic, with bouts of exhaustion and shortness of breath.
Second point: The fatigue and illnesses only came on well after early rounds; rounds 9-12 (and a few later) seems to be a sort of tipping point. Although nobody can claim absolute evidence, virtually all of us feel as if the toxins, etc. took many months to start moving (as was posted previously by others) and the consensus is that between rounds 9-12, it starts to become a serious influence. It appears that quite a few of us haven't moved through the point of severe fatigue/illness to the stage where all has cleared out and we don't know when that stage will be reached. This does not mean that the light at the end of the tunnel won't appear, just that only a few on this thread say they've reached that clearing point. Please keep in mind that virtually all of us felt & reported improvements (incl. foods, etc.), even reported feeling great during and through the first 8 or 9 rounds, so those of you working on round 5 or 6, you're not there yet.
All of us who are still suffering the effects of PSP wish we had taken this therapy much, much slower, as it might have avoided the 'log jam' of toxins trying to rush out of our bodies. Binders don't seem to be helping us at present and quite a few of us wish we hadn't wasted our money on these. (Had a big discussion on this one...) Knowing what I know now, I would have waited at least 2 months between rounds, even though it took longer to finish this treatment.
I wish many of you had waited until the vast majority of us 'firsters' had completely finished treatment and were at least done about 6 months before starting this treatment yourselves, but, que sera.
Best wishes to everyone!
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Hmm, Ping's most recent post clarifies the particulars of his/her case (and those of the others mentioned) but it only raises new questions and concerns, muddying the waters even more about the safety of AI.
For instance, if a person reached a particular degree of illness, is it better for them to battle certain pathogenic components of the illness rather than stirring up toxins that can compromise them and cause the illness to progress even further?
Is the severe fatigue/illness that Ping describes from detoxing action, is it from a progressed state of disease caused by AI mobilizing toxins that were previously "sleeping dogs?"
I'd hate to think that someone who is at a recoverable state of illness might with AI, put themselves at an unrecoverable state, when they might have gotten better by fighting the disease first, then getting rid of the toxins later--or at least by taking detox in a slower, more controlled manner.
I've heard NDs talk about "going very slowly" with heavy metal detox, not trying to take out too much at once to minimize risk to detoxing organs.
AI doesn't seem to give that kind of option, it seems to just unlock the gates and let it flow.
Taking a 2-mo. break in between rounds--so someone's case can go on for 4 or more years? Will they even let your case proceed for that long without charging the fees more than once?
It seems unsettling/disconcerting that the folks at AI are dispensing this therapy to people without testing for their current state of disease or degree of toxicity. It seems that they take a "one-size-fits-all" approach to it. And as Morty Seinfeld would say, "I don't like the sound of that!"
If a person has just a little mercury poisoning, or a whole lot, it makes no difference to AI. It's like saying, "here you go, let it fly" and it's the patient that incurs the consequences.
So with each round of drops, you're supposed to "energy test" yourself with a tensor, bobber, pendulum, crystals, someone pushing on your arm, a OUIJA board, tarot cards, something like that? And you're going to trust your life to this method of testing when you don't even know if you're "blocked" or "switched," which can throw the whole method of testing off-kilter? ---Please.
I've been to a few practitioners who have muscle tested me and none of them seemed to know what the hell they're doing.
So what am I supposed to do, travel all over creation to find a practitioner who really knows how to do this?
And even if I found such a practitioner, I've got to go to them with every round of drops and pay them their hourly fee just to find out if these drops are safe for me to take at the present time? And what if I test negative? How do I know "why" I tested negative and how do I fix it? What do I do, go back in another two weeks and pay them their hourly fee to get tested again?
Is it just me, or doesn't this whole process seem just a little bit ridiculous?
On the AI website, right above the "ORDER NOW" tab, (separate from the "legal" page that basically says, we don't guarantee that this works and it has no scientific basis, so whatever happens, you're on your own and we assume no liability) it says "the responsibility is entirely yours."
BOY, THEY AREN'T KIDDING!
Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shoot down AI.
I am very interested in it and I would jump at the chance to clear allergies and detoxify the body to enhance my recovery.
But I'm voicing my concerns that come to mind when I read about it.
In summary, by all accounts, AI seems to do SOMETHING.
The questions are, is it safe enough for everyone regardless of their degree of illness. I don't think it is based on what I've seen thus far.
If I'm dead wrong, please enlighten me.
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Chaps -- I do think these are, by and large, valid concerns.
The one thing you mentioned that I would brush aside, admittedly without the experience yet, is the concern over getting re-charged by AI for taking too long of a break. From what I have heard of how they have handled various cases, it really would just surprise me if they handled things that way. Of course, that is something you could ask them about up-front and get settled.
Yes, AI sure does something, and it is a real question if everyone will be ready to deal with it. That is where the energy testing before-hand could help prevent that--perhaps or perhaps not--but more importantly, some basic tools of handling detox situations and the ability to buy them and energy test them is just going to be really helpful. I think that would really minimize the chances of serious harm, but even with that, who can say it would 100% eliminate them ... probably nobody. Perhaps the AI can open up a battle with a bug, or some detoxing, that would simply be better off left alone, when considering how long the battle/detoxing would last. I think it's a fair concern, and probably is impossible to know for sure before-hand for any one person.
Back before I was able to energy test for myself, I did go every month or so to someone who energy tested all my supplements. This was a 2-3 hour event, I had about 80 different things I was on, I paid an hourly fee, I feel it was worth it. Now, I saw her weekly for acupuncture anyway, so as supplements ran out, she tested for if I needed another bottle and so on, and I mention this to point out still I did not go that whole period without any testing or adjustments--small ones were still made in between. In the later stages of this testing, I was getting more confidence in doing it myself, and then the trips to have her do it showed me how well I was doing with it, and that helped me eventually realize I could do it "well enough" myself.
So many of these supplements are powerful, and our detoxing needs can be high. For anyone taking AI, very good advice to be able and ready to handle it, and so this energy testing is just going to make the whole situation "safer", make it go a lot better for sure. This is just the reality of this situation here, trying to deal with this very difficult medical condition. People can get better just guessing what to take the whole way through, but people with access to knowing what actually will help will far better, perhaps getting well sooner and perhaps having a more pleasant/safe experience along the way.
In that sense, I do encourage you to look out for an opportunity to learn to do this for yourself. Ultimately, that will serve you so well. It's a shame the people you've run into so far just weren't that good, or at least did not come off that way to you for whatever reason. Hopefully if you keep your eyes open for the right person to get you started with this, to show you/teach you/get you started somehow, maybe it will happen eventually. Or if you are a clever self-learner, perhaps you could figure it out from the web. It took me probably a year and a half to learn this from the time I started trying. (No I didn't spend every second trying to learn in that period.) So I know, it can be hard, but the rewards are there--they address your concerns with this AI therapy better than anything else can.
Ping -- Thanks for the more detailed information on your experiences and that of others. I am right now in the midst of a break, about 2 months so far, as I do some classical homeopathy. I have finished, I think, 6 rounds. My pendulum tells me that while there is still value in continuing AI, the value is lesser compared to classical homeopathy, and I just don't want to do the two at the same time, at least right now. So, I am not yet to that point you speak about as being problematic for some.
If you don't mind, I have a question regarding regretting the binders. Have you used energy testing for binders and other supplements? Do you know this answer for any of the others who have also had problems? It seems a bit on-topic as it relates to some of chaps concerns.
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"It seems unsettling/disconcerting that the folks at AI are dispensing this therapy to people without testing for their current state of disease or degree of toxicity. It seems that they take a "one-size-fits-all" approach to it. And as Morty Seinfeld would say, "I don't like the sound of that!"
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I think that is quite inaccurate. Have you seen one of these tests Chaps?
It shows quite well what our state of health/disease is and the degree of toxicity. That's the whole purpose of the testing.
One of the numbers directly shows level of toxicity due to circulating metals.
If one is no longer able to produce enzymes, if there are blockages in the spine, organs and organ systems are not working well, blocked glands, etc. etc., that paints a pretty good picture as to what our current state of disease might be. All of those show on the test as well.
The fact that miasms are named also paints a picture as to what that state of disease might be further down the road.
I am not pushing this therapy on anyone - have always said it was no cake walk, and I am not wanting or trying to argue. If someone sees the body as purely a machine that you feed, and not a system of communicating cells made from light and energy, this therapy might not be the way for them to go.
That last statement is directed at no one - just trying to make a point.
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Have I seen one of those tests? No, actually I haven't.
Is any help provided in interpreting the report or acting upon the information contained therein before or while taking the drops?
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chaps, I'll do the best I can to answer, from my perspective:
"For instance, if a person reached a particular degree of illness, is it better for them to battle certain pathogenic components of the illness rather than stirring up toxins that can compromise them and cause the illness to progress even further?"
I was in remission and off abx tx for a few years. Not saying I didn't have Lyme, but it appeared to be inactive. If it were my choice (again), I'd battle the Lyme first and get it under control before doing anything else.
"Is the severe fatigue/illness that Ping describes from detoxing action, is it from a progressed state of disease caused by AI mobilizing toxins that were previously "sleeping dogs?"
Probably 'yes' to both parts of this question. Ex. I now have a hefty mycoplasma infection that I never tested positive for in the many years (5) I was treated for TBD's. Don't think I'll ever know for sure if the infection is new, or present all the while.
"I'd hate to think that someone who is at a recoverable state of illness might with AI, put themselves at an unrecoverable state, when they might have gotten better by fighting the disease first, then getting rid of the toxins later--or at least by taking detox in a slower, more controlled manner."
This is the chance that we took and as I said, if I had it to do all over again, I do it much, much slower. I was well into remission when I began PSP.
"I've heard NDs talk about "going very slowly" with heavy metal detox, not trying to take out too much at once to minimize risk to detoxing organs."
Good advice.
"Taking a 2-mo. break in between rounds--so someone's case can go on for 4 or more years? Will they even let your case proceed for that long without charging the fees more than once?"
Well, why not? This is a good question to ask AI (about the length of time, etc.).
'It seems unsettling/disconcerting that the folks at AI are dispensing this therapy to people without testing for their current state of disease or degree of toxicity. It seems that they take a "one-size-fits-all" approach to it. And as Morty Seinfeld would say, "I don't like the sound of that!" '
AI does test you! You get an initial test result and a result every time you turn in a swab sample to them and they send you the next round of drops. Energy testing on a daily basis is up to each individual and is not a request of AI.
I reinterate that I don't think PSP is a tx for Lyme, even if others claim that it might be, or has benefits. I took PSP to rid myself of various allergies and other things that go along with allergic reactions, etc. If you're looking to AI for Lyme treatment - DON'T! I've not seen one shred of proof that it does anything for Lyme, regardless of what AI or others say. This is why I said I wished others had waited until after the group of us that went first had finished and been done for a while. Nobody really knows how long it will be until we feel better or what will happen along the way. It wouldn't hurt anyone to keep treating their infections conventionally, while waiting to see how we all turn out.
Good luck, chaps, with whatever you decide.
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Chaps - the test results are in English (mine were in German) and sent to you in PDF form via email.
If one sends for the drops, a booklet comes with it explaining what the various test areas indicate.
He does not and cannot offer medical advice. If you have a German speaking acquaintance, AI is there to offer support. He does say on the website that he recommends working with a doctor/practitioner.
This is where energetic testing is handy as MichaelTampa mentioned and has been said here before.
I have been using the biontensor for almost 3 years and my doctor says my testing is very accurate.
I like to know when something is going on if I am moving metals, chemicals, fungus or if parasites are having a party etc. I cannot fly to WA often and being able to test myself has made the whole process much easier.
If you wake up feeling horrible and have no idea why, it's a little difficult to do anything about it. If you can find out within a few seconds - oh it's viruses, or it's yeast die-off, then you can find the right thing to take to be more comfortable.
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Re using pendulum or biotensor or doing any energetic testing when the Autonomic Nervous System is still very much out of balance due to illness:
It is impossible to do and get true answers. The system swings so strongly that it is not possible to rely on the answers you get for yourself or others.
When I test others, I always have to make sure I am with "open regulation, all meridians flowing, unblocked, not in an allergic attack, quiet, calm and centered". It won't work otherwise.
I have spent years with friends who are practitioners. The rule is "the practitioner doing the testing has to be in fair/good health" and always steps ahead of the patient. All practitioners worth their salt are constantly treating each other, getting together in groups, getting away for retreats by themselves treating each other to stay well. It is extremely taxing to the practitioner to treat ill people without breaks. Dr. K. used to walk out - open doors and windows before he could continue treatment with the next sick Lymie. They are tough to deal with - don't we all know this? This thread is a perfect example if you read it with a sober head. I am going to take it to the rehab tomorrow to read it to my husband - maybe I get a chuckle out of him! I desperately need to hear one.
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I've read enough about AI to know that it should not be miscontstrued as a Lyme treatment. I never thought that it was, although I've noticed some people have had that interpretation.
The most attractive thing to me about AI is it's alleged ability to clear allergies to metals and mold.
If I underwent this therapy and achieved those two things safely and effectively, I would consider it a major success.
I don't care about its alleged ability to clear food allergies, because it's my belief that the only kind of food allergies it can clear are the ones based in someone's DNA.
Before I became ill at 48 years of age, I never had any food allergies. I only developed food sensitivities after getting sick, and these were caused by leaky gut.
I've always believed (and it was and agreed upon in one of GiGi's earlier posts) that leaky gut is caused by metals or other toxins. To me the only way to fix food sensitivities that aren't based in DNA is to get rid of the metals and heal the leaky gut.
Given what I've learned about the necessity to ART test, the complexities and potential interferences to ART testing, (not to mention the trouble and expense involved in getting it done) I am very inclined to pass on AI at this point.
If someone who was already in remission can be thrown into a tailspin by undergoing a therapy that is supposed to clear toxins and strengthen the immune system further, that's a concern.
So thanks everyone for your help on this. From what I've gathered from all of you and others, I believe that AI does something.
Since the ART testing is a requirement, this is a major buzzkill.
I'm concerned that if I try to use it to get my body to excrete metals, it might move too much, too fast. ART testing and taking binders is too much guesswork and I would be much more comfortable with an approach that's more precise, measured, and gradual. Mercury is nothing to mess with.
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I do not have anyone to do ART on me and I'm using AI. I don't consider it a requirement.
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I appreciate this thread.
Healthy debate (even if tensions do rise) can only help the viewers make informed decisions.
There are a lot of sick, desperate folks reading this website.
And it's good to hear all sides of the stories.
(E.g. I wish I would have read more negative comments regarding anti-biotics before starting them 2 yrs ago - they seemed to be the accepted initial treatment of Lyme and I don't 100% agree with that approach)
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quote: I do not have anyone to do ART on me and I'm using AI. I don't consider it a requirement.
Six, am I correct in recalling you saying that you tested yourself (or maybe had a family member do it) for various supplements, in one case I think it was hydrochloric acid?
If it was muscle testing, isn't this the same thing as ART testing? 'Cause when I went to these practitioners who said they were ART testing me, they pushed on my arm. So muscle-testing, ART testing, kinesiology, they're all the same thing, aren't they?
I think I understand the difference between muscle testing and using with a tensors and pendulums. It seems to me with the latter, you're essentially asking the autonomic nervous system to tell you "yes" or "no" to a substance by making you subconsciously move the tensor or pendulum in one direction or the other.
I (think) I can understand how the body can tell when you put a substance, such as a drug, supplement, chemical element, etc, in the body's energy field whether it's good for you at the time or not; fight or flight, yes or no.
But these AI drops--they're just electrically charged water and vitamin C. How can the body go beyond sensing the chemical makeup at face value, and actually sense the electrical charges in that bottle AND THEN, KNOW HOW those electrical properties are going to re-program the DNA AND THEN, KNOW EXACTLY HOW that re-programming is going to affect the body in it's current state of toxicity and autoimmunity? WHEW! That seems to be a stretch. It's an awful lot for the body to figure out in a split second.
Imagine a widow talking to her late husband's doctor and telling him that he did not take the medication that the doctor prescribed, the doctor asking why, and the widow responding "well, when he consulted with the crystals, the crystals told him not to take it." That's reminds me of Jackie Chiles on Seinfeld saying to Kramer, "who told you to put the balm on, I didn't tell you to put the balm on. The WHO? The MAESTRO told you to put the balm on?" I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.
Aside from all the details about ART testing, it appears we have some conflicting opinions here. Some say you don't need to ART test each round, some say you do.
At this point, I don't doubt the validity of AI. And I don't doubt ART testing. It's just that there are too many conditions and variables that can affect the outcomes of both that are not always detectable or known, so to me, that deems the treatment and the testing method both as risky and unreliable.
Therefore, it seems the patient needs to consider their current state of health, the level of risk it represents, and compare that to the level of risk they are willing to take.
So although AI comes from Germany, it's Vegas-style all the way, baby, "What's your pleasure?" Can you risk the $700? How about your life? Here we go for another round (of drops), what's it gonna be, "hit me again," or "I'm gonna stay?"
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quote:Originally posted by chaps:
quote: I do not have anyone to do ART on me and I'm using AI. I don't consider it a requirement.
Six, am I correct in recalling you saying that you tested yourself (or maybe had a family member do it) for various supplements, in one case I think it was hydrochloric acid?
If it was muscle testing, isn't this the same thing as ART testing?
No, ART and muscle testing are different. Yes, I do muscle test myself. I don't muscle test to the same extent that people on the AI thread talk about doing with biotensors and pendulums. I've never done that kind of detail. I just muscle test if I need a supplement, that's it. I didn't learn to do it until relatively recently when I started taking HCL with meals so I'd know how much to take. I also wanted to learn it for iron supps.
ART has a middle person in the testing. It's much more sophisticated. In addition to treatments/supps, they also test for what's ailing you and what organs might be blocked. I have no idea how to do this.
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