I was allergic to literally everything -- this therapy took care of all of them. Allergies to toxic metals are gone. All dysregulations of the DNA are gone. Celiac is gone; all sensitivities are gone. It is almost impossible to get well if the body goes into stress every time we are exposed to something the body has forgotten or never learned to deal with. This therapy introduces the correct information to the body and the body is able to detox.
Take care.
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May I ask, were you biopsy-confirmed celiac, or were you gluten-sensitive (which produces the same symptoms, just not the same auto-immune antibodies).
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Gigi: I am going through treatment for lyme; three months now and it took me 6 months to get in to the doctor so i dont want to stop my treatment but I do have many allergies that arent helping as well as RA. Can I do through this treatment while going through the lyme protocol?
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Same here with allergie-immun results. Could never get rid of the metals and I had very high levels. Now they are very low and never had to use any "chelator". Once the body recognizes them, they just start leaving on their own. Required plenty of mop up and organ support but not much else.
I became terribly sensitive to wheat when I was ill, no longer a problem at all.
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I am having trouble deciphering just what the therapy entails.
Could you sum it up, so I can understand, GiGi?
Is it drops that you take?
Thank you so much.
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collect all your questions here and I will send the translated questions, reasonably specific and short, to Allergy Immun. If you read the thread "Allergy Immun Germany" running on LN and the Information on the website, you will understand. I have been told that all celiac people who have done the therapy have been helped.
It is impossible for me to tell all the details here. Please take the time and study the site. If you have a friend or relative, have them call with your questions to AI, they always answer the phone and attempt to answer all questions. I have never called there and not found anyone at home during their regular business hours. The support is always there, but they do speak German only.
Usually google translated questions send to them by e-mail come back rather unclear and you really need someone to help you with the questions directly. There are now some practitioners named on the AI website that support the therapy from here. Not sure about them. You will just have to do some legwork and read and learn to understand the process and find out.
Take care.
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General and in brief, the you send AI a sample saliva or blood saliva and they will send you a small bottle containing enough "informed water" that contains the correcting frequencies for the DNA. You take 5 drops three times a day for 14 days. On day 15, you send them the next saliva or blood sample, and you will receive another similar type bottle with correcting frequencies that are now being found after the first bottle has corrected the DNA. You repeat the same thing -- 3x 5 drop for 14 days, and again on day 15 sending off another sample.
With each sample, you send a short note telling #1, what has improved for you; #2 what has gotten worse if any; and #3 what has remained.
This process is repeated continuously until AI tells you they can no longer find any errors in your DNA.
The errors (aka dysregulations or allergies) are eliminated as you go from bottle to bottle. On the first bottle, you usually eliminate all allergies toward grain, allergies toward mucors, allergies toward heavy metals (these are the worst, because they keep you toxic as long as your immune system cannot release the stored metal toxins.)
It first test results will show up in a 16 page report giving all the problems found and eliminated/corrected with the first bottle. It also includes inherited miasms, inherited allergies, emotional unresolved conflicts showing themselves in form of dysregulations/allergies. Yes, you can be allergic to the color red because some of some emotional connection --- like the guy that did you bad, wore a red tie.
As the toxins from grain, corn, soy, dairy, etc have been eliminated, the body will start to shift into a new mechanism slowly bringing back order into the immune system.
I liken the procedure to the car that took the wrong turn, followed by another wrong turn and following these totally got lost and could not find its way to where it was supposed to you.
Or a hundred christmas lights rolled into a ball holding one bad light that then stopped to let many others no longer light up -- things got dark.
Untangling the many mistakes that happen often over a lifetime or caused by a severe disease process that all of us with serious Lyme are dealing with.
Hope that tells basically how it works.
It takes time - the toxins that have been stored for years cannot all be pushed out at one time - we would have trouble surviving that. So gradually you will start experiencing the difference from feeling crummy to clearing up. My brain today feels totally crisp and clean - quite a change after having walked around for years in mercury fog and chemical fogs, etc.
It is wonderful when you finally reach that state.
I can only encourage you to do it - and prepare and go at it with patience. It took me almost two years to get rid of all sensitivities, but I will be 80 yearsold in few months -- so my load was considerable. But I also, thankfully, got rid of a severe case of Lyme and half a dozen co-infections.
If you decide to do the therapy, stick with it and try to avoid unnecessary chemicals, etc. After all, it is just that kind of stuff the AI therapy is trying to dig up and out of your body.
Try to read some of the info on the running thread - about 3000 posts.
Take care.
No, dear friends, including some of you most suspicious people who have accused me, I don't get a penny for telling you about this. I take great pleasure as I have done for many years on this board of trying to help people. This is what I had promised myself if I ever manage to get out from under Lyme. I did and it feels superb.
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Thank you for all the info, GiGi!
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Well I have read alot about this over the months but my confusion has always come back to can this treatment be done during lyme treatment. I've seen so many mixed responses to this on the board; I'm still not sure if one can or can not do both at the same time. If anyone knows the real answer to that it would be greatly appreciated.
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AI recommends that abx not be taken and only in an acute situation.
If you can't do that, do whatever you feel you must. But I am fully and totally convinced that you cannot detox when allergic i.e. your immune system suffers due to dysregulations in the DNA. That is what AI is correcting if you stay with it. It worked wonders for me and many others.
Take care.
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Thanks for you sharing your insight. I was 700 percent over on mercury and have had 18 DMPS chleations. I may have another 10 to 12 to go but won't know till I get there!
If the allergies cause inflamation and the body has difficulty healing the problem (CFS, lyme etc.)because of the inflamation, it really makes sense to clear the allergy and inflamation.
I had read the AI website via translation and was having a hard time understanding it, my brain is still waiting to get clear and crisp.
Please note "you do not write like an 80 year old."
All the Best, MattH
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It's only $670. Compared to the time and money I've spent on lyme, it's a drop in the bucket. but, does it eliminate parasites?
I'm kind of confused. Prior to lyme I didn't have any allergies (that I knew of). I've got gluten and sugar sensitivity now. Does it eliminate that?
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It does not eliminate parasites per Grundmeyer but it does help the body to recognize that they should not be there. I actually think I got rid of a few while on the drops but went further with parasitic treatment.
When there is so much chaos going on from chronic illness, metals, parasites, fungus etc., our bodies no longer know friend from foe. So... if it starts to recognize parasites as foe, you may get rid of some but if they have gotten the upper hand, it will probably take treatment.
It does eliminate food allergies but understand, if gluten is checked off on your report it means you were most likely born with that issue and it will take time for your gut to heal. Took a few months for me. I eat wheat/gluten whenever I want now and have no reaction at all.
He does not believe in elimination diets while on the drops unless you have life threatening reactions. A little here and there so your body starts to realize it does not need to go on the attack.
Yes, $670 is not a lot when you consider that most people are on it for at least a year, sometimes two. That price covers the whole thing.
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Can this AI therapy be done if one has metal fillings in one's mouth?
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I am sure it could be done with fillings in the mouth. But it makes little sense to keep toxic metal in the body - undoubtedly it will take its toll somehow at some point in life. Have you seen the smoking tooth? Whether mercury fills your teeth and eventually the billions of nerve endings in the gut or the brain, what do you gain?
Dr. K. will not consider treating anyone with mercury fillings in the mouth, because mercury is a major contributor to Lyme and pathogens taking up housekeeping in our body.
Think it over carefully.
Take care.
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I am allergic to the acryllic alternative to metal fillings.
My RBC cell mercury level is almost undetectable. I do not have any mercury on hair analysis. Most all the symptoms I have now, I had before I ever had any fillings.
And the famous Dr. K did agree to treat me in spite of the fillings.
So, I ask again, is it safe to use the AI treatments if one has the metal fillings or not?
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Most people I have gotten to know over the years who were metal toxic did not have any mercury show in their hair. Normally, the explanation is that the mercury is not getting into the blood stream and therefore not into the hair. That is exactly the reason why we know that if mercury does not show in the hair, it is elsewhere in hiding. If you are lucky enough that you don't have any remaining in the body, why are you concerned.
Mercury can be passed down from Mom, fillings or not. Mercury is in our daily environment.
Ask Dr. K. what he thinks and ask the people at AI. AI I know is not concerned with fillings. I must be missing something if Dr. K. treats anybody with amalgams in the mouth unless there are extraordinary circumstances that you are not telling here. I have known him personally for many years and doubt that he changes his approach to treating chronic disease in the presence of amalgam fillings, unless there are specific reasons for doing so.
And anything I say about AI is from my own experience and that of many others. I wouldn't dare telling you AI treatment in your case is safe or not safe. You will have to find that out yourself, because you know your own condition best.
Please find out and let everyone know.
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I get so sick of people giving me the whole pile of stuff about mercury when that's not what I'm asking. Because I don't have another option besides metal fillings.
So thank you for finally answering my question.
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This basically seems to be some sort of customized homeopathy and adheres to similar principles of energy medicine. Its good that people are having positive experiences, but do remember that as of now, there is no proof that this therapy or even the theory behind it, is valid.
The website practically says "We know you're desperate, so you'll look to something with an unproven methodology to get well. That will be $600+ please!" THIS is the kind of stuff that is the reason that energy medicine (and a lot of "alternative" medicine) is not taken seriously or investigated for its benefits and limitations.
Germany has a much better outlook on CAM in terms of funding and running studies compared to the US. Thus, I'd like to see these tests available for a pittance. They would instantly be funded for a proper double-blind placebo controlled study, if say... 100 patients who went into anaphalaxic shock when exposed to peanuts (or similar - shellfish etc...) ended up completely cured in a course of this treatment. If these therapies are only used on protracted chronic conditions that have subjective improvements, it furthers the idea they don't really work at all!
Homeopathy, Rife/Biophoton, Allergie-Immun, etc... I'm not sure why someone hasn't thought of testing these on "easy" conditions with allopathic cures to prove the theory is sound. Cure someone's strep throat with homeopathic preparations just as effectively with antibiotics. Lower bad cholesterol levels. Treat something measurable. Wouldn't the ultimate test of Allergie-Immun be something like curing diabetes in a patient? If it works, that's unprecedented!
I've been contemplating Allergie-Immun therapy myself if for nothing else than as an experiment, but paying all that money for something without a known methodology doesn't sit well with me. I wonder...has someone ever taken their Allergie Immun results/medicine to another sort of energy medicine professional and asked them to confirm the contents? If so, do they come up with the "right" ingredients? Do multiple practitioners discern it contains multiple things?
Even without formal study, I'm glad to see posts that report patients showing measurable objective changes. I just wish it didn't require a $600+ leap of faith - that just seems to be counter to spreading the new paradigm they champion.
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Acrylic is made up of many different substances, fibers, polymers, etc. If you are allergic to even one of the hundred that make up an acrylic, your immune system may be unable to regulate the substance, i.e. you are allergic to it.
That same holds true for all that enters your energy field. We are talking energy/frequencies, not homeopathics. Correcting electromagnetic information errors in the DNA.
It is rather naive to want a study that would put some of the pharmas out of business. I am not expecting this to happen anytime soon.
Their study of a couple hundred cases is available. In fact, I translated and posted it on the thread many months ago.
Why should I take my end results to another for confirmtion???? The fact that I no longer react to any substance whatsowever is enough confirmation for me.
Hurray for placibos!
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Let's say I get lyme and company to where I'm actually 95-100% most days. Would it help to do AI then? I'd be off all the antibiotics, just on immune support and nutritional supplements.
The whole thing sounds good, but without being able to do this while on antibiotics, it's not an option for me, at least now.
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Razzle -- I did not see any warnings on their website regarding the metal fillings. I would suggest you ask them that question. If you do in english, just try to keep it as simple basic english sentences as possible.
It is also possible that after AI treatment, you will find yourself no longer allergic to the acrylic fillings.
apljack -- FYI, I did AI along with antibiotics, so, while AI may say that it is not ideal, it can be done. I do feel that I enormously benefited from both AI and the antibiotics while I was doing both. However, if you are close to no longer needing antibiotics, then it probably makes a lot of sense to wait until you are done with them. It still could help a lot afterwards, for sure.
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To All considering PSP therapy from AIT:
Please be very careful with this therapy. I finished 14 rounds and have been off it for 6 months now.
This therapy takes a very long time and unlike the few posters here, all of the people I've communicated with via email feel as horrible as I do right now. They won't post this though because of the backlash / peer pressure.
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Ping, will you please elaborate more? I'm sure there are people here wanting to hear what you have to say (and the others). We should be able to discuss this in a civilized fashion without expecting everyone to agree. You can safely post .... if someone is rude, click the report post icon below the post in question, and I will edit/delete the rude post.
I am well from Lyme, but have a severe shellfish allergy. I am trying to lower my level of response to the shellfish and chose to use AI to try to reregulate my body so I can safely eat out in restaurants without anaphylactic reactions all time from contamination. I never expect to eat shellfish.
I have noticed my body detoxifying with the AI protocol. If you're familiar with iridology, my "scurf rim" has diminished noticeably.
Am I to understand that AI made you feel worse? Will you please elaborate? Thanks for your perspective.
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six, I will post a response on the AI thread so it will be official when I have a chance to do so. As for the others, I've also asked them to post in order to give a balanced report of results. They won't do it, as they feel minimized by the responses of others, esp. those who are pushing this tx; not necessarily what you as a Moderator would call rude, but rude in their eyes nonetheless.
Will post on the AI thread as soon as things slow down here...
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The initial post on this thread implies that all food allergies exist at the DNA level.
It's plausible that some food allergies exist at the DNA level and are inherent in some people, I don't have a problem believing that.
But there are different kinds of food allergies that result from leaky gut, which can be caused by a number of things, particularly toxic body burden and the resulting terrain issues that it causes.
The way it was explained to me, food allergies caused by the leaky gut occur because the gut permeability causes components of foods to leak into the body cavity, which is not normal. When the immune system sees this repeated for a particular food it interprets it as a foreign invader and thus develops antibodies to attack it. So it's an autoimmune reaction that develops as a result of the leaky gut, not due to someone's DNA.
For instance, all my life, I was never allergic to SOY. But when I first got sick, I was drinking soy milk at breakfast every day. Because I had the soy milk (vanilla flavored) every day and a leaky gut, likely from mercury poisoning, I developed food allergies to soy and vanilla (and many other things).
In fact, with leaky gut, a person is bound to DEVELOP a food allergy to almost ANY food that they eat on a daily basis, or any frequency more often than every 5 days.
When I was later tested for food allergies, the test results came back as expected. I was allergic to almost EVERY food that I ate frequently.
I was not allergic to dairy, wheat, yeast, peanuts or chocolate. And the explanation is simple. It's because I rarely ate those things.
I remember a doctor telling me that dairy, wheat, and chocolate were the most common food allergies. That's probably true for the other kind of food allergies, the one's inherent in someone's DNA, but not necessarily for those caused by leaky gut as in my case.
It seems very logical to me that if someone has food allergies at the DNA level that they were born with, that AI can correct them, IF AI really lives up to its billing.
But since food allergies caused by the leaky gut have nothing to do with someone's DNA, I don't see how AI could possibly correct them.
Claiming that AI can help heal the leaky gut by getting rid of the food allergies seems like backward logic. It's healing the leaky gut that stops the development of food allergies, not the other way around.
And the only way I know of to heal the leaky gut is with an elimination/rotation/reintroduction diet plus supplements that work as tissue healing agents. Continuing to eat foods to which one is allergic will just keep aggravating the gut.
I've read things where people say that ALL Lyme patients or people with leaky gut should stay away from dairy, wheat, and grains.
My question is, how can anyone make such a blanket statement like that? If a person is not proven to be allergic to those things, then why should he/she avoid them as long as they're rotating them and not repeating consumption more frequently than every 5 days?
I'm getting a little bit off track here, but again my main point is that I don't see how AI, which claims to correct DNA problems can correct food allergies that are not caused by DNA problems. It just doesn't make sense.
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Ping, I was going to PM you but you have it disabled. If you report this post, I will have your email address and you will have mine. I don't want either of us to have to post our emails on the board, but I would like to correspond a little if you have the time.
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My understanding is that leaky gut can be caused by heavy metals.
The word "allergie" is used with the Greek meaning attached - incorrect response.
If there is an incorrect response to metals and you are trying to heal a leaky gut.....
Most everyone had lead, mercury, nickel and copper checked off as not being recognized as toxic along with a high number in the area of metals being recirculated.
I can only share my experience in that all seemed to change, leaky gut, metal toxicity and food sensitivities. I did not avoid any foods at all during the therapy.
I guess what I am trying to say is that if your food allergies are caused by leaky gut, I think AI takes care of the reason behind leaky gut (which could be something at a DNA level - like metals).
I like to hear peoples experience with this therapy, no matter what.
I always tried to share frankly what I went through, even when it was downright brutal! No one ever slapped my hand.
The drops worked for a very,very long time after I was finished. It seemed the real work involved was being aware of what was being detoxed and helping it along or mopping it up. If I didn't didn't it right, there was discomfort - it is work.
The body seems to start making corrections on its own once the major load is taken care of - which I think is the whole idea - giving your body a chance to do its work the best it can.
This last bottle I received due to a recent tick bite, showed a couple of chemicals and 2 energetic blockages. I am treating parasites so that does not surprise me. That is another example though - parasites never showed up for me until the burden was lightened.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Ping, I was going to PM you but you have it disabled. If you report this post, I will have your email address and you will have mine. I don't want either of us to have to post our emails on the board, but I would like to correspond a little if you have the time.
I'll be around here for another couple of minutes, then, a meeting. I'll be here through EOB Wed., then, home to rest for about 5 days. Go ahead and email me, I'll surely answer.
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This therapy has been pushed heavily here and those who question it have been ostracized. Fact is, there is no description or explanation anywhere regarding how the 'DNA errors' are measured and the 'informed water' drops are made despite repeated requests by many. Rife, EAV, homeopathy, and other energy medicines have clear, well-explained premises for the way they work (whether you agree with them or not). AI has yet to explain anything. It's highly unlikely it's anything different than homeopathic drops that are made on an EAV machine for which most practitioners will charge $10-$20 a bottle (and you will have the benefit of having the reading for the frequencies taken directly from your body rather than a sample of bodily fluids).
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Honestly, I don't care about people who question it. There's always somebody to question something (myself included). But like Six, I would love to hear from those who've tried it.
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All the questions that anyone can possibly have are answered if you take the time and make the effort to use the google translator. You can read for hours and gain an understanding of the therapy. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=it&langpair=de|en&u=http://www.allergie-immun.de/ You may want to start with the section Questions and Answers. The translation may not always be perfect, but I have no problem understanding most of the English just fine. So give it a try if you don't trust what I have had to say or what others who have reported tell about their experience.
There is a lot that I cannot explain because I simply do not know the very details of how it is done. Again, for me and mine it is a Godsent because it finally helped to put the immune system on notice to move the toxic metals and chemicals that were only moving with great difficulty prior to opening some of the pathways.
My first inquiry to my doctor friends was "how long does it take a leaky gut to heal". It got different answers but all varied in the area of 9 month to two years.
Many people have a problem understanding ART, including me, because I could not give you a total scientific explanation that would make sense to everyone. I have the same problem with AI. If I had the opportunity to go to Germany and sit with them for a few days, I know I would be able to tell more. The owners of the company have tried patiently to answer my questions.
I don't expect them to tell me every detail because the process is being patented. Some people try and fail. If the therapy is not completed or if, as is well explained in the website, the body will correct on an ongoing basis long after the last drop is taken, it is premature to send "be careful" signals.
I remember from my own process going through the therapy that there were moments or a day or two where my body was not at ease. But it is well explained on the website that there can be short periods of negatives.
I heard about AI from a trusted friend, a practitioner who deals with patients with similar problems many of us faced, and AI is used with literally every patient because it clears the way to many of the problems brought about by a messed up ANS (Autonomic Nervous System). The therapy opens many doors to other problems that are obscured by the dysregulations that I faced and many face.
I will admit the language is a problem, but that's the way it is. Use the google translator and find more answers that you have not found here in this long thread. All the answers are there.
A half baked cake never tasted good - at least be fair. I believe Ping has been reporting her unhappiness for many months/couple of years.
Again, it is not for everyone. On the other end, some wonderful things have happened to some people who are reporting here.
Take care.
P.S. Eds, no this therapy is not for everybody. But it is the only therapy that I have found in my many years of searching that actually works, at least as far as the most toxic and debilitating problems are concerned. No, it is not based on homeopathy. That word came directly to me from the scientist/researcher owner whose father started the work some twenty years ago. I also understand there is a close connection with Dr. Fritz Popp who has done marvelous work with light. But then again, see if you can find out how, learn it, do it, and see what you can do with it. That would be wonderful for you and put your mind at ease. Maybe a hidden genius.
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I think when it comes to energy medicine, it just can't be explained, at least not the way our scientific western minds want it explained. I'm ok with that and I will probably try AI one of these days.
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GiGi, you have said that AI can clear the body's allergies to metals and also heal the leaky gut.
It has also been said that no one should attempt to try to detox metals if they have a leaky gut.
Well with AI, you don't have a choice. If it works on metal allergies on the first rounds, then it's obviously going to do this before the leaky gut is fixed.
Hence, the therapy should be prohibitive for anyone with leaky gut and heavy metals.
So without even asking for a scientific explanation, these are the kinds of things that raise real concerns.
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This is a smidge off topic but I'm going to ask anyway. I believe I have a bad case of leaky gut but am about to test for heavy metals tomorrow and am concerned that it may not be safe b/c I believe the pills I am to take before starting the test are chelators, aren't they? Is this not safe to do w/severe leaky gut? I have been having terrible allergic reactions lately and am allergic to everything so I'm really worried.
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DMSA challenge test? A doctor prescribed this for me to test for mercury. After researching it, I threw the pills in the trash. But that's me.
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So I consider myself middle of the road on this issue, but i do have to wonder about the claims of being ostracized if one posts critical comments on AI. Maybe you could reference some of the threads where this occured?
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So I consider myself middle of the road on this issue, but i do have to wonder about the claims of being ostracized if one posts critical comments on AI. Maybe you could reference some of the threads where this occured?
Chaps- My thought is that perhaps you should have thrown whatever research you used in the trash and kept your pills. But that's me
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Please forgive my many questions. I am new and am beginning to realize I've just scratched the surface of my current health situation. I have been to all the mainstream western medical specialists I could find, yet have not gotten anywhere in terms of a diagnosis. I am just becoming aware of the whole other world of naturopathic and holistic treatment options out there, and don't know where to begin.
I too have been suffering from severe food sensitivities/new food allergies. I have never had trouble eating anything in the past and no diagnosed allergies at all. I did extensive food allergy testing with a "traditional allergist"-both RAST and skin testing, and all results were negative. I was told I probably had "non IgE mediated food allergies", and sent home. I am literally down to about 4-5 foods I can tolerate now and am so concerned about becoming sensitive to these as well because my diet lacks variety and rotation, but have no idea how to identify my sensitivities and plan a rotation diet on my own.
I have also been told that I probably have a leaky gut which is causing my current hyper-reactive state. I recently began seeing a chiro who has begun some energy work and homeopathic allergy treatment. Although he is compassionate and the treatments are helping somewhat, I still feel like the testing has been vague and I have not gotten enough information about what to actually eat and when. I need proper diagnostic tests for food sensitivity and leaky gut. I'm wondering how to go about identifying "non IgE mediated food allergies"? I am interested in getting accurate food sensitivity testing done that would include prescriptive food elimination and rotation suggestions. I am aware of ELISA and ALCAT testing, and know that some labs will test with samples sent through the mail. I would rather see a professional and begin this massive challenge under the care of a competent practitioner. Any recommendations for a naturopathic dr/treatment center in the Chicago area until I can get in to the LLMD I am on the waiting list to see in late summer? I have lost quite a bit of weight and am concerned about vitamin deficiency, but it seems just about everything is making me sick right now, including many supplements.
I apologize if this is not the right place for posting such questions...I'm just learning to navigate this site and am so very thankful for any suggestions at this point. I have already learned so much from your resources! Thank you for your patience!
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Yes, the DMSA challenge test. My LLMD ordered this test. I don't know what to do now.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: ...it is premature to send "be careful" signals.
...A half baked cake never tasted good - at least be fair. I believe Ping has been reporting her unhappiness for many months/couple of years.
It is NEVER premature or unfair to say "Be Careful"!
The excerpts from GiGi's post above is why the others who feel ill on PSP will not post here. She always 'explains' everyone else's posts. The only thing "half-baked" here is GiGi's constant pushing of various agendas (since I started watching this site in 2002).
News flash: It's NOT about you, GiGi! It's about ALL of us!
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tickled1- It is not clear what your concerns are. Are you concerned about the accuracy of the testing or the treatment protocols which are likely to be suggested from the results?
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I'm concerned about reacting to the pills b/c I've been having allergic reactions nonstop for mos. lately. B/c I'm already loaded with toxins, I'm concerned about no being able to handle metals that are released and that they may be redeposited elsewhere like the CNS. I wasn't told to take binders afterward and I do have fillings in my mouth. I think a bad case of leaky gut is contributing to my sensitivities and if DMSA is dangerous w/leaky gut that worries me. I had a terrible reaction the day after I had my first infrared sauna and it could have possibly been that heavy metals were released and went into my nervous system.
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KPU Parasites Toxic metals followed by fungal release; chemicals Unresolved emotional conflicts -- at the base of ill health EMF exposure Mold in your immediate surrounding Nutritional deficits
All these are factors that will not go away without help. AI will not address these directly. Read the website with google translator to understand AI more fully.
Leaky gut is the end result of all the above. In order to heal leaky gut, the above, the toxins and parasites have to be addressed first. Leaky gut is caused by the toxins. Remove the toxins and other causes -- then leaky gut will be able to heal. You can't stop burning holes in your shirt if the iron is still too hot! The metals and toxins, including emotionals and environmentals, are causing the gut damage and subsequent neurological problems.
You need a knowledgable doctor to guide you. I have been trying to share for years what my doctor taught me. This is not my agenda - never has been. It is what I learned and what helped me to get back to life. I talk about the stuff that works if applied in the right way.
No, it's not about me, Ping. I have nothing to gain but satisfaction from people who appreciate my contribution. If you don't feel that way, so be it. Nobody forces you or anyone else to read one word of my posts.
Tickled1, it is not a good idea to try to detox metals if you still carry amalgam in your mouth. I also have been warning about doing sauna too early in the detox phase. The danger of moving the metals into the brain is too real. Please check with a doctor who understands the metal detox process.
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: ...No, it's not about me, Ping. I have nothing to gain but satisfaction from people who appreciate my contribution. If you don't feel that way, so be it. Nobody forces you or anyone else to read one word of my posts....
GiGi, anytime you want to stop acknowledging me is fine. The AI thread is not your "post", but you've managed to push people off of it.
I'll go back to the AI thread now and wait for you to 'explain' my posts, since this thread actually does belong to you.
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I am not sure I understand your first post on this thread. On the AI thread you said you were one of the few who did not have food allergies. So, how could you ever have had celiac if wheat did not show on you AI test and thus how could celiac now be gone?
Quote from you,Gigi from page 6 of the AI thread, "P.S. Of all the some 15 tests I have seen, I was the only one that did not have any wheat or food allergies. Maybe this is the reason I was able to get over Lyme rather quickly, especially at my age. This is my take on it. Wheat intolerance, even hidden, was my husband's downfall, because it results in poor nutrient absorption for many years (leaky gut, etc.)
Just unsure of what you meant by your first post on this thread.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: ...it is premature to send "be careful" signals.
...A half baked cake never tasted good - at least be fair. I believe Ping has been reporting her unhappiness for many months/couple of years.
It is NEVER premature or unfair to say "Be Careful"!
The excerpts from GiGi's post above is why the others who feel ill on PSP will not post here. She always 'explains' everyone else's posts. The only thing "half-baked" here is GiGi's constant pushing of various agendas (since I started watching this site in 2002).
News flash: It's NOT about you, GiGi! It's about ALL of us!
You are not the only one who has noticed the 'agenda pushing' of Gigi (which has changed many times over the years).
I am interested in this therapy, but, like with all other therapies, I want to know the bad stories as well as the good ones.
Sometimes it's more important for us to see the failures so we recognize the potential dangers and don't get lost in the rainbows and soft puppy tummies of wonderfulness that comes when reading of one brilliant success after another.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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Lee - think she was referring to her husband in the original post. She did not have wheat allergie.
Hiker- I am not surprised at all that he found some chemicals as I stated in my post - even after all this time. With all we are exposed to daily and the fact that I am taking some heavy duty pharma to deal with parasites..... I expected that.
Could he find chemicals forever? Probably. Will I go looking for them forever? Probably not.
The reason I sent a new saliva sample in the first place was because I wanted him to look at the tick I took off my neck.
If my immune system is now strong enough to deal with it and the other 3 ticks bites I have had since starting the drops, I am happy with that.
So - I'm sure I will get punched in the jaw for defending Gigi but all I can say is that I have been a guest in her home many times, have looked her in the eye and asked the hard questions. She is as honest as the day is long and perhaps too honest for some. Written words are not the best form of communication. Just the way it is.
Her personal friendship with Dr. K has allowed many here to have access to some great information and help.
So if you feel she is pushing agendas, weed through it. I have seen people approach her at seminars and thank her for saving their life. I fall into that category so have at me.
Wishing you all health and happiness.
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This will be the first and only offering I will post on this thread. The AI drops played a huge part in giving me my life back period. That coupled with working a qualified ART practitioner to keep unpeeling the onion. I suggest that those who want to get well not dwell on the negative voices, of people who self sabotage their own progress and try to pull others down. Please do not send me personal mailings; I won't look at them. I am getting on with my one and only precious life and sticking with kindred spirits who are moving forward instead of muddling in the mire.
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I am still 'on the fence' as to whether AI is helping me [I have not yet finished] and feel that it is necessary to wait for quite some time after ending the therapy before you are in a fair position to appraise it, especially if, like me, you have been ill a long time.
AI certainly do not claim 100% success rate anyway, which in the world of Lyme would be highly unrealistic for any protocol. Some people are helped and that's to be cheered.
Of course it is important that varied experiences and points of view are aired openly about this or any other treatment in order to give others a fair picture before committing themselves.
Personally, I prefer it when these 'varied' points of view are free from antagonism,
quote:Originally posted by ukcarry: [QB] Of course it is important that varied experiences and points of view are aired openly about this or any other treatment in order to give others a fair picture before committing themselves.
Personally, I prefer it when these 'varied' points of view are free from antagonism,
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Well said.
I have finished round three. After round one, my digestion was improved and I could eat a lot more raw foods than before. This had been a lingering problem for me after treatment. I could eat a side salad, but not a salad meal. Now the raw foods are fine for me.
Round 2 brought a big healing reaction that was much like a head cold though no one else was sick. I had a fever and spent two days sick in bed. When it passed, I didn't have the seasonal allergies I had before the reaction. I still have not had the seasonal allergies come back to the extent I had them before.
Round 3. Nothing. I have no idea what it did.
My intuition is telling me right now that I need a break from AI. I'm waiting a couple weeks to send off for the next round.
If you know about iridology .... I have a big scurf rim. My scurf rim has gotten about half the size on AI, so it appears it's helping me detoxify.
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If a person feels passionately about something, he or she has the right to proclaim it from the rooftoops as fervently as they desire.
Others can heed or ignore as they see fit.
5 members of my family are on the AI therapy. 4 have experienced gradual, but very positive changes; 1 experienced nothing except feeling more fatigued.
If this therapy does nothing for that one - then so be it. We move on.
Blaming, acusing, and fighting are counterproductive to one's healing. Why waste all that precious energy?
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I stand by my post whether anyone likes it or not.
Those considering this therapy should prepare for 2 to 3 years of therapy and detox/recovery, combined.
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have gathered from reading the AI thread (which took me several months) that the ones who are significantly better from this therapy are the ones who had access to ART? and or use the biotensor?
I was told that I would be "shooting in the dark" if I didn't use the biotensor so I just assumed it wasn't for me.
Still... I would love to get rid of some allergies but if I'm not 100% into it, I don't want to do it.
I've looked high and low and and no ART practioner within 6 hours of me.
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Are allergies your only healh problem--if so, I, personally would not recommend AI, due to the long process of detoxing and how hard it has been personally for me to do AI and work fulltime.
If you have other health issues it might be of benefit.
I have a biotensor, but rarely use it. I rely more on a ring pendulum which you can make yourself. For me I tend to flick my wrist with the biotensor and don't always get a true result---but that is just me.
I don't have a ART practioner anywhere near, either. Sixgoofy seems to get along fine with her intuition. She was miles ahead of me with regaining her health while I was doing AI and she was not.
Each person is different and has to come to the best conclusion for their own health. For me, I rely on God's guidance.
I noticed Lee posted for a clarification on Gigi's original statement on this thread. I think he just wants to know if it is Gigi that has recovered from all allergies or if it is her husband. It does not mention her husband. I don't think Lee intended to obe rude-just wanted clarification.
Blessings to all-time for another Lymenet vacation.
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Ping - At one point here you said all the people who you communicated with and use AI therapy feel as horrible as you do. Does that mean thay you all felt even worse after therapy or that your were symptoms were unchanged?
hiker53 refers to the long detox process and the difficult for he/she to detox while working.
I assume this means you feel worse while on AI therapy?
Also would like to know what a biotensor is and why an ART practitioner is necessary
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Hey, c'mon folks. It's not fair to censure people for voicing the fact that they've done the therapy and they don't feel it's worked for them.
If this forum is manipulated to contain only positive testimonials, then it becomes misleading and void of usefulness to people (like myself) who want to see the WHOLE truth, not just the cases where people lived happily ever after.
That's like having a court in which the burden of proof is on the prosecution, but only the defense is allowed to present their case and call testimony.
I've seen forums before where you get a faction of people who become sort of a "good-ol'-boy" network that promotes a particular product and all they do is talk about how wonderful it is, even though it may have worked for only 2% of the people who have ever tried it.
Then when someone comes along and posts that said product did not do so well for them, the good-ol'-boy network converges upon that person like a pack of wolves, chastises them, paints them as a bad seed, and runs them off the forum.
It seems that's becoming the case with AI on this forum and that's unfortunate.
I think everyone would be better served if people didn't not get offended when others voice their lack of success and satisfaction with AI.
I've read a substantial portion of the AI thread and I think that I'm a person of reasonable intelligence, yet after all that reading, AI is still an enigma.
From what I've observed, it seems there are a lot of people who have done AI, some have said it's done nothing, a few (very few) have said it's been a major help, and the largest category are undecided. It seems there might be a lot who elect to discontinue without taking the therapy to its completion.
So it has been difficult to come to a conclusion about AI.
Some of the posts and threads concerning AI are like drive-by shootings. Someone makes a claim about how AI does this or that, but then when someone asks questions, they're told to go back and read Tolstoy's "War and Peace" (the whole AI thread). Hence, the drive-by shooting....taking a shot, then running away.
That kind of activity is counterproductive to building credibility on the part of those making the claims.
And this whole thing about ART and biotensors...
First of all, when it comes to ART testing, it's my understanding that scar tissue resulting from previous injuries can cause a person's energy flow to become "blocked" or "switched." In such cases when a person is "blocked" or "switched," the ART testing will not produce any valid results.
I know this because I went to a Klinghardt-trained ART practitioner. He spent an entire afternoon putting things in my energy field and pushing on my arm with no results. I was just as strong every time.
Finally, he gave me this laser light thingy and told me to shine the pulsating lasers on areas of my body where might have scar tissue from previous surgeries or injuries. The laser lights were supposed to clear the blockages.
Then I told him that I had internal hemorrhoid surgery just a couple of months prior and I couldn't very easily shove the laser light thing up my you-know-what.
And you folks know I'm not makin' this up because I posted about the problems I've had with hemorrhoids and the procedures that were done, the subsequent hemorrhaging and the consequent flare of babesia.
Anyway, I reluctantly shined the lasers on my butthole, (I remember looking at myself in the mirror while doing this and laughing, and asking myself, "have you gone absolutely crazy, man?") and other places where scar tissue might be. Then he did more of this ART testing and he claimed to get results. Frankly, I think my arm was just getting tired from having him push on it all day long up to that point, and I think he was pushing harder just to fake the results he wanted to get.
Notwithstanding my skepticism on ART in general, the question is, how is ART to be applied to AI? Are you supposed to test yourself for each bottle of drops? What do you do if you get a "no?" Stop the therapy after you've just spent $670? Send another DNA sample to them and tell them you want to skip that bottle?
Second, if someone is "blocked" or "switched" and doesn't know it, then doesn't that completely invalidate the ART testing?
And third of all, is everyone really capable of testing themselves with a tensor? Doesn't it take a certain degree of inborn talent or "gift" to be able to deal on that kind of cosmic level?
Because I gotta tell ya, my talent is all stacked in other areas. I am completely devoid of the metaphysical, cosmic, intuitive senses. I am really doubtful that all of this biotensor, pendulum, crystals, or tea leaves kind of stuff would work for me.
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All depends of the ART practitioner. My own doctor in WA and the others I have seen at seminars, including Dr. K, use a 3rd person for testing.
They are also able to tell quite quickly if you are blocked or switched and what is causing it, and what will "open you up." A good ART practitioner will know this. I am NOT saying yours is not good, don't know who it is.
I can check to see if I am open or blocked with a biotensor. I don't feel it is a special talent.
In terms or ART being applied to AI - I think people are referring to having help knowing what it is they are detoxing, what organs might be being affected and what a good support remedy might be to help them along - metals for example.
Detoxing heavy metals can be tricky and I for one want the guidance and help of a practitioner who has had a lot of experience with it.
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I'm about to start LDA or low dose allergens therapy brought into this country by Dr. Shrader - http://www.drshrader.com/. It is supposed to eliminate chemical, food and inhalant allergies and involves a shot or shots (not sure yet) every other month for two years. My LLMD likes it a lot and they do it in his office. I live in another state from him so will be doing it locally. There is a list of practitioners on his website.
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I use a pendulum for the testing. Before diagnosed with lyme, just dealing with various symptoms, I had gone to a couple different practitioners that both strongly encouraged me to learn some form of energy testing to do for myself. It took me about 1.5 years to learn it, just slowly trying here and there. I put forth the theory that maybe being really quite sick, particularly with neurological issues including some psychiatric in nature, does not lend itself well to learning this skill of testing on oneself. I don't think they, or anyone else I have presented the idea too yet, bought the idea, but I do still believe that matters. Sort of like the scar tissue idea--at some point you're just so messed up it's gunna be hard for it to work. Some people really do learn this self-testing thing very quickly, and others like me, do not.
The self-testing has helped enormously, and if it has helped me with AI, I would say NanaDubo's reasonsing would be why. It produced enormous detoxing during one stage, and while I don't remember anymore exactly what I did about it, I know during that period (and still now) I am always regularly checking what things I need for support and changing what I take regularly, and absolutely that helps, I do remember these adjustments helping with herxing time and again.
If I recount what has helped me get as far down this lyme journey that I am (not fully healed yet, for sure), I know that antibiotics and AI have been the two very big ones on the top of the list. It doesn't mean I couldn't eventually do it without one of them or even both. But, of the treatments I've done, they have been top of the list.
Still, I would list self energy testing as more valuable than either antibiotics or AI for me during this journey--not a treatment, but still, something that guides treatments so well that its value has been that great. In the absence of having this ability, I would thing an experienced practitioner to guide with detoxing and the like would be quite valuable. Absolutely, there are a lot of things I would not want to try in the absence of either self-testing or very experience practitioner leading the way.
Regarding energy testing the AI drops, I do it as a matter of habit or obsessive need-to-know/get-it-right or whatever you want to call that, and it always seems to test as 4 drops, 3 times a day, for 12 days; rather than their standard 5 drops, 3 times a day, for 14 days. The drops have always tested as good for me, so testing the drops and doing as my pendulum has said has PERHAPS allowed the treatment to be a little more gentle for me (4 drops instead of 5), but I'm confident doing as they directed would have produced very similar results.
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Chaps, you're funny. War and Peace .... appropriate on so many levels .....
I don't have a biotensor and I don't have someone to perform ART on me (though I've had it done three times and it's been very helpful, I've used it for what's on the surface to be done next rather than what supps to use since I've mainly used the Bionic + nosodes or homeopathics).
I can muscle test myself for what supps might be helpful, but my testing is very limited. And I, too, test AI every time and always get 5 drops 3 times per day for 14 days. I test every supp every time I take it. It's just habit now .... I started doing that when I was trying to learn to muscle test.
Oddly, I almost never test well for binders. I do test well for things that make things move, however.
I am not one of the fortunate ones to have a practitioner help me wade through this. I have been on my own since I got back from Germany in Nov. 2008. By Aug. 2009, I was better. I still have no symptoms. I am doing AI to hopefully help the deathly reactions I'm having to shellfish (I don't eat it, but some restaurant kitchens are sloppy).
Sometimes I think the simplicity of my treatment has been what has helped the most.
I've done three rounds of AI and just feel it's time to take a little break .... I'll probably send away for round 4 next week.
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I can honestly say I don't know if I would do AI therapy again presented the choice. I don't know if it is what caused the detoxing to begin or if that would have happened anyway.
But, I cannot change having done AI. I just know that most days I still do not feel well and cannot get the detoxing to end.
I know people say it takes time, but I started AI in January of 2009. You would think by this time the toxins would all be gone or the body would learn to live in harmony with the small amount left.
I do know that I will not take any more AI drops!
Never saw Gigi's answer to Lee whether her first post on this thread was about Gigi or about her husband. Nana spoke for her, but I would like to hear what Gigi has to say. Nana--please don't take offense at this last comment, but the post says nothing about Gigi's husband.
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The biotensor issue has been a problem for me as well. When I hold it or a pendulum, it is stone-cold dead. When my sister holds it, it will practically go and fetch the newspaper for her.
So my family does not use the biotensor--none of us can get it to move.
BUT, my kids, my husband, and I have been to an ART practitioner on one occasion for some guidance.I also discuss our health issues over the phone with her.
I found the ART testing to be amazingly accurate. For example, when my bottle of AI drops was held in my field, the practitioner said "You don't seem to want these anymore." It was my round 5 and I had just finished my 2 week cycle of taking the drops.
But when I sent in my next saliva sample to Germany, it came back with a note saying that I was done with the therapy-exactly what the ART showed.
Other health issues were identified and confirmed which led us to believe that ART was no joke. I'm not saying that all ART practitioners are created equal.
Like Chaps said, some people really have a gift in that area.
So our style of being on the AI therapy is not quite like others. We don't have the "cosmic" advantage of the biotensor, and we have only done ART once. I don't know if we can afford for all of us to do ART again, but at least we have an idea of what is going on with our bodies for now anyway.
The one person in our family who is having a hard time on the drops has historically had a hard time with everything. She has been the sickest all along and has not seen improvement with any kind of therapy. Treating Lyme, treating co-infections,detoxing from heavy metals, treating mold, killing off parasites---it is all shooting in the dark for her. Who knows what issue should be prioritized or what treatment?
The one ART appointment revealed not only an enormous amount of diagnostic information, but helpful individualized treatment information as well. So while the drops are doing their thing, my daughter has undertaken the slowest of all possible parasite treatments. It is THE one and only treatment her body has not staged a revolution against, and it is the treatment that was revealed through ART. We wouldn't have started this treatment on our own.
Progress for her will realistically be very very slow- while others in my fam have experienced some pretty amazing results from the AI drops: relief from debilitating anxiety (no more anxiety meds!), positive emotional changes, mood improvement,relief from motion sickness, relief from constipation...
So, no wonder AI generates so much controversy. Outcomes vary tremendously on this therapy, even among members of the same fam.
I do agree with a previous poster, that either ART or the biotensor (or pendulum) is a huge advantage to using the therapy. Those who don't have regular access to these supports (like us) are definitely at a disadvantage.
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Thank you, Nana. As you well know, I am busy right now with my husband in hospital and rehab and don't want to waste precious time. I have a full plate.
My husband had all grain allergies, leaky gut, and celiac which means that the body is unable to break down the gluten because it does not recognize it and because of that also cannot break down the enzymes. I had zero food allergies, but a lot of others.
If you look at your first test, enzyme blockage is very common with most ill people. Which means that nothing in the body works the way it should.
End of last year, I posted a note from AI telling me that they have had many, many with celiac, all of whom can eat everything again when done with the therapy. Since I have learned that often other allergies tie into the wheat/celiac/gluten problem, it stands to reason that you are not finished with AI until they tell you so. Sometimes the total therapy it even takes a few more tests after a short pause. That is the nature of the beast. It doesn't cost much extra. Why the problem?If you add any unwelcome substance while doing the therapy, of course that will show in the results during the therapy. It is not an error on AI's part. The testing is done in layers, layers, and sometimes the worm is nibbling at the core of the apple. AI explains it nicely.
It seems obvious from some comments that you need to read the site and threads and rethink some of your comments to reflect reality.
Sometimes as in my husband's case, the damage is too great, too late for the damage to be undone, or it takes a miracle. I am hoping for a miracle.
The longer one has been ill, the longer it takes for AI to find the corrections.
All else aside, I am very happy to have stumbled into AI and I am even more grateful to the people at AI who never stopped developing it further and despite all obstacles thrown their way by school medicin and professional complainers continue their healing and research.
We need more pioneers like them. And if you are still stuck somewhere in your wagon unable to turn it around, which is the intent of AI to find home base, as HG always says, "stay with the ball". Shooting in the dark works (without ART, tensor, pendulum, but not nearly as well.
If your autonomics are way out of sync, as is the case with literally every lymed person, you have to detox enough before the pendulum, tensor, etc. can give you the sense of direction. The body in that condition is blocked one second and regulation open the next and that is why these instruments are difficult until some of the air is cleared. Scars on the body act in a similar way - they shoot electric signals all over creation and testing is very difficult until the scars are calmed down with neural therapy, laser, etc. I played with a pendulum getting the wrong answers for a couple of years. I was unable to use the tensor - body with dead energy until some clearing of toxins had been done via doctor or practitioner guidance.
If you don't have access to any such person, it can be learned easily. You have the internet to find a teacher. I have taught several. It can tie in nicely with learning ART I. And it is neither woodoo nor whatever, it is based on simple polarities - electromagnetic charges -
Take care.
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I can say (at least for myself) that AI has been played a HUGE role in detoxification for me. Everything elses seem to be falling into place.
Three years ago all my tests were off the charts for lead, mercury and a few others. They have come down over time during AI.
I just received 13 pages of test results from a recent Genova Diagnostics test called NutraEval. Lots involved with this test.
It tests for oxidative stress, minerals, B vitamins, essential fatty acids, functional imbalances, Krebs cycle, mitochondrial metabolites, amino acids, cardiovascular risk, heavy metals - the list goes on.
My mercury level is now not measurable and lead is barely there.
Since I have done nothing other than AI, organ support, minerals and binders for two years - this is a pretty dramatic change. No "chelation" involved and I was unable to move any of this for a solid year of trying before AI.
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OK, so I just had my amalgams out--lots of them. My urine (porphyrins) test and hair analysis did not show mercury. So it's possible that I have an allergy to mercury and my body is not excreting it even though it is stored in the brain and fatty tissues.
Seems to me that AI would be the thing to do to clear the allergy, right? --Because NAET is not permanent (not to mention that I don't believe in NAET).
BUT, there's that question that comes up again: With leaky gut, is it premature to start trying to get the body to excrete mercury?
One thing about AI, once you clear a dysregulation, you can't turn it off on if the body dumps too many metals too fast.
At least with other therapies you can back off if you have to.
This whole leaky gut thing is really bugging me. I've never heard a medical or naturopath say anything about healing leaky gut before chelating. They just say, get those metals out.
Healing leaky gut can take a long time and I'm not in the mood for screwing around with something that doctors don't address.
Does this "heal-the-leaky-gut-before-chelating" thing come from Huggins? Because if it does, then I know to ignore it. If Huggins really knew what he was talking about I'd be dead right now because I didn't listen to a lot of the nonsense he preaches before having my fillings out. I think the man was a good pioneer many years ago, but he's since lost his mind and has gone way overboard in some areas and has crossed the line into the realm of quackdom. Many dentists agree, in fact the IAOMT doesn't even take him seriously any more.
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Chaps - how did your base minerals look on the hair test?
Everything I have read says if no mercury shows up and the "good minerals" are all over the place and on the low end, it points to the inability to excrete heavy metals. My doc in WA says this as well.
Heavy metals are a big contributor to leaky gut so I don't know how one would go about healing it before getting rid of metals. Don't know anything about Huggins. I think it is Chiquita Incognita that quotes him about healing the gut before addressing metals. Could be check with her.
You do start to let go of metals with AI and you can't turn it off but you can support the organs and use well timed binders.
I think it's important to work with a knowledgeable practitioner when dealing with heavy metals.
Congratulations on having your amalgams out!
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When the hair analysis was done (and this was several years ago at the beginning of my illness) sodium, copper, manganese, and molybdenum were low. Potassium and cobalt were right on the line entering the normal range. The rest of the minerals were in the normal range. Phosphorus and selenium were toward the low end of the normal range, but still in the normal range. Zinc was good.
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...several years ago.....
Maybe you should do another hairtest. The essential minerals should all come out above the 50percentile line. Anything on the lefthand side of the test is not sufficient enough to detox anything.
And rule out KPU, even if your zinc level was "good". Metals deplete each other -- that is not a solution. You need to have the complete material on board to detox. Nothing much can happen or improve without a sufficient mineral base.
That has been my experience.
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For anyone interested in starting this therapy, I'd like to make a few clarifications.
First, I've never said PSP didn't work. What I've said is the people I've communicated with, as well as myself, who have finished the therapy AND also done the retest and finished those rounds (if any), are feeling ill at present. The term 'ill' is rather all inclusive, but they all include fatigue; described in ways from chronic to crushing fatigue. There are a variety of other sx's reported that come and go. Speaking for myself again, I can tell you that the fatigue I feel is chronic, with bouts of exhaustion and shortness of breath.
Second point: The fatigue and illnesses only came on well after early rounds; rounds 9-12 (and a few later) seems to be a sort of tipping point. Although nobody can claim absolute evidence, virtually all of us feel as if the toxins, etc. took many months to start moving (as was posted previously by others) and the consensus is that between rounds 9-12, it starts to become a serious influence. It appears that quite a few of us haven't moved through the point of severe fatigue/illness to the stage where all has cleared out and we don't know when that stage will be reached. This does not mean that the light at the end of the tunnel won't appear, just that only a few on this thread say they've reached that clearing point. Please keep in mind that virtually all of us felt & reported improvements (incl. foods, etc.), even reported feeling great during and through the first 8 or 9 rounds, so those of you working on round 5 or 6, you're not there yet.
All of us who are still suffering the effects of PSP wish we had taken this therapy much, much slower, as it might have avoided the 'log jam' of toxins trying to rush out of our bodies. Binders don't seem to be helping us at present and quite a few of us wish we hadn't wasted our money on these. (Had a big discussion on this one...) Knowing what I know now, I would have waited at least 2 months between rounds, even though it took longer to finish this treatment.
I wish many of you had waited until the vast majority of us 'firsters' had completely finished treatment and were at least done about 6 months before starting this treatment yourselves, but, que sera.
Best wishes to everyone!
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Hmm, Ping's most recent post clarifies the particulars of his/her case (and those of the others mentioned) but it only raises new questions and concerns, muddying the waters even more about the safety of AI.
For instance, if a person reached a particular degree of illness, is it better for them to battle certain pathogenic components of the illness rather than stirring up toxins that can compromise them and cause the illness to progress even further?
Is the severe fatigue/illness that Ping describes from detoxing action, is it from a progressed state of disease caused by AI mobilizing toxins that were previously "sleeping dogs?"
I'd hate to think that someone who is at a recoverable state of illness might with AI, put themselves at an unrecoverable state, when they might have gotten better by fighting the disease first, then getting rid of the toxins later--or at least by taking detox in a slower, more controlled manner.
I've heard NDs talk about "going very slowly" with heavy metal detox, not trying to take out too much at once to minimize risk to detoxing organs.
AI doesn't seem to give that kind of option, it seems to just unlock the gates and let it flow.
Taking a 2-mo. break in between rounds--so someone's case can go on for 4 or more years? Will they even let your case proceed for that long without charging the fees more than once?
It seems unsettling/disconcerting that the folks at AI are dispensing this therapy to people without testing for their current state of disease or degree of toxicity. It seems that they take a "one-size-fits-all" approach to it. And as Morty Seinfeld would say, "I don't like the sound of that!"
If a person has just a little mercury poisoning, or a whole lot, it makes no difference to AI. It's like saying, "here you go, let it fly" and it's the patient that incurs the consequences.
So with each round of drops, you're supposed to "energy test" yourself with a tensor, bobber, pendulum, crystals, someone pushing on your arm, a OUIJA board, tarot cards, something like that? And you're going to trust your life to this method of testing when you don't even know if you're "blocked" or "switched," which can throw the whole method of testing off-kilter? ---Please.
I've been to a few practitioners who have muscle tested me and none of them seemed to know what the hell they're doing.
So what am I supposed to do, travel all over creation to find a practitioner who really knows how to do this?
And even if I found such a practitioner, I've got to go to them with every round of drops and pay them their hourly fee just to find out if these drops are safe for me to take at the present time? And what if I test negative? How do I know "why" I tested negative and how do I fix it? What do I do, go back in another two weeks and pay them their hourly fee to get tested again?
Is it just me, or doesn't this whole process seem just a little bit ridiculous?
On the AI website, right above the "ORDER NOW" tab, (separate from the "legal" page that basically says, we don't guarantee that this works and it has no scientific basis, so whatever happens, you're on your own and we assume no liability) it says "the responsibility is entirely yours."
BOY, THEY AREN'T KIDDING!
Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shoot down AI.
I am very interested in it and I would jump at the chance to clear allergies and detoxify the body to enhance my recovery.
But I'm voicing my concerns that come to mind when I read about it.
In summary, by all accounts, AI seems to do SOMETHING.
The questions are, is it safe enough for everyone regardless of their degree of illness. I don't think it is based on what I've seen thus far.
If I'm dead wrong, please enlighten me.
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