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Thread: Bionic treatment was great!

I'm again banned from LN, so I can't post again. Whatever reasons, I don't
know.... I know another French person who has been banned too, so it may be that
all Europeans are banned?

Well, so I won't be able to answer questions here anymore, nor PMs. Sorry!!!

Please write in the Yahoo forum called Bionic 880/ PE1 Discussion group.

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To 17 Hens: teeth problem will go on until you get to remission and even after.

Gum and teeth are very affected by lyme and many infections, coinfections and
toxins. Specially root canaled teeth and the places where there were wisdom
teeth which were extracted (or still in the mouth) and places that once had
amalgams and got toxic.

If you got no amalgams or metals, you can use photons there to help. The best
though is to find out whether you got cavitations through energetic tests and
treat them. You can use ozone injections with procaine to treat them at least
temporarily and gain time, it is VERY INEXPENSIVE and fast. Or you can extract
the problematic teeth and clean the jaw from cavitation.

The most important is to find out what is the problem. Either infection or
toxins, usually. You got to treat each tooth like if it is an organ. They have
to test good, each of them. To do that test, you got to touch both the tooth and
the gum while asking questions, so that you get both problems (from teeth, gum
and jaw).

never ignore teeth problems as each of them can affect an organ or organs from
your body. Besides, when infection stays there, it is not good.

Either your body is developing infections there as part of 'peeling the onion'
process, or toxins are coming out (it is PAINFUL when toxins come out, at least
for me). Whatever it is, you got to help your teeth and gums to heal. Infrared
can help but it can also move heavy metals , so use with care and get your
binders ready!

In my feeling, both GI tract and teeth are vital for being healthy. When both
are in good health, you are a healthy person. When one is in trouble or both are
in trouble (even if you are symptomless aparently), there's is no health
possible.

First step is to discover what is the problem, tooth by tooth. When you get the
problem, treat it seriously, as though you are treating an organ in trouble.

All practioners following dr. K know about how important it is to treat the
mouth. I once heard him saying something like: "I usually ask the patient to
open his/her mouth. Just by looking at their mouth, I know how are their chances
to get better, if it will take long or if it will be fast!"

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To CANEFAN, abut candida:

I fought candida for MUCH longer than I fougth borrelia and lyme. For me, the
best treatment was:

- constant chelation with whatever method you think fits, but that has to go on
for years without interruption, and always changing substances and methods (KPU,
infrared, cholorella, cardamon powder in hot water, psychokinesiology,
chemicals, rubbed oils on skin, rubbed tinctures etc).

- diet (low carb, NO sugar, high protein diet, fewer fruits; allergen free; add
Rechtsregulat daily that are wonderful enzymes)

- Killers: mostly homeopathic from Sanum, like Albicansan then Sanukehl Candida;
or Pefrakehl then San. Cand; or Mucokehl then sometimes San Myc or San Cand;
Mucedokehl.

You can help killing by adding infrared in the GI area, with pulsed mode
(without nosodes). Always have something to bind toxins as they are VERY toxic
(more than borrelia, in my feeling).

Mucan, from Pekana helps with brain fog coming from candida or fungal die off.
But one needs LOADS of chlorella and other binders too.

Using plants or chemicals to kill like grapefruit seed extract, oregano oil,
salt in high amounts, vinager, pharma chemicals, whatever you choose, will NEVER
be as efficient as Sanum nosodes (or other candida nosodes). I can tell that by
experience. They help, but never get rid of CHRONIC candida or chronic fungal
infections.

If one does not chelate, it WILL come back. Think about lowering symptoms in the
first 6 months or so, then think about getting rid of the infection in a matter
of a couple of years, if on constant chelation. It's not something you can do in
a few weeks, if you see what I mean. You can though lower symptoms quite fast
and live an almost a normal life, while still on treatment.

Once symptoms disappear, I would continue chelation, and candida will ALWAYS
appear again while while on chelation. But this type of infection is milder and
easier to treat.

I don't know of any other treatment, in case you suffer from very chronic (long
term) candida. Certainly, stop ALL antibiotics as they bring only catastrophe.

All candidas and fungal infections start at the GI tract, no matter if you have
them on the skin or in you ear, or on the tongue and you think your GI works
wonderfully well. The source of infection is in the GI tract. It took me more
than 15 years to believe this theory, now I'm convinced!

Just killing will not get rid of chronic candida. Just diet won't either. Just
chelation, won't work as lots of heavy metals are hidden inside the body of
fungi and candida, so you need them dead to bind their heavy metals.

After 20 years of suffering, I think I got candida into control. It can still
come back sometimes in winter, but it is muuch weaker and easy to deal with (few
days on Sanum, light diet, it goes dormant).

I got more trouble to eliminate candida than borrelia. It was more stubborn for
me.

A new treatment that could also work is the Allergie-Immun treatment. But we're
still not well versed in that to know (at home). We're still testing it. I would
use it VERY slow and with care as I think it may take time to see good results
with it and there can be a sort of reverse effect in the beginning (like
allergies getting worse initially, or too many toxins building up too fast).

Whatever treatment is good for candida, is also good for lyme. That is my
general feeling. The same milieu where candida thrives is the milieu that
borrelia thrives.


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THE ABOVE POST IS FROM BRUSSELS. She is not able to post on here again. [bow] You have always been such a big help here!
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quote:
Originally posted by glm1111:
Just to add the teeth clenching feeling and grinding is on the symptom list for parasites.

PLEASE continue on the antiparasitics when you can because you do not want these things to hatch again. Gael

Gael, I just want to thank you for posting here. I appreciate your parasite wisdom for sure! And I will treat for them as soon as I possibly can. I think they might be causing more trouble for me right now than the babesia.

"I will get you, my pretty!! (Evil laughing!)"

And I look forward to sharing more award winning photos with everyone - shows off my true talents!

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Why can't Brussels / Selma, the most helpful person I've ever read, post here?
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Can we come up with a US proxy server that will allow them to gain access?

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I really liked Brussel's post.

Concerning the banning: I wish LymeNet would just get better forum software. Everything here seems so archaic, like it's a forum from the 1990's. The newer programs have so many protections against spamming that you wouldn't even need to block out entire countries. That's just my opinion.

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Reposted for Brussels...

Could you just add in that thread for CANEFAN that for Aspergilus niger, Sanum
has also a product called
Nigersan, that is recommended by dr. K. in most of his seminars. I never had to
fight Aspergilus for very long, so I didn't use it long term. Dr. K. swears by
it, but really long term.

I don't really follow the whole Sanum recomendations, nor dr. K, but I do think
many of their products are really the best to fight certain infections or the
left-over from infections. For chronic infections,I do find they are the best I
ever tried!

For Aspergilus sufferers, I suppose you got to combine with Mucokehl to get
totally rid of the infection (energetic tests can show that or just follow Sanum
recomendations to stop the cycle of Aspergilus- Mucor, in case you have no
access to energetic tests).

Another unknown group of products from Sanum that helped me very deeply, but
used short term, were the Polysans, that are not marketed as remedies. Sanum
can't market them as remedies. But I learned how to use them from a Sanum
'specialist', and can tell you guys how to use them, without any danger. Only
rubbed.

Thank you again.

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Hi again everybody!!

Thanks to Lou and to Six, I'm back again!
I thank you moderators for solving the problem!

I know it's a huge work (and unpaid) to keep LN running, so I do appreciate your efforts!

Thanks for the support from all!

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Yay! I'm glad you're back ... again!

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Ok guys and gals....

Fever. Why am I running a higher fever since starting photon treatment?

It pretty much stays between 99.5 and 99.8.


Before photons, I'd get a fever here and there. Now it's pretty steady.

I think I may have done too much [Frown]

I'm on my month off and haven't treated in almost 2 weeks, but the fever is never ending. The blood nosode, I feel, really hit something.


Is this normal?

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I would think getting a fever would mean your immune system is starting to work. When I was first sick I always had a low grade fever like that. As I got more sick, the fevers went away. Hopefully once you've killed off all your infections the fever will go away.
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quote:
Originally posted by jlp38:
I would think getting a fever would mean your immune system is starting to work. When I was first sick I always had a low grade fever like that. As I got more sick, the fevers went away. Hopefully once you've killed off all your infections the fever will go away.

That's how it was for me, too. Fevers in the beginning, then nothing, now fevers again.

I just wish I knew exactly what the heck is going on in this old body. [shake]

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I would think this is a good sign?

I never get fevers when I am sick... My immune system doesn't know what to do. Fever is a natural way for the immune system to fight off enemies [Smile]

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I saw a doc in Spain who wanted me to do hyperthermia - basically inducing a fever to stimulate my immune system. They have a way over there to raise your core body temp. Of course you cant do it here. I've been trying to do it with the sauna but can't seem to get it high enough.
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Hambone,

Sounds like a strong immune response to me. I have heard it is possible to overdue the photons. I think you should wait to treat again until this clears. That is just my thoughts.

You may want to take some oral antioxidants like vitamin E, A & C for a couple days or drink some green tea if the response is too strong.

The antioxidants should help to clean up the oxidation caused by reactive oxygen species produced from the mitochondria. They really help with the inflammatory response.

Maybe Six or Brussels will give their thoughts.

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Oh, I just wanted to add that I do not think antioxidants should be taken all the time with this treatment, only on an as needed basis when the immune response and inflammation is too high. They should help.
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If anyone who is reading here has called the Guesthause in Germany recently and is named Julie, please PM me.

Karin called me today and is worried she misunderstood your phone call. She asked me to try to find Julie and help her to understand the details of the call.

Or if you don't want to do that, please contact Karin again but by email next time. It is much easier for her to use her google translate on an email than understand an American (with all our many accents and slangs) over the phone. [Wink]

Thank you!

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I was just on the Bionic website, and there is a notice stating that the company and Dr. W will NO LONGER be collaborating!?

What does this mean for those going to Germany to treat or for those wanting to buy the Bionic?

Feeling like I should be freaking out a bit but am controlling myself until I learn more......

17Hens/Six--any news regarding this development?

Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not go into details here.

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PMing you.

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HAMBONE:

Fever: I guess you are the lucky guy? I never ran fever while with lyme...

Lyme bacteria hate higher temperatures.
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But if you feel crap for long, I guess it could be the next peeling the onion infection showing up?

I had once tuberculosis in my joints, and I may had had fever (I was in such a bad condition that I don't know if I measured my temperature).

It was part of the cleaning (peeling the onion), like getting all dormant infections alive again. I needed to address to it (even took days of antibiotics).

I hope it's nothing too serious. Stop killing for a while and concentrate on cleaning, antioxidants, resting, out of EMRs etc. Crossing fingers for you. If you're really bad, send me a PM!
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Mom with Hope:

Even if they are not collaborating, I suppose the company will STILL want to sell the Bionic to you!!! Just contact them directly, without the intevention of dr. W (?)

It would be crazy if they don't want to sell you!!

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With so many people following this thread, I would think this information could be shared with us all?

I know a lot of people that are saving and putting their hopes in Photon, specifically the Bionic.

Please do share at least in its generalty.

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I agree with Fuel. I'd like to know too.
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Sure, I agree. Here's what I PMed aMomWithHope.

"Dear...

No, don't freak out. It all works out fine, it's just a bit awkward, that's all.

How do I answer this without making some party look bad? They parted ways.

Dr. W. has built his own photon machine and is using it, rather than the Bionic that he's treated patients with for 9 years, to treat current patients. He claims it's stronger.

Dr. W. did not mention another machine to me before I went over for treatment. I thought I was getting Bionic treatment, so it was rather awkward when I found myself hooked up to another photon machine. But in the end, it seems his machine worked fine.

I'm glad I bought the Bionic since this was the machine he successfully treated lyme with for many years.

In the book, "Insights into Lyme Disease Treatment," a German holistic practitioner named K. treats with the Bionic and has had good success. Dr. W. is also highlighted in the book with the successes he has had using the bionic.

If you notice on the Bionic website, it offers a list of other German doctors who treat lyme with the Bionic.

All I can tell you is that I got treated by Dr. W. with his photon machine and I've been using the Bionic since I've been home and it is working.

From what I can gather from others who were treated by Dr. W., he might sell his machine or he might not, but if he does it'll likely cost more than the Bionic.

Dr. W. never mentioned to me the availability of his machine since he knew I purchased the Bionic before starting his treatments.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions."

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Hey guys, why you don't try buying the CHEAPEST sota Lightworks model (about 300 dollars, if my memory is good) just to test?

http://www.amazon.com/Sota-LightWorks-Infrared-Healthy-Light/dp/B00152VGZK

A few people treated with LW with good results. The PE1 was just 10 times stronger than LW, they swore. But if you want to see how it works and don't want to spend the money, why not trying 300 dollars on this cheaper model?

People that have both LW and the PE1 swear that they work similarly, but that the PE1 is about 10 times stronger. If you want to use the LW, you just need to treat 10 times longer than with the PE1!!!

Just an idea. Don't freak out!

Do a search in the old threads with the words Sota and Lightworks, you may find the old threads to decide!
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What I mean is that there are OTHER devices than the Bionic that seem to work. You don't have to freak out!! [Cool]

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Many thanks Hens!

This does not seem like a big deal at all. In fact this could lower prices with the availability of other options in the future?

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Fuel,

It could! Plus with the info Brussels is passing on, there could be a lot more options. I just know that I went with the treatment that has had a good amount of success and the results I am experiencing means it is working...and that is a great thing! If people can do it cheaper, that is even better...

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I believe the Bionic isn't "special." The PE-1 and even light works do the same thing. The reason the Bionic is so expensive is because it is certified, manufactured according to medical standards, etc. for Europe. But 880NM LED lights are not magical; they are simple. They all do the same thing. It's not a magic box, its just a bunch of 880NM LED lights. Just my opinion.
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Lights with frequencies, Dan. The frequency part is important.

To give an example, when I would use 28 hz frequency, my husband would have to leave the room. If I used other frequencies, he wouldn't. So the frequencies do something.

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Thanks so much for alleviating my concerns.

I didn't mean to cause any ruckus, just was very upset when I read that and was thinking that it might mean the end of that option--

Very relieved to hear that it is a non-issue!

Again, my apologies if I caused a stir--wasn't my intention.

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Dan, in the PE1, we have more than 880nm LED lights. There are 875nm, 940nm, 680 nm and 655 nm besides the 880nm. So penetration is different through different depths. The Bionic uses only 880nm if my memory is good.

Then as for frequencies, there are what is called Nogier frequencies, so the same LEDs above are 'blinking' in different optional frequencies, depending on the way you set your PE1.

4.5 Hz, 9 Hz, 18 Hz, 36 Hz, 73 Hz, 146 Hz, 293 Hz, 586 Hz, 1172 Hz, 4688 Hz

MOst are Nogier frequencies, known to influence different parts or tissues of your body (they are really different, if you try these, as Six says). The same 880nm Bionic infrared light, if pulsed in different ways, cause VERY different results.

Just use these machines for about 2-3 monhts, and you get convinced of how simply changing these 'flashing'/blinking frequecies makes the whole difference.

Of course, the Bionic has long term records of success, so it would be the safest. But Dr. W. is an excellent energetic tester (otherwise, he would never have come up with such magical borrelia protocol!!), so I'm sure that if he is using other machines, they would be as efficient, if not better.

I wonder if, in the end, the PE1 is not even more efficient than the Bionic. Really. Because the time of treatment is SO SMALLER compared with the Bionic (about 1/10 of the time Bionic users use), and it can create similar results... I really wonder. We need more people to use this to get more input.

And yes, the Bionic is used for dozens of other REASONS. That is why it is also expensive, as it has so many possible settings!

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Joey is selling his Bionic (if not sold) in the PE1 forum. If anyone is interested. And possibly with the old price (I am not sure though, please, check by yourselves)

Yahoo forum called Bionic880/PE1.

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Brussels,

If one was to treat with the LW, is the procedure the same, using the nosodes and such? I am seeking an alternative method of treatment for a family member but the person is rather fragile. I am thinking that the LW, if it is not as powerful, might be a better choice to begin with at least. It might take a longer time to treat, but the treatment would not be as harsh. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Also, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. I know for me, I am very grateful.

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Or if you want to contact Joey, PM me your email address and I'll get him in touch with you.

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Pepperspeck,

I don'w own a LW, but I bought the PE1 based on LW users' experiences that they shared here in LN.

I just found out the PE1 offered more choices and it looked stronger. And the maker is such a wonderful informed person, that I decided on the PE1.

I 'll try to get the thread up again. I suppose the method is the same. Atleast two people used it, sheryl and bob, that I remember.

I feel it could be a good starting point, as it is weaker and cheaper. With not much money, you can start your explorations on the homeopathy + ifrared combination.

For what they shared with me, LW was pretty much the same as the PE1, but just much weaker. Both wanted faster results and invested on the PE1 later, but if you want to experiment, why not?

They used the same protocol, as far as I know.

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Thank you for bumping the threads up Brussels. I tried a search but must have done it wrong. There is a lot of helpful information in them. Thank you!

I am liking the fact that it is weaker, since the person to use it is so fragile right now. I know detox is important with treatment and her body can not be overwhelmed.

I will post an update if anyone is interested in her progress which whichever machine I finally choose.

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Selma says Candida HATES infrared!

That seemed to work for me.

Always before i avoided the abdomen, because people warn that it could awaken parasites and Babesia.

I was doing a PE-1 session, on Direct/ Intensity 10,
and i got brave and put it 1 minute on L front abdomen and 1 min on R front abdomen.

It didn't bring out parasites or Babesia and it knocked down the Candida. That was on Monday, this is Wednesday.

Thanks, Selma!

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Actually one of Dr. W/s points of treatment in his Lyme Protocol is just above the belly button. I do it everytime.


A thought (Six, Brussels, anyone?)... if Bartonella is so easily passed around a family, (sharing a fork, a glass, a kiss) then what do you think about making a nosode from spit. Might that capture it?

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No idea, 17 Hens. My bartonella is gone .... I'm not sure what got rid of it. My hunch is that it was my immune system being stronger after the Lyme was gone.

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I think mine is gone too. But my son has it and the blood nosode from a few drops from the finger doesn't seem to do a thing. Doesn't hurt to try it, I guess.

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Mine took MONTHS to go away. Give it time.

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Deseret Biologicals carries Bart nosodes. However, you must transfer it from the brown vials to clear vials. In several of our experiences, there's something about the brown vials that blocks the treatment
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Peppersp, you're welcome!

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Polly Pol, good you feel candida got better. It is not a solo treatment (infrared for candida) but they don't like it.

I was never brave to use it without pulsing though! I pulsed around my whole waist (without nosodes), and never on 10, but lower (max 7 or so?). It was divine!!

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17 hens, I use it laterally too, I find it helps. The back part (from back) is less efficient, but I do flash there too. Belly button part is though the strongest, I agree!

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Bart: it reacts to nosodes. Sheryl sells them or go to Deseret Biologicals (real homeopathy).

I would CERTAINLY give a try on their bart series if my bart came back.

I fought bart a lot BEFORE I used photons. When my borrelia got dormant, bart got too. But before, I swear bart was a damm hard infection to get under control.

I would try ingested (bart nosodes) or through photons ONLY in case my borrelia nosodes treatment would be finished. No parallel treatment with borrelia and photons (I wouldn't attempt that!!).

Bart nosodes react well even when only ingested, and even for people that NEVER used infrared. So it could be a big hit.

Saliva nosodes, one can always do, as well as urine nosodes. If you react to them, it means, they did something, right? Whatever you catch on saliva and urine, is the right individualized treatment for you!!

You just have to find out which dilutions (as I'm not familiarized with undiluted stuff, like undiluted blood like dr.W uses...)
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Hi Joe!! Long time no see you! Could you sell your Bionic?

I just saw somethign about CFS in betterhealthguy (A deep Look Beyong Lyme, conference 2011):

Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better.

The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection. These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH. One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins.

If you are interested, take a look at the whole article in better healthguy as he speaks how to dea with these nasal infections (with sanum usually) or candia /parasites.

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Joey is right, brown vials work only minimally compared to transparent vials!
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m0joey,

Youre inbox if full.

I have heard you have xmrv, which i do as well. Have you gotten any recovery from your neurological symptoms?

I have been in treatment for a few years now for Lyme and really haven't gotten too far. I still have Lyme Encephalopathy, which I believe is causing major neuro, attention, and personality issues.

Hause.

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I resumed treatment yesterday after an almost 4 week break.

I used a blood nosode again.

And oh my lord, it has hit on something huge!


Why am I feeling like I take a beating now when I do a treatment, vs how some people say they feel better after a treatment?

Only one time did I feel slightly better after a treatment (the first time with a blood nosode, I think ).

The treatment I did yesterday has been the hardest one yet. It think it's my 8th in all, and first one after a break.

I even used a lower intensity starting it again, and for a lesser amount of time on each point. The only difference was I used a fresh blood nosode with a little more blood than I used before.


I was tested for the MTHFR defect this past Monday but don't have the results yet. Could this be an issue even with photoning?

I'm almost positive I have the defect.

I am sooooooo sore all over [Frown]

This detoxing stuff I use just isn't cutting it. I guess I'll go try a coffee enema. Uggggg

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I had more of a reaction when I used more blood, too.

I did use coffee enemas almost daily when treating, also whey protein powder shakes.

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quote:
Originally posted by sixgoofykids:
I had more of a reaction when I used more blood, too.

I got carried away. I was thinking more would be better. Ha!


The reaction was almost immediate. I was way more achy right after the treatment than I was before. Usually I don't feel anything until a few hours later or the next day.

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I think it is better when you use more. I wonder if you're more likely to have more different pathogens in a larger blood sample? That could be why.

I didn't feel horrible like when treating with abx, but I did feel my body was working hard when I used photons.

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quote:
Originally posted by sixgoofykids:

I didn't feel horrible like when treating with abx, but I did feel my body was working hard when I used photons.

Well at least I don't have that poisoned feeling I had with abx's. I just feel like I had the snot beat out of me.
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Your body is working hard. Let it rest for a few days for the photons to work. It's an intense treatment.

Have some coffee ..... it's an amazing help ....

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To Hambone,

Binders, binders!! And homeopathic cleansing products may help. But you got to test these, to be sure or it's like shooting in the dark!

That is why I keep telling you all: the killing part is the easiest in a protocol, even with photons. Just one treatment, easy explanation, one or few substances do the killing job well.

In all protocols, killing is the easiest. That is not where people should concentrate their attention (or desperation! [Smile] )

What is hard is what comes after, the cleansing part. That shall occupy 80% of your time in finding out what you need exactly, 80% of your treatment budget, and 80% of overal treating time in a day and energy (as cleansers keep changing as your organs keep needing help in different times, and different substances).

If you cleanse well, your life goes like you are not sick, nor treating anything. It goes very smooth.

If you don't cleanse, you can go one or more steps backwards on improvement instead of goig forwards, and killing will slowly stop by itself.

And you can get to the point of having to go to emergency for whatever problems it may appear.

With photons, you can't stop your body killing, so it's the dangerous point, in my feeling.

Go slow!!!!!! Slowly wins the race!!

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As for the poisoning feeling, I know exactly what you mean. You can be sure that the herxes you feel are not chemical poisoning, but merely herxes (also poisoning, but from bacteria die off and inflammation).

I hope you feel better soon! Keep trying new binders, teas and try the 9MFT point tapping constantly!

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Brussels,

Which binders do you recommend? I use Apple Pectin.

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According to dr. W, after photons, cells dump toxins out plus the die off toxins, it makes a poisonous cocktail...

DAn, I don't know what to say, there were so many different things I used. The secret is energy test.

Are you doing the photon treatment and taking only apple pectin?

You can do guesses on what binders you need (my guess would be MAINLY chlorella, bear garlic, cardamon and all homeopathics used by dr. W like Hepar comp, lymphomyosot, solidago comp), or you can test energetically and find out exactly what is missing or what you don't need from the list above.

And believe me, it will be changing every day. Either in amount, in the combination, you have to add things and take off others. But you feel almost perfect, so its worth to keep looking to find what you need.

Magnesium is a must (dr. W. also puts in his cocktail), away from EMFs, no killer whatsoever. Dr. W. even doesn't recommend supplements, but he gives his cleasers through IV plus ozone... We treating solo have no choice than ingest.

Last year, I learned about breathing (a technique derived from the Pranayama from yogha), in the course Art of Living. It was a profound experience of detox for me (and I had no lyme already for more than a year when I did the course). They call it Sudarshan Kriya.

I had an intense physical detox experience and my head was in the clouds like smoking smocking herb for 3 weeks, non stop.

Today, when I feel anxious, I feel any toxins showing up (because of whatever reasons, KPU or just common colds), I mainly only breathe.

The logic on the breathing detox effect might have to do with oxygenation. I just remember that because I was reading again Connie's chapter on dr. W and he talks about ozone, and he says it works to clean the blood by oxygenation. I suppose breathing does similar, in case you have no access to ozone.

So, not moving, just sit upright or stand up, and let your body breathe deeply, start slowly, from nose or mouth, as you wish (I use only nose), you can vary the speed in 3 or 4 speeds.

The fastest must be VERY fast to the point you feel the oxygen in your brain clearly. Keep on for at least one minute, then change to slowest rhythm, and so on. If you do that for 5-10 minutes, whatever variation your body feels necessary, you can already feel some results (relaxing, for me).

The slowest is about one full breath (in and out) a second or so.

Just an idea, but I think it can be very powerful for helping detox and relax.

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I think this was the thread that talked about Bionic waking up parasites but not killing them.

I'm not so sure about that anymore.

(Forgive me if it was another thread, I can't think very well today. I've got my first real full blown cold and my head's in a cloud. I just don't have the energy to read back thru to make sure this is the thread or if it was another.)

I have seen more "aliens" in the toilet since starting Bionic treatment then I ever did when I took 4 months of Parastroy.

The last 3 weeks, I've been treating with the Bionic w/ blood nosode at 10 points.

I am taking a few supps (multi, thyroid support) and probiotic. I am drinking tonic water and every few days am adding some grapefruit seed extract. And every day or every other day I am doing a coffee enema.

I don't know if it's the Bionic or the tonic or the enema, but something has them falling out of me. And I'm feeling less parasite symptoms.

My husband did the bionic 2 days ago, and for the first time EVER, he called me in the bathroom to show me aliens.

I'm not convinced the bionic does not kill parasites. I'm believe it wakes them up, but I'm starting to think it kills them too.

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thsank you 17 hens and everyone who has contributed to so many chronicles of bionic/photon treatment.

you help many, many people!!!!

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When I was herxing from photoning bactrim, I thought I had awakened parasites but it turned out to be a big herx and all the symptoms died down and improved greatly.
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Great news, 17hens!!

There are so many parasites, I am glad to hear you got the good ones that are killed by light!!! [Big Grin]

I know that bacteria is a bit the same, some HATE photons and die, some don't die.

As for viruses, so far, most hate infrared. And same as yeast.

I'll keep your experiences in my head!!! Thanks for sharing. If you know which are the nasty critters, please share with us!

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hens, I am not sure about the bionic killing parasites, but I have seen several people post that they saw parasites after doing a coffee enema.

I always say, "whatever works" If eating chocolate chip cookies kills them, well then just eat more chocolate chip cookies. [Cool] [lol]

P. S. I eat ice cream because it keeps them in the G.I. track, and I eat the antiparasitic herbs and it kills them while they eat the ice cream. [lick] [Smile]

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Another point: when borrelia goes, I swear that your immune system gets better in GENERAL.

Because of long term borrelia infection, I am a firm believer that parasites grow as they want, in our GI tract, in great amounts.

In other conditions, with a strong immune system, parasites won't have as good chance as with long term borrelia or long term candida.

Borrelia is EXTREMELY immunesupressive. And it also could be that some of your parasites are dying because your body's immune system is finally waking up and doing what it is supposed to do now.

But as for your husband, that would be TOO fast to be true. So it could be the light that really kills!!!

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Brussels - liver fluke (many after most every coffee enema) and 6"flat worm (w/out coffee enemas). I've gotten more than that after enemas, (I think photo links are on this thread and maybe others) but the flat worms did not follow enema.

My husband did not do coffee enema, ONLY bionic. His were flat worms too, I think. Other people's aliens are so much more disgusting (mine were pretty cute)! JK!!!

It is interesting, you're right, that I get my first cold just days after alien appearance.

Gael - Choc. chips and ice cream? No wonder I like you!!! Come over and we'll have a party!! You're welcome to come too, Selma! Bring some Lindt choco with you, will you please?

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