canefan17
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We all need this reminder often (I did)
If you are not having 2-3 bowel movements a day UP your magnesium! Go until you get diarrhea and back off that dosage and remain there.
I spent 6 months not taking enough magnesium and as a result developed long term constipation, diverticulitis, worsening Bart and parasites, heart palps, etc.
In my experience Magnesium is BY FAR the most important supplement.
This is what I take (capsules are much easier for our guts to digest than tablets - keep that in mind)
I am fairly new to all this (undiagnosed Lyme for 14 years, though) and I started on the Dr. Burrascano list of supplements using "Calm" from Natural Vitality as the magnesium, recommended by my nutritialist.
Got diarreha within three days, which could easily also be due to my taking a lot of Vitamin C at the same time (pills and powdered), and my Bart flaring up (sweats, anxiety > urgent care level, etc.).
I also ramped up on my dose of the Calm fairly quickly from 1/2 teaspoon to a heaping teaspoon twice a day.
I find Calm very easy to take. You put the powder in a cup and ad a little warm water. It fizzes and makes a nice night time tea for me.
I enjoy it when I don't put too much powder in the cup - then it gets too sour.
For me it is a nice alternative to swallowing some more pills, but I don't know if it is effective. They say it is highly absorbable, but who knows?
It is "ionic magnesuim citrate" and free of a lot of allergens.
I like it a lot and will keep using it, adjusting the dose for my needs.
Any experience, opinions on this product from you'all?
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I like Vitacost's brand NSI Ultra Magnesium. Three different kinds of magnesium in a capsule. It is the only one that works for me.
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Marnie
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Mg levels dive at the outset of lyme and continue to spiral down.
Mg is present in our body as Mg-ATP.
In the infected cells, too little ATP is being made and ATP is what drives Mg back into the cells.
Gotta get the ATP levels up in the infected cells which is hard, given that oxidative phosphorylation in those cells has been "uncoupled". Glycolysis = 2 ATP, oxidative phosphorylation = 36 ATP.
Flipping the switch back is not impossible.
Years ago, Romanian docs gave IV abx and IV Mg and cured lyme in a couple of early onset patients.
They found a "significant" drop in Mg levels....very. That is NOT good. Mg is an anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory and inhibits HMG CoA reductase AND....it lowers PLA2.
If you have a hard time with the oral form, you can simply apply Mg to your skin. Liquimins makes a concentrated form of Mg and 2 eyedroppers full = 200mg. That's the dose I'd personally start with. The RDA for Mg is 400mg.
We DO absorb things thru our skin.
It may burn slightly and briefly esp. if one is "acidic".
Mg works well with the B vits too...esp. B6 which IS available sublingual(Source Naturals) and IS the "active form" i.e., PLP/P5P.
B vitamins are generally destroyed by our strong stomach acid (not so when they are in FOOD).
These supps. are cheap.
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Wow, Marnie, I love reading your posts!! Thanks a ton.
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Thank you for bringing this up. Marnie, so wish you would bring up your old posts and plaster them everywhere!! Lots of new faces here don't realize the significance.
It seems to me that many here are attributing some symptoms to Lyme, while it is actually low magnesium, and this is a good reminder that magnesium cannot be restored by taking antibiotics. It will remain an issue until you fix it, regardless of how long you take antibiotics (and even when you stop).
When I first went off abx 6 1/2 yrs ago, I was a bit worried bc I had 'issues' still - which turned out to be low magnesium and yeast. I had to go the IV mag route, supplemented by weekly IM shots.
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Has anyone had luck using topical magnesium (as in magnesium lotion)? I just ordered Ancient Minerals Magnesium Lotion.. I'm hoping that it works well.
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Skies - I also use topical, the same brand. It's hard to tell if it works! But of course I don't notice any difference when I'm taking the pills either.
One LLMD said that the topical is better than the oral because the bacteria can feed off the oral, but not off the topical. That was in the book "Insights to Lyme Disease Treatment".
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Most of all, parasites devour our minerals - their poop is what makes us sick, not the bugs. "Parasites are at the core of what makes Lyme patients sick" (DK) - secreting neurotoxins gobbled up by nerves = tissue necrosis
We have 400 bugs in the gut who are constantly copulating - especially right now at full moon.
Mag is important - but only by eliminating the cause will we get out of the hole. Feeding the parasites does not solve it.
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979: Skies - I also use topical, the same brand. It's hard to tell if it works! But of course I don't notice any difference when I'm taking the pills either.
One LLMD said that the topical is better than the oral because the bacteria can feed off the oral, but not off the topical. That was in the book "Insights to Lyme Disease Treatment".
Thanks James! I'll see how the lotion works for me.
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GiGi
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A paperback "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" by Mark Sircus, Ac., O.M.D. explains a lot.
Available at Amazon.
Amazon also shows the different brands of mag oil available under the book information with prices, etc.
Take care.
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James1979
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Thanks GiGi, I just added that book to my cart.
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Anyone tried ionic magnesium spray? I think it is a sublingual spray. My llmd suggested it since oral gives me upper gi burning(even the Mag. glycinate). I haven't tried the spray yet.
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But I thought that the parasites went beyond the gut, to the liver, lungs and muscle tissue. So, if that's the case, then oral vs. transdermal shouldn't matter. ??
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canefan17
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When I do transdermal magnesium I get cat scratch marks within 10 minutes of spraying it on.
I'm convinced Bart will surface to feed on magnesium.
This can be useful tool to draw them out though
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GiGi
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Any difference lotion verses the "oil"?
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The oil is more pure. The lotion has other ingredients and a different consistency.
Gigi - thanks for the link. That was a good thread.
Does everybody feel yucky when they put on magnesium oil? I feel gross, like I'm wearing a second skin.
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Don't use more than recommended on the bottle. The body will not absorb more than it needs. And follow instructions re washing it off after some minutes.
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Marnie
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One word to never ever forget:
PROBIOTICS.
Huge mind-gut connection.
Gotta keep the "gut" healthy.
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