Carol in PA
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Many thanks to the people here who have been posting about parasites. I think I may have liver flukes.
Chinese liver fluke, Clonorchis sinensis, a parasitic worm 10 to 25 mm long that lives in the bile ducts of the liver in humans and other mammals. Clonorchiasis is a common disease in China, Vietnam, Korea, and Japan and is acquired by eating freshwater fish containing the fluke larvae.
Trematode are leaf-shaped flatworms also known as flukes. Fasciola hepatica is leaf shaped and measures approximately 1 x 3 cm.
Life cycle Humans are infected by the consumption of improperly cooked watercress that harbors encysted larva.
Diagnosis Diagnosis is based on symptoms and history. The eggs of F. hepatica in the stool are indistinguishable from those of F. buski.
Treatment Treat F. buski with praziquantel. Treat F. hepatica with Triclabendazole.
Several times in the past, I have passed something that resembled a leaf....looked like the last inch or so of that fluke picture.
I ate some watercress once as a child, when my parents got some from a friend's pond. I did not like it, as I crunched on little snails when I ate it, blech. Now I find out that snails are a host for flukes.
Some fish carry fluke eggs too, and I've eaten fresh caught fish when I was camping as a child and teen.
The flukes live in the duct of the gall bladder. I've had occasional symptoms over the years.
I'm wondering what the opinions are of the parasite experts here. Could I try treating with medication and see if I pass flukes? Has anyone here done this? I'm not sure of which kind I have, but I can get the meds from pet shops if my doc doesn't believe me. I don't know if the black walnut mixtures would affect liver flukes at all.
I also wonder about roundworms and tapeworms.
Thoughts?
Praziquantel (Brands: Biltricide) is used to treat blood flukes, lung flukes, liver flukes and intestinal flukes, and the majority of tapeworms. It is the drug of choice for treating clonorchiasis. This drug increases cell membrane permeability in susceptible worms, resulting in loss of their intracellular calcium, massive contractions, and paralysis of the worm's musculature. This is followed by attachment of phagocytes to the parasite and its subsequent death.
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In many circles (Hulda clarke) F Buski is considered the root of all cancer.
Some say if you don't have F Buski... you can't get cancer.
*shrugs*
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I'd love to hear user feedback from Biltricide users.
It's something I'm keeping in my back pocket for tapeworms/flukes
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Thanks Carol, Good find on parasites... Hope you find recovery as your life unfolds. wayne
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Hi Carol,
I had much success with antiparasitic herbs and salt/c. Sixgoofykids reported she passed a tapeworm while on Humaworm.
I would be more inclined to try the herbs first because the pharma meds can be hard on the liver. Parastroy is stronger than Humaworm, so you might want to start with that if you choose herbs.
Gael
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17hens
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Carol, just a thought, as my daughter has been doing bile duct flushes, she often passes seaweed leaf looking things. sometimes as bigger than a 50 cent piece. We've been told they are liver bile. Maybe this is what you saw?
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I've passed flukes on Hulda Clark's protocol: Black Walnut, Artemisia absinthe and Clove.
I've also passed flukes on Nutramedix Enula.
I think they are common. They look either like leaves or curled up tomato skins.
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quote:Originally posted by BoxerMom: 17 - I still think those are fluke gonads!!
BoxerMom, you know I hold your opinions in high esteem...but I can't even imagine the reaction I'd get from my daughter if I said those words to her!
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Carol in PA
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: ...she often passes seaweed leaf looking things.
Yes, someone had posted about this in the past, and when I looked at the pictures I realized that's what I had too.
When I began looking up information about flukes, I found a connection with watercress and fresh fish. So now I'm trying to figure out what I should do about it.
Gael has suggested Parastroy may be better for me to use than Humaworm, as it's stronger.
Boxermom has passed flukes using Hulda Clark's protocol: Black Walnut, Artemisia absinthe and Clove. ...and Nutramedix Enula.
Gigi wrote in the past that Dr. K. advocates using pharmaceuticals to eradicate the pests, rather than herbs.
I don't have a RIFE machine or use a biotensor, but I'm hoping to get pointed in the right direction for flukes by people with experience. Like, do I need to do stuff beforehand? Afterwards?
I'm alarmed by the accounts of die off reaction, as I'm a total wimp. I already have enough problems with brain fog, memory problems, fatigue, headaches, and pain. I've been able to reduce much of the pain and headaches with supplements and meds, and I don't relish the thought of getting sicker again.
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glm1111
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Carol,
You can always start at a lower dose of herbs than suggested, so it would be easier on you and you can see how you react.
I have used ALL of the herbal cleanses mentioned above. Perhaps you might want to start with Humaworm and see how that goes.
Try not to be alarmed from the dieoff because it will be very beneficial in the long run.
Gael
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I took Biltricide. I found it to be the most benign drug I have ever taken, for what its worth
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Carol in PA
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quote:Originally posted by Amanda: I took Biltricide.
Amanda, What symptoms did your doctor prescribe it for? And did the med take care of the problem?
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Well, I didn't really have gut symptoms of bowel problems. But I can't seem to get better on abx, so my LLMD put me on herbals, and more recently Dr K's protocol to see if that would help my immune system better.
And after almost 5 months of herbals and just finishing hard-core meds (including bicltrice, amoung other things) I do not feel any better, and my bloodwork didn't get better. So I don't think this is what is holding me back.
But that doesn't mean its not the case for you. It sounds like you have got something weird in your digestive track. I'd talk to your LLMD about that. If you can see them, then it might even show up on a stool test....
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It takes the five different types of pharmaceuticals to eradicate the different parasites that most people carry around.
Biltricide a couple of days which may have to be repeated later again to take out the liver flukes. Then Ivermectin, pyrantel pamoate, albendazole, and then alinia is what most people need to be successful, and in that order.
That is the protocol that has proven to be successful leaving a lot less residue than many months of herbals do. The latter is the main reason Dr. K. and Dr. S.Y. choose this protocol. It works and in a relatively short time. The detailed protocol can be found on the internet. I had posted it earlier and if you check closely you may even find it on Lymenet because mine got nixed while others who posted the protocol were left standing.
As a rule, one or two of the same type antiparasiticals will not be satisfactory. Different types, sizes, etc. require different meds and it takes these five different ones to do the job.
If parasites get all the food they need, many people have no obvious symptoms.
Remember alive parasites live in the small intestine while the dead ones live in the large intestine and colon. They prefer the real food as opposed to the leftovers in the large intestine and colon. That also is the reason for different meds.
Parasites and larvae also live in the brain and albendazole and alinia cross the blood brain barrier - one more reason for different meds.
Take care.
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which is an excellent read, however doesn't go into all of the medicines you have listed, gigi. is there a better article?
this is interesting: gigi quote "That is the protocol that has proven to be successful leaving a lot less residue than many months of herbals do. The latter is the main reason Dr. K. and Dr. S.Y. choose this protocol."
i find there is a large amount of toxic die off to be endured with herbal parasite treatments, and the toxins/metal/infection content of these worms creates a never-ending churning of poisons in your system.. requiring binders for as long as you are on them, and even then, too toxic.
in this case, the faster you can release them the better. with serious mopping as well.
i only once took a sript for worms, i think it was ivermectin? but a large load was released, overnight. on the herbals its months of not knowing where you are getting with these things.
this is one case where herbal is not necessarily better, imo.
mo
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Carol in PA
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I never did do anything about treating for flukes, as I wasn't having symptoms, and I'm such a procrastinator.
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I took Billtricide and it was by far the worst drug I have ever taken! Not sure if it was a side effect/drug reaction or a massive die off but I got severe vertigo and vomiting.
I think my dose may have been a bit too aggressive though.
I took it as part of a multi-drug protocol so it is hard to say if which drug helped but I felt amazing after the treatment ended.
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GIGI posted this site on January 19,2013.
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Don't forget sushi.
And if you buy your fish, fresh or frozen, from the supermarket-read the packages. Most fish in my supermarkets are farmed in Vietnam, Cambodia, China. It may say "Wild Salmon" etc. But if you read the fineprint or phone the store it is farmed fish from those countries.
So there's a good chance all of us have these flukes.
I know I do.
"Twig-like", "Tomato peels", "Blueberry skins", "Leafs" are frequently terms people use to describe flukes.
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Carol- do you have any symptoms that lead you to believe you have flukes? I've thought this could be a problem for me as well. Been off and on antiparasitic herbs but still symptoms. I do have liver pain and pass things that look like tomato peels, twigs and leafs but don't know if its just undigested food. Could blood flukes cause issues like Babesia?
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Carol in PA
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Jamers, several times in the past, I have passed something that resembled a leaf....looked like the last inch or so of that fluke picture.
That happened with a loose stool, and I never realized that it might be part of a liver fluke until I saw pictures.
Babesia is caused by a tiny protozoan parasite that enters individual blood cells. Liver flukes are about an inch long.
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What does DE taste like? How do you eat it? How do you take castor oil without gagging and vomitting? Is leaf of senn senna?
I know i need to do this but it seems so complicated to me
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tomatoe skins?? omg!!! I've passed what looks like tiny rolled up pieces of, you got it, reddish tomatoe skins. they are transparent looking.
is this what you're talking about?
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Carol in PA
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lpkayak, diatomacous earth is powdered, so I guess you could mix it in with applesauce or yogurt. When I gave it to the cats, I mixed it in with wet food.
Randibear, when I passed stuff, it was leaf shaped like the last inch of the fluke picture, but colored green from bile. That would have been a broken off piece of fluke.
I'm not certain, but I think a liver fluke may look similar to a slug. The thought turns my stomach, ugh.
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