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m0joey
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I finally got another CD57 done, as demanded by my LLMD to determine my lyme status. Right before going to Germany for treatment, it was in the high 50s, signifying active lyme infection. Now it's 103. According to my LLMD, it's in control and not enough to warrant treating with ABx. I know opinions vary on what CD57 signifies remission or whether it's useful at all, but as a subset of NK cells, which have been chronically-low for me, it's amazing to see jump by nearly 100% while my WBCs continue to stay low (the latest is 3.6). That tells me that the bionic was very effective at treating borrelia as a secondary infection. Certainly I have little doubt there is a correlation between CD57 and lyme activity.

The increase in cd-57 a year after my latest borrelia treatment coinciding with my WBCs staying low, lymphocytes going up, and neutrophils going down is just more evidence that my condition is mainly viral and lyme is a secondary infection (which is what I've believed for years now but had no idea until recently that it might not be just an virus but rather a retrovirus casing my immune suppression)

Disclaimer: As some of you know, I am trying to sell the bionic to fund an antiviral drug treatment. However, I have no problem providing the physical copy of my lab results to potential buyers if requested.

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Fuel1212
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I was waiting to see something like this. Dr. W in Germany supposedly did tons of immune system marker testing after 100's of treatments.

Here is another example.. Thanks Joey

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m0joey
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Another patient I went with had theirs go up from 14 (despite years of antibiotics) to 65 soon after the bionic treatment.
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That's very impressive!

Joey, does the Bionic not work on retrovirus?

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Good for you joey!! I'm so glad you've had a good response and come further along in your understanding of your illness!

I too wonder why the bionic is not used for the retrovirus.

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m0joey
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Whether bionic will work for a retrovirus is a moot question until we find out what retrovirus is causing true ME/CFS. No unlike some others that use biophotons, I don't believe in radionics. I believe in using actual nosodes starting with the original substance derived from a laboratory. Staufen-Pharma and Deseret Biologicals all the way.

I've also treated many times with blood and I don't believe that works if you have 80+ daily infectious agents in your blood (the number that Dr. Peterson who's been a ME/CFS specialist since the Incline Village epidemic, found in ME/CFS patients versus healthy controls, which only had around 2 on any given day). Too much information in the blood in this case. Targeted treatment with single-pathogen nosodes seem to work far more effectively.

I believe treating with blood for classic lymies may work because they don't have an immune-devastating retrovirus. ME/CFS patients seem to have much lower WBCs on average than lyme patients that respond symptomatically to lyme treatment. That tells me that this subset of lyme disease patients with no retrovirus would have less co-infections (Borrelia suppresses immunity but not like a retrovirus) and treating with blood + photons would be much more targeted in nature.

But I'm not going to sit around and wait for the politics with a new infectious retrovirus in the blood supply to simmer down so that real science can take place and dig up the infectious agent. When that day comes, you can bet I'll be first in line to buy that nosode and treat with biophotons, but in the meantime I'm gonna take an antiviral drug that has shown clinical efficacy against retroviruses. Having to pay out of pocket for it is my sole reason for trying to sell the bionic.

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Joey,

is there a test to find out if one has these retroviruses? I wonder if all Lyme patients have them?

Of course you must do what you feel is your best chance to recover. God knows we all suffer long enough! I wish you the best!

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m0joey
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Not at the moment. Everything with XMRV just went out the window so VIPdx lab results are now bunk.

There are multiple ways to approach it with energetic testing such as testing antiretroviral medications and herbs, or frequencies for existing retroviruses.

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