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jlp38
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I would love to try one of these. I'm not going to Germany, so would be treating on my own. Obviously, the cost of the PE1 is a benefit. but I'm a little overwhelmed with figuring out how to use it.

Is one better than the other? If cost weren't a factor, would the bionic be better? Any opinions on this? Thanks.

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scorpiogirl
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I'm still learning myself... and I'm leaning toward the PE-1 b/c I heard it's stronger and has more options... for example it can be set up to use like a Rife Machine. I don't know if the Bionic can?

Either machine you picked you still have to learn to use it unless you go to Germany. It is very confusing and overwhelming for sure! I have been lurking/reading since June and I'm still confused!

At least now I found out where to get the PE-1 and some Nosodes to get me started.

Now I'm researching how to do parasite cleanse and then all the detoxing stuff. Good luck deciding!

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Just getting ready to post something on what to expect with Parastroy.. [Smile]

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JLP, dr. W treated many people with the Bionic, with success. There's a record there, I mean. I was the first to use the PE1, inspired by dr. W.

He practices just 1 hour and a half away from my house, I had an appointment (my daughter too) with him, but was in waiting list. In between, I purchased the PE1 to give a try, as my daughter was seriously bad...

Well, when our appointment time arrived, I cancelled them, because we were almost in total remission. ONe month later, we reached remission, and mine, lasts until today (from May 2009, my appointment was April 2009).

If you have the money, go for the Bionic. If you don't have any money, go for Lightworks (only 300 bucks). I didn't want to spend that much (bionic) as I could just travel 1.5 hour and get treated, if you see what I mean.


the PE1 is not a Rife machine, it's very differennt.

It has Nogier frequencies, but if I understood well, the Bionic has even more frequencies than the PE1, but I don't know if it covers all the Nogier.

the PE1 has more different types of infrared (5 different wavelengths and consequently, different penetration); the Bionic has only 880nm. But their technology seems different, don't ask me details though! I just guess it is different because of price!!

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I don't think I want to do light works. I want a sure thing (as close as I can get anyway). The bionic is appealing because more people here have used it, and under a doctor's guidance too. The PE1 is appealing because you've had such great success with it and because of the cost. Honestly, I don't have the money for anything right now. But I'm expecting a lot from this treatment, so I will come up with the money for whatever I think is the best. I just don't feel right about antibiotics long term.
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People who had both LW and PE1, say that LW works as well, but it is only 10% of the potency of the PE1.

I would give it a try in case of doubt, as it doesn't cost much, if you see what I mean. Once you try it, you'll understand what these infrared on the 880nm range can do, and then decide whether you need something else?

Just a suggestion....

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Joe from this forum is selling his Bionic for lower price, just for your info!
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I have a Bionic. I decided to go to Germany and buy the Bionic because of its track record.

At this point, I consider the PE1 to have a track record.

I think you're good with either one.

I also have a Lightworks. It is nothing compared to my Bionic, I personally wouldn't waste my money on one. Just my opinion.

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Can we get a tally on how many people everyone knows that have reached remission with both the PE1 and Bionic?

We can try to keep score. I think that would be useful feel good data.

PE1 - Brussels.....

Bionic - Sixgoofykids.....

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Good idea Fuel!! I would like to see that too! [Smile]

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Hey jlp83,

I've never tried the PE1 so I can't say how it compares to the bionic, although whatever Brussel says I would take pretty seriously. She's been a guiding light for me (no pun intended) on my journey to where I am today.

Btw I am the "Joe" she mentioned that is selling the bionic. Feel free to PM me if you're interested.

I just posted on a separate thread that my CD57 went up from 58 to 103 from using the bionic. I'm not cured by any means but I have an unnamed retrovirus at the moment keeping my WBCs suppressed (3.6) and coinfections active. The fact that my CD57 was able to double inspite of my WBCs and total NK cells going down is pretty solid evidence (IMO) of this treatment's effectiveness.

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Has anyone who treated with the Bionic long enough (lets say, about a year) or the PE1 (also a year), still uses abx or anything to kill borrelia?

I would be curious to know!!! So far, I don't know anyone!

I know Bob of Maryland is also on remission with the PE1 (at least last time I talked to him) and I guess, the lady from Lumenenergetics too.

My daughter is also in full remission now, even though she got a short relapse last year (2010), that went again in remission after 2-3 weeks on photons (PE1).

Now she's about 1.5 year in full remission. I'm crossing fingers we both will continue through this winter lyme free.

If people stop treating after a few weeks, well, I think they can continue sick and treating borrelia later. But after a year, I wonder if there is anyone still treating borrelia with antimicrobials!

Joe is also out of lyme as he doesn't treat it anymore, stopped abx he had taken before for years. Even though chronic fatigue is there, he ruled out Borrelia and is treating with antivirals. No more abx, so you can add him in the Bionic list, I suppose?

If you want a real track record, go to the Bionic! It is surer because dr. W. has used it for years, even though most are Germans and don't post here in LN.

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