LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Literature linking foot pain to Bartonella

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Literature linking foot pain to Bartonella
Toppers
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 20083

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Toppers     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Is there any traditional literature linking this? Meaning, stuff from the evil western medicine. The ONLY mention I see of this is LLMD associated stuff, guidelines, patient experiences, etc.

How can you tell people your foot pain comes from bartonella if nothing even signifies that it goes?

Posts: 499 | From Cleveland Ohio | Registered: Apr 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
shazdancer
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 1436

Icon 1 posted      Profile for shazdancer     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
There is some scientific literature mentioning foot or other pain, but not a lot. Science is only now putting together evidence that Bartonella can be tick borne. (The IDSA guidelines deny this. So who are the "science deniers"?)

Ed Breitschwerdt has been doing seminal work in the field. (No worries about using his name, as he is a veterinarian, not a human clinician.) He has a slideshow mentioning canine and human bartonellosis -- note one slide mentions lameness, and other pain symptoms are noted as well.
http://www.ncagr.gov/oep/oneMedicine/noms/2010/Breitschwerdt_Edward_Bartonellosis_The%20Hidden_Epidemic.pdf

More:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17401716
Chronic vasculitis and polyneuropathy due to infection with Bartonella henselae (2007)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2792845/
Bartonella Species in Blood of Immunocompetent Persons with Animal and Arthropod Contact (2007)

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/12/1535.long
Musculoskeletal Manifestations of Cat Scratch Disease

There are some interesting studies on bartonellosis in HIV patients that indicate that immunocompromised patients have a rougher time with the disease, while typical "cat scratch disease" is a self-limited bout of swollen lymph nodes. There is evidence that Lyme may lower the immune system.

Hope this helps some,

Sharon
www.lymebrary.com

Posts: 1558 | From the Berkshires | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Toppers
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 20083

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Toppers     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
shazdancer, thanks for the links, I have bookmarked them.

Interesting studies but it's staggering how little has been researched on the human side of things. I mean, how many people have chronic bartonella? It has to be a lot.

Posts: 499 | From Cleveland Ohio | Registered: Apr 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
17hens
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 23747

Icon 1 posted      Profile for 17hens     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Wow! Great info, shaz, thank you!!

--------------------
"My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26

bit 4/09, diagnosed 1/10

Posts: 3043 | From PA | Registered: Dec 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lymegal23
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 28573

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lymegal23     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So how did scientists believe bartonella was transmitted? if not thru ticks then what else?

I know bartonella is also called cat scratch fever, so its spread thru cat scratches. but is that the only way they thought it was spread?

Posts: 995 | From somewhere out there | Registered: Oct 2010  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
kadee
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 21199

Icon 1 posted      Profile for kadee     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Fleas are regarded as main transmitters.
Posts: 269 | From Germany | Registered: Jul 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
shazdancer
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 1436

Icon 1 posted      Profile for shazdancer     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yes, fleas were the culrpits spreading Bartonella to cats and cat scratches/bites were thought to be the main culprits in human disease. The disease was thought to be self-limiting in people -- a few swollen lymph nodes, maybe a little fever, and then it would go away on its own.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001614.htm

Posts: 1558 | From the Berkshires | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.