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Tammy N.
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What do you think?

We need to take up carpet in family room. This part of house is on a slab. Wanted to install heated stone tile floor. I was wondering if it would mean more EMFs? Or, since it's grounded, maybe it would be good, like grounding to the earth. (This is what I'm thinking.) Thoughts?

I am dealing with metals, mold, parasites... the whole shabang, and want to make a good decision.

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Ask your EMF conscious doctor. I have a hunch you will get a resonating no-no.

Take care.

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Concrete is only so-so for the earthing benefits in my experience. Not as good as touching the actual earth but still works.

Not to mention if I'm not mistaken it still won't do anything for the magnetic... only the electrical properties in EMF (Electro Magnetic Field).

How bad it would be I don't know.

Just some thoughts...

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never heard of heated tile, but if you're using electricity to do it, it'll have to mean more emf's
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Not sure what other options would be good on a concrete slab. Will be cold in the winter. And the thought of wood on some sort of moisture barrier sitting on a concrete slab doesn't sound good to me. I feel like it's asking for trouble.
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Is cork mold-resistant? I was at an eco-hardward store the other day, and I overheard a saleswoman talking up cork flooring.

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Non-heated tiles, with small rugs (that can be picked up and cleaned) where you want it warmer than straight tile?
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It would be easy to check the emf coming off of one of the radiant heat mats prior to buying.

EMF meters are cheap on amazon.com. Just read the instructions carefully. We didn't realize that you're supposed to turn the thing in all directions and take the highest reading.

Here's the one I have (it has gone up in price).
http://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Fully-Digital-Meter-Resolution/dp/B0015ENO6W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1321678198&sr=8-2

Speaking of high EMF, I tested my sonicare toothbrush and the EMF at the brush head is over 100!

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Tammy, I have in floor heating but it's hot water circulating under wood and tile floors.

My house has been tested from top to bottom for EMFs and the only time much of anything shows up is when we turn on the wireless. That goes down by opening a window.

I don't know how they do it with concrete floors. If it is wiring running under the tiles, might not be so good. Someone will know.

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I've only just started looking into some similar issues. We will probably be pulling up some carpet in the basement, sealing the concrete and then putting down some kind of synthetic flooring.

While I'm no electrical engineer, you've got two issues here: Grounding or EMF exposure. With wires running underneath you with power, I would say it's EMF exposure, not grounding. Hence, not good.

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Thanks for sharing thoughts, friends. If any new ideas, please keep them coming.

I realize there is no perfect solution, so I am trying to pick the lesser of the evils. I am convinced wood would not be smart on concrete (and twice we had a little water come in over the years, but we lifted the carpet and dried it immediately.... wood wouldn't give us that option.) I can't stand chemicals so pergo and linoleum are out (plus I don't like how they look). Area rugs also off-gas (plus will only make it a little less freezing under our feet in winter). Not heating the floor really would be terrible in the winter. We live in this room.

So I'm thinking.... We can have it run during the day when we are up and need warmth. Turn it off at night (as we will with most of our electric; we are meeting with electrician to re-wire the box. We're going to turn off everything at night except heat, hot water and refrigerator.)

Plus, I will only really be heating this floor in the cooler month. It won't be on at all during spring and summer.

I'm still open to ideas. Thanks for your help:)

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You need to disconnect it, not just turn it off. Unless you are turning it off at the breaker box.

Aren't there mold resistant carpet pads or am I dreaming?

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I'm sure there are mold resistant carpet pads, but I have a BIG issue with chemicals. Knocks me out. I'm best in a chemical free environment.

Thanks for the suggestion on the shut off. Will plan to do at the breaker box at night. The electrician is going to think I'm [loco]

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How about cork flooring? I looked into this when we were looking for mold resistant flooring.

Cork is antimicrobial and is resistant to mold and mildew.

Also, Bamboo is a mold resistant.

We decided to refinish our existing wood floors and use a VOC -free poly.

http://www.vermontnaturalcoatings.com/our-products/polywhey-natural-floor-finish/

Hope you find something that works for you!

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A pilates studio I used to work at had cork flooring. It was square tiles of cork. It did not hold up well and warped.

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Good to know, six! I was looking at the tiles, too!
[Eek!]

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http://www.wehliving.org/

Vicky Warren is the founder of this non-profit that is dedicated to educating individuals how to improve the quality of their indoor environments.

She was a speaker at Dr. K.'s seminar in 2009 which I attended on "Lyme Disease and Other Chronic Infections as the Underlying Cause of Chronic Illness". You can contact her at [email protected] Hope she can give you some sound advice.

Take care.

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We have radiant heat flooring and I love it!

Like NanaDubo said, it is just hot water running through tubing under the flooring...not electricity.

Love the feel of heated floors on my feet in the winter!

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I had my heart set on heated stone tile floor, but was always concerned of the EMF idea.

After momlyme's post, just today I said to myself "I am going to look into cork".

Now after Six's post, doesn't sound like it would be a good option (I do appreciate you sharing this). We need something sturdy and lasting.

Ugh.

The water tubing option will not work for us. It's a large family room with a vaulted ceiling in the main section, with an adjacent area that we initially come down the stairs from that has a rather low ceiling (in this smaller area, it's maybe 7'). So raising the floor is not really an option.

Back at square one. Any ideas? I am open.

Another part of me says that maybe the EMFs will not be terrible. It won't be used year round. We don't have a lot of appliances and TVs, no wireless computers or cable, no mircrowave, etc. All clocks will be battery operated. We are reducing EMFs as much as possible. I think of so many people that work in an office all week long with EMFs everywhere. I work 3 days per week where we do have a computer and microwave. But overall, I think my exposure is fairly low (but who knows??). Also, I don't notice feeling any differently when I'm in an EMF environment as opposed to when I'm not. [I'm not undermining the importance of avoidance at all, I'm just talking out loud, just trying to weigh out what will work for us.]

Please keep suggestions coming. Thanks.

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Gigi - Thank you:) I will contact her.
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Thanks Chuck. Will look into this. I've heard Nuheat is the best brand for radiant heating. I will check to see if they have a low EMF option also. Thanks.
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Socks?

What continent do you live in, and are you sure regular ceramic tiles would be too cold?

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Michael, you are so funny. Living in the sunny land, you probably forgot how cold it can be up here in the northeast.

Our laundry room floor is tiled and it is COLD COLD. That would feel miserable in our beautiful family room.

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Please note that even if there is no obvious EMF, the exposure from general wiring penetrates even thick walls. And most walls in this country are not thick, but wrapped in plastic, nor is the wiring protected with copper tubing as it is in many other countries. Iran and Mexico have more stringent building codes than we do.

I just heard from my good Klinghardt therapist friend in the Black Forest where a group of them gathered (100plus) for a week to learn the newest from Dr. K. A group of six stayed together in a guesthouse there and Dr. K. shared the house with them. I was told - no late night reading or reviewing because Dr. K. pulled the fuses to keep the people relaxed and rested and "unwired".

Don't kid yourself - if you are sick - EMF is a much bigger problem than we think.

He is convinced of that: some 13 years ago when I was very ill, he gave me the task to take water bottles posted all around our bed to pick up the frequencies. I succussed them 100 times, marked the location and took them to the office. He determined from that the direction of the underground water vein as it crossed underneath our bed. The line ran straight through my husband's head. He came to our house and moved the kingsize bed to a position where this was no longer the case.

Neurological symptoms go hand in hand with geopathic stress and emf exposures. He has become even more determined that this can either kill or get one well.

He had a patient in Germany, lady who had a brain tumor. He asked her to locate her bed into another room of the house. The tumor cleared. She finally then became pregnant. She used her former bedroom for the child's room. It died within two years of a brain tumor.

Take care.

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I grew up in Buffalo, was back there for a week, just came back this morning. I am reminded from winter visits many years of how cold it can be there. The house I have stayed in does not have tile, but does have a concrete basement. Perhaps that would be similar to tile flooring. I know barefoot on there feels cold sometimes, but with socks I don't remember it being that bad.

Actually, these days, for the last couple years, I walk around the house in flip flops with a thick heel. I have a leg length difference, and so one heel is cut shorter to even off the difference. I was so used to barefoot walking, it was an adjustment, but got used to it. I take them off when sitting down. I remember my mom suggesting the tile flooring we put in would be cold in the winter. This will be our first winter with the tile, so we'll see, haven't been through it yet. But, as I told her, it may affect my wife, but I don't think me so much, as I'm using the flip flops all the time anyway.

Anyway, I truly have no experience on the tile floors in the northeast, but just wanted you to consider some footwear as a possibility, such as socks or whatever. I'm glad you have a laundry room with tile, so at least you can make the decision regarding how that would work in your living room with some good knowledge about what it is really like.

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Ok, we're switching gears....

We found a really nice wood floating floor that can be placed on a slab.

No EMFs for us!!!! [woohoo]

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Tammy,

I did not find floor heat to be very effective at warming a room, unless the room has low ceilings. The 4 place I lived or worked in that had that type of heat still needed another heat source.

EMF will not be reduce much, if at all, just by using concrete and or wood floors. There needs to be at least a foot of earth to really knock the EMFs down, and at the point the heat doesn't get through.

you need to either get the kind which is hot water running under teh floor, or you need to make sure the wiring has been specifically desinged to reduce emfs

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Oh good, Tammy! I am glad you are going with the wood and not the tile! [Big Grin]

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Hi Amanda - we won't be using be using the radiant heating at all. It would have been needed with the tile. But the wood floor won't feel nearly as cold to the touch, so we aren't going to try to heat the floor. And we already have a regular heat source for the room, so I think we'll be good. And, eventually, I may get a nice area rug.

Thanks momlyme:)

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Is this going on concrete slab or on wood subflooring? I ask because if it's slab, you might want to consider engineered flooring. Most manufacturers don't recommend wood on concrete. Go to costco.com and review their info.
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Hi jackie, yes thanks.... It is an engineered wood floor (with real wood on the op layer). And underneath will be a moisture barrier.

Thanks for pointing that out in case I wasn't aware.

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