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I've always believed that anti-parasite drugs and herbs work for us because they kill the Lyme infection a different way than our antibiotics. I've never really believed that true parasites are present in us, at least, not as causing our symptoms.
Here is a new study that supports this theory: a study showing that antiparasite drugs like albendazole and mebendazole actually inhibit bioform formation in BACTERIA. This could explain why these treatments help us.
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The herbal anti-parasiticals did also work on bacteria, but I can assure you, 100%, I had parasites. They were visible when they passed. I'm not saying everyone has parasites, but I sure did.
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Six, perhaps you really did have them, but you mentioned at one time that the parasite herbs "cleared your head." DO you think parasites would cause brain fog? Seems unlikely. I bet the herbs knocked out any remaining biofilms in your brain. Just a guess.
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dan67,
If you really study the damage that parasites can do, you would be shocked. They can migrate to the brain and lay eggs and larva.
After 4 yrs of abx incl 6 mos IV rocephin with not much improvement, I decided to do antiparasitic herbs and salt/c when I found the www.lymephotos.com site and the possibility of the ticks carrying the Filarial Worm co-infection.
After 6 mos of treatment with antiparasitics, I had a mass exodus of EVERYTHING pictured on lymephotos exit into the toilet. I also had roundworms and a tapeworm come out.
I also had clearing from brainfog with the use of these herbs and digestive enzymes. The other factor with oarasites is that they carry and protect bacteria, metals, and fungi in their coats.
Soooo....you can also google brain parasites for more info on these insidious creatures. Six is right on the money.
Gael
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With the quantity of parasites I had, yes, I would think that getting rid of them would clear my head. However, the herbs also hit bartonella, so that could be what cleared in my head.
Nonetheless, getting rid of the parasites was still MAJOR. And I do think it's a possiblity that when you have major parasites like dozens of large roundworms and a huge tapeworm that it's possible that they contributed to ill health overall.
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After going off of Salt and C I went on Kroerger Herbs and Quassia to kill the parasites.
After 2 weeks I added Salt/C back. The salt/C seems to make a big difference. TMI on what is passing but it does not look like anything I ate. I will continue for at least another month now that is working.
All the Best, MattH
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Matt,
Important to stay on herbs and salt/c for maintenance indefinitely. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again.
Some of these parasites are laying over 200,000 eggs a day. Yes, the salt/c is very powerful.
Glad to hear that you are having results.
Lola,
type salt/c into search bar at the top of the page. Tons of info on salt/c. yes i did it on my own. You can also visit lyestrategies for more info.
Gael
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i was wondering if a colonoscopy/endoscopy would reveal the presence of these nasties. My dr. wants me to have this test as i have shed too many pounds the past six months.
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i was wondering if a colonoscopy/endoscopy would reveal the presence of these nasties. My dr. wants me to have this test as i have shed too many pounds the past six months.
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i was wondering if a colonoscopy/endoscopy would reveal the presence of these nasties. My dr. wants me to have this test as i have shed too many pounds the past six months.
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I here you and will maintain my current level. I am up to 2 tablespoons of salt (one morning and one night) and 2 tablespoons of buffered powdered C in 8 ounces of water twice a day.
That and the two other herbs seem to be working. I hope I can tell a story like yours in the near future.
All the Best, MattH
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quote:i was wondering if a colonoscopy/endoscopy would reveal the presence of these nasties. My dr. wants me to have this test as i have shed too many pounds the past six months.
I don't believe these "parasites" are that big can been seen by a colonoscopy/endoscopy. MRI of my GI didn't reveal anything. So the parasites must be microscopic size: protozoa or mycoplasma or fungi, bacteria?
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Matt,
Don't know if you are aware, but i tbsp = 3 tsp. There are approx 5,000mg in a tsp. So if you are doing 2 tbsp a day, you would be doing 30,000 mg a day. That seems pretty high according to what is suggested.
Maybe you are a big guy?? Hope you are drinking plenty of extra water. Hope you see good results soon,
Gael
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The benzimidazoles are a large chemical family used to treat nematode and trematode infections in domestic animals. However, with the widespread development of resistance and the availability of more efficient and easier to administer compounds, their use is rapidly decreasing.
They are characterized by a broad spectrum of activity against roundworms (nematodes), an ovicidal effect, and a wide safety margin. Those of interest are mebendazole, flubendazole, fenbendazole, oxfendazole, oxibendazole, albendazole, albendazole sulfoxide, thiabendazole, thiophanate, febantel, netobimin, and triclabendazole.
Netobimin, albendazole, and triclabendazole are also active against liver flukes; however, unlike all the other benzimidazoles, triclabendazole has no activity against roundworms.
Because most benzimidazoles are sparingly soluble in water, they are given PO as a suspension, paste, or bolus. Differences in the rate and extent of absorption from the GI tract depend on such factors as species, dosage, formulation, solubility, and operation of the esophageal groove reflex.
The most effective of the group are those with the longest half-life, such as oxfendazole, fenbendazole, albendazole, and their prodrugs, because they are not rapidly metabolized to inactive products. Effective concentrations are maintained for an extended period in the plasma and gut, which increases efficacy against immature and arrested larvae and adult nematodes, including lungworms.
They are more effective in ruminants and horses, in which their rate of passage is slowed by the rumen or cecum. Because the nature of their antiparasitic action depends on prolongation of contact time, repeated (2-3 times) PO administration of a full dose at 12-hr intervals increases their efficacy, even against benzimidazole-resistant worms. In addition, a reduced feed intake, which reduces the flow rate of digesta, increases the availability of benzimidazoles.
In the case of oxfendazole, and probably other benzimidazoles, the major route of exposure is biliary metabolites, followed by enterohepatic recycling of the drug after absorption from the small and large intestine. Worms in the mucosa of the small intestine may be exposed to more recycled anthelmintic than to drug contained in the passing ingesta in the GI tract.
Ruminants: In ruminants, PO treatment with the benzimidazoles removes most of the major adult GI parasites and many of the larval stages. The relative rates of oxidation in the liver and reduction in the GI tract vary between cattle and sheep, with the metabolism and excretion of benzimidazole compounds being more extensive in cattle than in sheep.
Consequently, the systemic anthelmintic activity of most benzimidazoles is greater in sheep than in cattle, and dose rates in cattle are often higher than those in sheep. Albendazole, fenbendazole, oxfendazole, and febantel are active against inhibited fourth-stage larvae of Ostertagia spp ; however, inconsistent efficacy has been reported.
Efficacy against Dictyocaulus viviparus has also been noted for these insoluble benzimidazoles. Oxfendazole, albendazole, and febantel are minimally teratogenic in sheep, whereas fenbendazole, mebendazole, and oxibendazole are not.
An oxfendazole pulse-release bolus for intraruminal use has been developed for cattle�5 therapeutic doses of oxfendazole (750 or 1,250 mg/tablet) are released approximately each 3 wk in the rumen. A sustained-release fenbendazole bolus is also available in some countries; it contains 12 g fenbendazole and has a release profile of 140 days.
An albendazole slow-release capsule has been marketed for small ruminants. This device contains 3.85 g of albendazole and delivers a daily dose of 36.7 mg for 105 days. It is an efficient device for controlling benzimidazole-susceptible nematodes.
It may also prevent infection with benzimidazole-resistant larvae, but does not reduce existing infections.
In cattle and sheep, triclabendazole at 10 mg/kg, PO, is highly effective against immature Fasciola hepatica in the liver parenchyma and against the mature stage in the bile ducts. Albendazole and netobimin at 20 mg/kg are active against mature F hepatica ; the other benzimidazoles and probenzimidazoles used for nematode control have only a marginal efficacy against liver flukes.
Because of the lack of efficacy against the immature stages, most benzimidazoles are not indicated for treatment of acute fascioliosis.
Horses: In horses, the benzimidazoles are characterized by effective removal (90-100%) of almost all mature strongyles, but third- and fourth-stage larvae are more difficult to eliminate. High levels and repeated administration may be necessary for extraintestinal migrating stages of large strongyles and for small-strongyle larvae embedded or encysted in the wall of the intestine.
However, widespread resistance to benzimidazoles in cyathostome nematodes of horses limits their usage. Repeated doses are thought to be advantageous because the lethal effect of benzimidazoles is a slow process�hence, their recent incorporation into feed supplements.
Ascarid removal in horses varies with various members of the benzimidazole group. Activity against Strongyloides westeri varies also, but Oxyuris equi is usually removed by any of the benzimidazoles at the recommended dose.
Swine: Benzimidazoles (eg, fenbendazole, flubendazole) show high efficacy against both adult and immature stages of Ascaris suum . Benzimidazoles are also highly effective against most other swine nematodes. Resistance to benzimidazoles has been reported only on a limited scale (Denmark) in Oesophagostomum spp .
Dogs and Cats: In dogs and cats, mebendazole, fenbendazole, febantel, and flubendazole are used for treatment of roundworms, hookworms, and tapeworms. However, treatment must be given bid for 3 days. Fenbendazole has been used in a divided dose regimen in *****es against tissue-dwelling larvae of Toxocara canis and Ancylostoma caninum ; daily administration of 50 mg/kg to *****es from day 40 of pregnancy through day 14 after parturition resulted in pups free of both parasites, although this has limited application in practice.
Birds: Mebendazole, flubendazole, and fenbendazole can be used effectively against nematodes of the GI and respiratory tracts of birds.
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This may be why combining ivermectin with albendazole may be effective. I posted about this in another thread.
The parasites also may benefit from the biofilm. It seems that some feel there is a synergistic effect of combining albendazole with ivermectin.
Whether it's to get at the Lyme spirochetes or kill other parasites - seems worth doing in some cases.
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My endoscopy and colonoscopy totally missed my enormous tapeworm and about 30 10-15 inch roundworms. I think they hang out in the small intestine, so it's missed by both procedures.
Stool testing also missed them.
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I worked up to the amount above. I am not really big but have been told I have an iron stomach. Salt/C was not doing much on the lower doses. Note I am only doing it twice a day. It is hard to take at work because of the need to be near the bathroom!
But it is working and with my UV Blood treatments and the ABX I feel like I am just starting to improve. We will see but I will keep up the Salt/C and let you know.
I must say when I first read about it when I was new to the board, I thought this sounds really strange and these people are weird. So obviously I am weird enough to join the club now!
All the Best, MattH
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Matt,
Glad to hear that it is working for you. I found that it worked better for me at the higher doses also.
I worked my way up to 4tsp a day. Now I do 3 tsp a day, and sip it through the day. Keep us posted on your progress.
Regards from one of the "Strange people"
Gael
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I'm thinking about trying this Salt & C protocol. How long does it take before you notice improvement?
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I've heard Mabendazole is the one you want and that Albendazole is just newer so they try to push that on people.
The curezoner's swear by Mabendazole
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Mebendazole isn't available in the USA anymore but I got some through a canadian pharm.
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So it's been okay for those of you who took it with abx (thinking of doing this)? How much C can I take (currently taking 2500 in pill form). And is pill form okay?
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